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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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It’s kind of ludicrous how far superior he is to the rest of this GC field that every time he has attacked on an actual mountain he has immediately opened a gap that was never closed.

If Martínez has an off day tomorrow or Grappa on Saturday then Pogi will win by 10 minutes without even needing to put in another real effort.
He is the GOAT, so he makes it look easy but there is a lot of hard work behind it. Make no mistake.
 
It’s kind of ludicrous how far superior he is to the rest of this GC field that every time he has attacked on an actual mountain he has immediately opened a gap that was never closed.

If Martínez has an off day tomorrow or Grappa on Saturday then Pogi will win by 10 minutes without even needing to put in another real effort.
Martinez doesn't need to have an off day. If Pogacar wants, he will put 3 minutes on Grappa. Martinez will just follow Thomas.
 
Will he ride the ORR ? The parcours suits him better than MSR and dare I say almost as well as the WRR. He may be a bit tired by then though.
Yes. But no, the ORR route doesn't suit him as much as the WCRR route. It's pretty much one cobbled climb to Montmartre that will decide the race and it's only around 1 km long at around 6%. That's too short for Pog to get MVDP in trouble, imo.

I think his best chance of winning is attacking with Remco from afar and getting a gap to the others. Then hope that the limited domestiques per nation will make it hard to catch them. Then outsprint Remco to the line.
 
We all know Slovenia's team for the ORR will most probably be Pogacar, Roglic, Mohoric, and Tratnik, even if the course doesn't really suit Roglic, and Pogacar as the main leader.
Roglič isn't doing the Olympics. Pogačar is also on the fence. Mohorič and Tratnik both said they are going to be there. Mezgec also would like to go. This leaves only 1 spot open. If Pog wants to go it's his. Otherwise it's between Govekar and Novak. Also it's already confirmed that Tratnik is doing the OG ITT.
E: Just checked, Slovenia has 5 spots for OG. So Both Novak and Govekar should be in. But there's also Glivar. We will see who Murn picks.
 
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How about you don't immediately feel attacked when someone disagrees with you? Keep it about the topic, instead of making it personal.

I'm just saying that as long as you don't have the palmares, you can't be called the GOAT. Not to mention this GOAT wasn't even able to win the TDF the past 2 years. Maybe start with winning that this year, and thus the double, before even being remotely mentioned in the same sentence as Merckx.


Because they didn't have someone like Merckx before him.
I didn't. But I'm demanding with the arguments presented. Namely when you make ludicrous counter examples like winning junior racings or distancing MVDP in RVV by merely 16s. That's a bit insulting when one is trying to argue.

Again: when anyone (like me) calls Pogacar a GOAT it doesn't mean he is actually the GOAT, but a statement about 1) his potential as given by his current palmares to 2) actually be the GOAT in the near future. You can attribute the GOAT status to anyone rider but if his palmares doesn't back it, your belief is not well grounded.

So of course "Pogacar is the GOAT" is a statement about future prospects that can thus prove to be false, either because:
1) he's not actually GOAT material
2) because someone better came along
3) he will have an accident
4) he will be unlucky
5 he will begin to fade.
 
Roglič isn't doing the Olympics. Pogačar is also on the fence. Mohorič and Tratnik both said they are going to be there. Mezgec also would like to go. This leaves only 1 spot open. If Pog wants to go it's his. Otherwise it's between Govekar and Novak. Also it's already confirmed that Tratnik is doing the OG ITT.
E: Just checked, Slovenia has 5 spots for OG. So Both Novak and Govekar should be in. But there's also Glivar. We will see who Murn picks.
Oh really? Must've missed the news where Roglic said he's not doing Olympics. Unless Pog is too tired after Giro-Tour, I think he's certain to go.
 
Again: when anyone (like me) calls Pogacar a GOAT it doesn't mean he is actually the GOAT, but a statement about 1) his potential as given by his current palmares to 2) actually be the GOAT in the near future. You can attribute the GOAT status to anyone rider but if his palmares doesn't back it, your belief is not well grounded.

So of course "Pogacar is the GOAT" is a statement about future prospects that can thus prove to be false, either because:
1) he's not actually GOAT material
2) because someone better came along
3) he will have an accident
4) he will be unlucky
5 he will begin to fade.
That is your definition of GOAT. Mine is that there can only be 1 GOAT, and you earn that by being the greatest of all time. Not in a couple of years, just from the beginning of time to now. Pogacar is currently having an amazing season, and is still not close to the best seasons of Merckx. If he indeed wins the TDF and WC, and Lombardia, one could say it's one of the best seasons ever. But that's a bit premature.
 
Oh really? Must've missed the news where Roglic said he's not doing Olympics. Unless Pog is too tired after Giro-Tour, I think he's certain to go.
It comes from the inverview that head coach Uroš Murn did back in March. He spoke about the goals for this season and explained that WCH is their main target not the OG. He also said that Roglič will not defend his gold from Tokyo and Tratnik will replace him. There were questions about why Pogačar won't race the ITT and he said that it's too soon after the Tour from him to be competitive on that parkour. He also said that WCH will have the strongest team, likely with both Pog and Rog. Pog is a guarantee, Roglič is not sure, depending on what he does in the Tour. Here's a link to one of the articles in slovene.
 
That is your definition of GOAT. Mine is that there can only be 1 GOAT, and you earn that by being the greatest of all time. Not in a couple of years, just from the beginning of time to now. Pogacar is currently having an amazing season, and is still not close to the best seasons of Merckx. If he indeed wins the TDF and WC, and Lombardia, one could say it's one of the best seasons ever. But that's a bit premature.
Doesn't the discussion about GOATs has a bearing on the very criteria for defining what a GOAT is?

Certainly we all agree that in Merckx's time it was possible for an all-rounder to win flat sprints. Not anymore.

Just like when you compare different decades for economic prosperity, you have to adjust to inflation in order to assess when did you have more purchasing power.
 
Doesn't the discussion about GOATs has a bearing on the very criteria for defining what a GOAT is?

Certainly we all agree that in Merckx's time it was possible for an all-rounder to win flat sprints. Not anymore.

Just like when you compare different decades for economic prosperity, you have to adjust to inflation in order to assess when did you have more purchasing power.
If we are discrediting other times because the game changed then it's easier to just say both of them were the best of their generation.