Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Tonton]

You only can choose one. For me, it's Vingegaard.

Seixas .

 

[Tonton]

Unless something very weird happens, Teddy will make it 5 TdF wins.

At this point for him, it's also about records, some that he can break, some that he can put out of reach like Eddy's 7 MSR. None would be sweeter than RRWC. GDL is the obvious.

 

[yaco]

I thought he would have more days at altitudee. It would be two weeks at most. Last year he was also there after Dauphiné, this year he will have fewer days after TDS.
I read on X that Del Toro was going on May 15th.

Too much obsession with altitude. Pogacar traditionally does less altitude than his rivals which works for him.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think it wasn't close but could have been way worse. The TdF went perfectly well for Visma and Vingegaard. Almeida crashed out before the mountains, Pogacar crashed before the mountains, hurt his knee at the top of Ventoux. Vingegaard still wasn't close. What could Pogacar do to Vingegaard if he had a perfect race like 2024? Probably a gap of 6'-7' like 2024.

Considering the circumstances, Vingo during the last Tour was less consistent and weaker than in 2024 (when he had a big setback). Vingo has to hope his level will be higher and more consistent this July (than last year) and that bulked-up Pogi will have some difficulties with reaching optimal mass & shape this year.

 

[vappa]

Too much obsession with altitude. Pogacar traditionally does less altitude than his rivals which works for him.

Exactly, riders can use altitude tents at home anyway

 

[Gigs_98]

To be fair with Roglic, he's the only rider who have won a GT, Monument and one-week stage race beating Pogi. Yes, it was ages ago, but it's still something no other rider has done.

I hate this point so much. It is of course true but it doesn't mean anything. Just because you can find a set of races in which only rider x has beaten Pogacar that doesn't make rider x a great rival of his. Dorian Godon is the only rider to have beaten Pogacar in a road stage this year. Does that make him Pogacars biggest rival of 2026? Obviously not, the context of that race matters. Now just framing the three races as "a GT, a monument and a one week stage race" makes it sound very impressive but there is a reason these races are only described like this and not mentioned in name. Because if we were talking about the actual three races mentioned here, nobody would be impressed anymore.

Now PV 2021 was kind of an impressive win, even though there are still caveats like Pogacar babysitting McNulty. But then it is also a very long time ago, three years before Pogacar hit his peak and let's also not pretend we all care about one week stage races so much.

The Vuelta 2019 is also a good win, but framing Roglic beating a 20 y.o. neopro as proof od their fierce rivalry sounds almost embarassing for Roglic. Yeah he beat him, if not for an incredible stage 20 solo so would have Valverde, Quintana and Miguel Angel Lopez. Are they big rivals of Pogacar?

And then finally there is LBL 2020 which is almost as long ago and hence almost as irrelevant by the same reason as above. But then there is the additional factor that Roglic won the sprint for that race because Alaphilippe literally took out Hirschi and Pogacar before celebrating too early to let Roglic through. Nobody, even at the time when it happened, saw that race and thought Roglic had struck back against Pogacar. They saw it for what it was, an incredibly lucky ein against superior opponents. There is nothing wrong with that, but those sort of wins are not the ones fuelling a rivalry.

You cannot just make statements without context, come to ridiculous conclusions based on these statements and then be angry when people don't take you seriously. Did you know that until Froome in 2013 the only rider to win a GT against Contador was Armstrong in 2005? Does this mean Armstrong was the biggest rival of Contadors early career, much more so than Schleck who could never beat him? I will let people be the judge of that themselves.

 

[AmRacer]

I hate this point so much. It is of course true but it doesn't mean anything. Just because you can find a set of races in which only rider x has beaten Pogacar that doesn't make rider x a great rival of his. Dorian Godon is the only rider to have beaten Pogacar in a road stage this year. Does that make him Pogacars biggest rival of 2026? Obviously not, the context of that race matters. Now just framing the three races as "a GT, a monument and a one week stage race" makes it sound very impressive but there is a reason these races are only described like this and not mentioned in name. Because if we were talking about the actual three races mentioned here, nobody would be impressed anymore.

Now PV 2021 was kind of an impressive win, even though there are still caveats like Pogacar babysitting McNulty. But then it is also a very long time ago, three years before Pogacar hit his peak and let's also not pretend we all care about one week stage races so much.

The Vuelta 2019 is also a good win, but framing Roglic beating a 20 y.o. neopro as proof od their fierce rivalry sounds almost embarassing for Roglic. Yeah he beat him, if not for an incredible stage 20 solo so would have Valverde, Quintana and Miguel Angel Lopez. Are they big rivals of Pogacar?

And then finally there is LBL 2020 which is almost as long ago and hence almost as irrelevant by the same reason as above. But then there is the additional factor that Roglic won the sprint for that race because Alaphilippe literally took out Hirschi and Pogacar before celebrating too early to let Roglic through. Nobody, even at the time when it happened, saw that race and thought Roglic had struck back against Pogacar. They saw it for what it was, an incredibly lucky ein against superior opponents. There is nothing wrong with that, but those sort of wins are not the ones fuelling a rivalry.

You cannot just make statements without context, come to ridiculous conclusions based on these statements and then be angry when people don't take you seriously. Did you know that until Froome in 2013 the only rider to win a GT against Contador was Armstrong in 2005? Does this mean Armstrong was the biggest rival of Contadors early career, much more so than Schleck who could never beat him? I will let people be the judge of that themselves.

Like I said, it was ages ago.

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

That Liège has an asterisk because of Alaphilippe's movement . He was disqualified for it.
Ironically, Roglic would have finished fourth without that action.

Itzulia can't even be considered a confrontation. Inexplicably, UAE decided that Pogacar would be McNulty's domestique 🤣 .
One of those team decisions that seem absurd in retrospect. It already seemed absurd back then. McNulty hadn't won anything significant. The first example of the team's poor management of egos. They had to put a Tour winner in the role of a domestique's helper and essentially hand over a race.

 

[Red Rick]

I hate this point so much. It is of course true but it doesn't mean anything. Just because you can find a set of races in which only rider x has beaten Pogacar that doesn't make rider x a great rival of his. Dorian Godon is the only rider to have beaten Pogacar in a road stage this year. Does that make him Pogacars biggest rival of 2026? Obviously not, the context of that race matters. Now just framing the three races as "a GT, a monument and a one week stage race" makes it sound very impressive but there is a reason these races are only described like this and not mentioned in name. Because if we were talking about the actual three races mentioned here, nobody would be impressed anymore.

Now PV 2021 was kind of an impressive win, even though there are still caveats like Pogacar babysitting McNulty. But then it is also a very long time ago, three years before Pogacar hit his peak and let's also not pretend we all care about one week stage races so much.

The Vuelta 2019 is also a good win, but framing Roglic beating a 20 y.o. neopro as proof od their fierce rivalry sounds almost embarassing for Roglic. Yeah he beat him, if not for an incredible stage 20 solo so would have Valverde, Quintana and Miguel Angel Lopez. Are they big rivals of Pogacar?

And then finally there is LBL 2020 which is almost as long ago and hence almost as irrelevant by the same reason as above. But then there is the additional factor that Roglic won the sprint for that race because Alaphilippe literally took out Hirschi and Pogacar before celebrating too early to let Roglic through. Nobody, even at the time when it happened, saw that race and thought Roglic had struck back against Pogacar. They saw it for what it was, an incredibly lucky ein against superior opponents. There is nothing wrong with that, but those sort of wins are not the ones fuelling a rivalry.

You cannot just make statements without context, come to ridiculous conclusions based on these statements and then be angry when people don't take you seriously. Did you know that until Froome in 2013 the only rider to win a GT against Contador was Armstrong in 2005? Does this mean Armstrong was the biggest rival of Contadors early career, much more so than Schleck who could never beat him? I will let people be the judge of that themselves.

Treating careers and levels as static is where it just goes stupid. Roglic was Pogacar's greatest rival from 2019 to 2021 and since 2022 it has been Vingegaard.

 

[canina82]

I hate this point so much. It is of course true but it doesn't mean anything. Just because you can find a set of races in which only rider x has beaten Pogacar that doesn't make rider x a great rival of his. Dorian Godon is the only rider to have beaten Pogacar in a road stage this year. Does that make him Pogacars biggest rival of 2026? Obviously not, the context of that race matters. Now just framing the three races as "a GT, a monument and a one week stage race" makes it sound very impressive but there is a reason these races are only described like this and not mentioned in name. Because if we were talking about the actual three races mentioned here, nobody would be impressed anymore.

Now PV 2021 was kind of an impressive win, even though there are still caveats like Pogacar babysitting McNulty. But then it is also a very long time ago, three years before Pogacar hit his peak and let's also not pretend we all care about one week stage races so much.

The Vuelta 2019 is also a good win, but framing Roglic beating a 20 y.o. neopro as proof od their fierce rivalry sounds almost embarassing for Roglic. Yeah he beat him, if not for an incredible stage 20 solo so would have Valverde, Quintana and Miguel Angel Lopez. Are they big rivals of Pogacar?

And then finally there is LBL 2020 which is almost as long ago and hence almost as irrelevant by the same reason as above. But then there is the additional factor that Roglic won the sprint for that race because Alaphilippe literally took out Hirschi and Pogacar before celebrating too early to let Roglic through. Nobody, even at the time when it happened, saw that race and thought Roglic had struck back against Pogacar. They saw it for what it was, an incredibly lucky ein against superior opponents. There is nothing wrong with that, but those sort of wins are not the ones fuelling a rivalry.

You cannot just make statements without context, come to ridiculous conclusions based on these statements and then be angry when people don't take you seriously. Did you know that until Froome in 2013 the only rider to win a GT against Contador was Armstrong in 2005? Does this mean Armstrong was the biggest rival of Contadors early career, much more so than Schleck who could never beat him? I will let people be the judge of that themselves.

Yeah, 2020 LBL is a big asterisk for example. Bala Junior gave the win to Roglic.

 

[BahamontesPhantom]

Vingegaard is being counted out too easily here. Pog is fat this year m, it’s possible Jonas can beat him

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

Vingegaard is being counted out too easily here. Pog is fat this year m, it’s possible Jonas can beat him

I think you know very well what it means to undervalue someone.

 

[rafa92]

https://www.domestiquecycling.com/e...e-countdown-with-sierra-nevada-altitude-camp/
pogacar starts altitude camp in sierra nevada today

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

https://www.domestiquecycling.com/e...e-countdown-with-sierra-nevada-altitude-camp/
pogacar starts altitude camp in sierra nevada today

That's what I read about Del Toro. May 15th, not 25th.

I thought he would have more days at altitudee. It would be two weeks at most. Last year he was also there after Dauphiné, this year he will have fewer days after TDS.
I read on X that Del Toro was going on May 15th.

 

[canina82]

https://www.domestiquecycling.com/e...e-countdown-with-sierra-nevada-altitude-camp/
pogacar starts altitude camp in sierra nevada today

A shame Mou was already banned. He said the training camp would start on May 25th.

 

[canina82]

He will come back on June 2nd. Or will he spend more time at altitude this time?

 

[AmRacer]

Tadej watching Jonas on telly, 'Maybe I could have another week off 🤔"

 

[No Excuses]

Tadej watching Jonas at telly, 'Maybe I could have another week off 🤔"

Yeah, that was not very impressive

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

Tadej watching Jonas at telly, 'Maybe I could have another week off 🤔"

Then he saw Felix Gall and remembered Seixas

 

[Tim Cahill]

I'd be worried about Decathlon's second best climber looking like Marco Pantani and the 32 year old rouler being there with 10 riders.

Seixas started his altitude camp 12th of May.

 

[Rou]

Then he saw Felix Gall and remembered Seixas

Seixas is the motivation but remember that this race is a training ride for Jonas. He is probably not even at optimal July weight.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yeah, that was not very impressive

Vingo wasn't bad either. Let's remember that Pogi wasn't impressive in Romandie and has a lot of work to do to achieve his GT shape.

 

[Red Rick]

The point of comparison should be Oropa/Prati di Tivo - which had Pogacar put a grand 30s or whatever into Dani Felipe Martinez of all people

 

[saunaking]

That Liège has an asterisk because of Alaphilippe's movement . He was disqualified for it.
Ironically, Roglic would have finished fourth without that action.

Itzulia can't even be considered a confrontation. Inexplicably, UAE decided that Pogacar would be McNulty's domestique 🤣 .
One of those team decisions that seem absurd in retrospect. It already seemed absurd back then. McNulty hadn't won anything significant. The first example of the team's poor management of egos. They had to put a Tour winner in the role of a domestique's helper and essentially hand over a race.

Oh please, why can't Itzulia be considered?
Because Pog did a *** time trial and took himself out on stage 1?

He lost that race cuz he wasnt the strongest nor smartest

 

[rafa92]

looking at the watts this was a pretty good performance by vingegaard considering it's week one of the giro and his goal is to peak in july. Gall today outperformed