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I would like to attempt to expand a little further on an excellent point another poster made elsewhere: that being that this 2022 TDF route may disadvantage Pog compared to Rog for one main reason: the hardest days come soon after rest days.

It isn't just third week (PDBF obviously, but also final week of 2019 Vuelta) Pog that shows his remarkable abilities concerning recuperation, but towards the end of the other weeks too: Perysourde and Romme both came late in week one.

When Rog took time out of Pog on stage 17 of the 2020 Tour, that was only 2 days after the rest day. PDBF was another 3 days later. History shows that Pog clearly does his most damage after the most days of consecutive racing.

But look at the 2022 route. The hardest stages all come soon after a rest day (well, except for the stage 20 ITT....and ironically the stage to PDBF), which I think suits Rog in comparison (not necessarily making him the favourite, but giving him an improved chance).
 
I would like to attempt to expand a little further on an excellent point another poster made elsewhere: that being that this 2022 TDF route may disadvantage Pog compared to Rog for one main reason: the hardest days come soon after rest days.

It isn't just third week (PDBF obviously, but also final week of 2019 Vuelta) Pog that shows his remarkable abilities concerning recuperation, but towards the end of the other weeks too: Perysourde and Romme both came late in week one.

When Rog took time out of Pog on stage 17 of the 2020 Tour, that was only 2 days after the rest day. PDBF was another 3 days later. History shows that Pog clearly does his most damage after the most days of consecutive racing.

But look at the 2022 route. The hardest stages all come soon after a rest day (well, except for the stage 20 ITT....and ironically the stage to PDBF), which I think suits Rog in comparison (not necessarily making him the favourite, but giving him an improved chance).
I agree. But tbh between Rog and Pog their qualities are very similar on one hand yet you also expect the attrition to simply favor Pog.

Similarly, cobbles should favor Pog howevr Rog has the stronger team for them, although cobbles will always have a high degree of variance in them.
 
I agree. But tbh between Rog and Pog their qualities are very similar on one hand yet you also expect the attrition to simply favor Pog.

Similarly, cobbles should favor Pog howevr Rog has the stronger team for them, although cobbles will always have a high degree of variance in them.
In the 2018 Tour, Roglic finished the cobbled Roubaix stage in the main group of favorites (there were 21km of cobbles in that stage). So he has the experience as well as the team.

I think if there's a difference between them next year in the cobbled stage, it'll mostly be a matter of luck (or as a result of a particular team blowing the race apart & one of them getting dropped for xyz reasons). But I don't think either one will be more at a disadvantage than the other (in fact Roglic's team looks much more suited for cobbles, with both WvA & Teunissen being specialists & someone like Laporte who they could take as well).
 
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In the 2018 Tour, Roglic finished the cobbled Roubaix stage in the main group of favorites (there were 21km of cobbles in that stage). So he has the experience as well as the team.

I think if there's a difference between them next year in the cobbled stage, it'll mostly be a matter of luck (or as a result of a particular team blowing the race apart & one of them getting dropped for xyz reasons). But I don't think either one will be more at a disadvantage than the other (in fact Roglic's team looks much more suited for cobbles, with both WvA & Teunissen being specialists & someone like Laporte who they could take as well).
I disagree. Pog used to race cyclocross and is a better bike handler then Roglic. I can see Pog jumping on MvdP's wheel and riding away for glory. He will also work with MvdP to gain time on the chasers.
 
So it was just based on nothing?
I was not the only only in this forum speculating that the route would be tailored for Ewan - There has also been similar speculation in the Australian cycling community about a flattish route - After all this forum always contains an element of speculation - You only have to read the TDF route rumours thread as an example - Anyway lets see if a hillier route comes to fruition, which should lead to a better field and hopefully an exciting race - You can thank me later if my information is correct.
 
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I was not the only only in this forum speculating that the route would be tailored for Ewan - There has also been similar speculation in the Australian cycling community about a flattish route - Lets see if the route of a hillier variety comes to fruition, which should lead to a better field and hopefully an exciting race - You can thank me later if my information is correct.
I will.

Honestly, I don't remember if it was you specifically who said they would tailor it to Ewan's characteristics, I just remember it was mentioned.
 
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Re 2022 Worlds


it's in French, so pick a translating service of your choice, I guess.

Putting together all the comments, it seems like it may be an easier Geelong in terms of difficulty
 
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Re 2022 Worlds


it's in French, so pick a translating service of your choice, I guess.
I'll save people the bother & just handpick this part:

Le président de l’UCI David Lappartient imagine un scénario à la Geelong, théâtre du Mondial 2010 où Thor Hushovd s'était imposé. “Je pense qu'on ne devrait pas être loin de ce scénario avec sans doute plus de monde", dit le Breton alors qu’une vingtaine de coureurs étaient arrivés pour la victoire.
i.e. similar scenario to the 2010 worlds is predicted, with even more riders present for the sprint finish. And also mentioned in the article is the fact it's apparently a lot easier than the recent route in Flanders.

And the Australians believe it's a good route for Caleb Ewan or Michael Matthews. So no threepeat for Alaphilippe (unless he pulls a miracle attack out of a hat, but it's highly unlikely), and because this is Pogacar's thread, I'll assume he won't even make the trip down there to Australia because there's literally no point.
 

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