• The Cycling News forum is still looking to add volunteer moderators with. If you're interested in helping keep our discussions on track, send a direct message to @SHaines here on the forum, or use the Contact Us form to message the Community Team.

    In the meanwhile, please use the Report option if you see a post that doesn't fit within the forum rules.

    Thanks!

Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

Page 774 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
3,643
5,697
12,180
Visit site
stekelegel said:
The best Vingo for me was the TDF 2023 ITT Passy to Combloux. I even wonder if this years Pog would have bettered him that day. When Vingo cracks up his 2024 level next year, he could make Pog spend a lot more energy trying to distance him, for at best marginal gains. And then strike in an ITT or on the 1 bad day every rider has over the 3 weeks. Next year will tell.

I wonder if Remco keeping open his options (I want to win Giro or Tour, waiting on the route) might lead to Gouvenou including just a bit more ITT km, to ensure the big 3 all all present in 2025. Not that I think Vingo is better then Pog at an ITT, I just think that it is unlikely that Pog wil have another Granon or Loze moment the next years. So if you are looking to beat teddy, follow him in the mountains, and strike in the ITT.
Click to expand...
Remco should try the Giro next year. I think he is losing a golden opportunity to win there. He will not win the Tour unless Pogi and Vingo aren't there.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
3,643
5,697
12,180
Visit site
Peter von said:
And then Pogi decides the Giro-Tour double worked so well that he'll do it again :sweatsmile: .

IMO Remco is way too good not to try for the Tour!
Click to expand...
He is way too good to just have a chance of getting a podium in the Tour. He already said he will do the Tour but he has unfinished business in the Giro and next year is the perfect opportunity for him. Pogacar will not do the Giro, he will try to win Tour-Vuelta.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan and xo 1
Red Rick

Red Rick

Feb 20, 2012
50,929
39,191
28,180
Visit site
Peyroteo94 said:
Your predictions have been spot on since the Giro but I can't agree with you, Pogacar wasn't even racing full gas in the Giro, Remco would never compete against Pogacar even if he showed with Giro legs.
Click to expand...
He wasn't going full gas most of the time, but he did a few times I think. To me it makes no sense to assume he was half assing on Foscagno.

If Evenepoel had been there, Pogacar would have had to push a lot harder to win that Giro
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cookster15
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
3,643
5,697
12,180
Visit site
Red Rick said:
He wasn't going full gas most of the time, but he did a few times I think. To me it makes no sense to assume he was half assing on Foscagno.

If Evenepoel had been there, Pogacar would have had to push a lot harder to win that Giro
Click to expand...
You are overestimating Remco's ability. He was losing more than a minute and half (mean) consistently to Pogacar in the high mountains (I counted stages 14, 15, 19, 20). If Pogacar was going hard, probably the mean would be like 2 minutes. Remco was very good to his own standards but he is too far from Pogacar and I don't believe Giro's Pogacar is way worse than Tour's Pogacar. Of course Pogacar would need to go deeper but he would win easily, maybe not by 10 minutes but a 3/4 minutes gap is a sure thing to me.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
Red Rick

Red Rick

Feb 20, 2012
50,929
39,191
28,180
Visit site
Peyroteo94 said:
You are overestimating Remco's ability. He was losing more than a minute and half (mean) consistently to Pogacar in the high mountains (I counted stages 14, 15, 19, 20). If Pogacar was going hard, probably the mean would be like 2 minutes. Remco was very good to his own standards but he is too far from Pogacar and I don't believe Giro's Pogacar is way worse than Tour's Pogacar. Of course Pogacar would need to go deeper but he would win easily, maybe not by 10 minutes but a 3/4 minutes gap is a sure thing to me.
Click to expand...
Evenepoel finished ~10 minutes ahead of Almeida. Pogacar 10 minutes ahead of Dani Martinez. Your pick really.

I'm not generally one for losing my *** at W/kg estimates, but the Tour was like a completely different timeline compared to the Giro
 
P

Peter von

Aug 23, 2012
784
682
12,180
Visit site
Peyroteo94 said:
He is way too good to just have a chance of getting a podium in the Tour. He already said he will do the Tour but he has unfinished business in the Giro and next year is the perfect opportunity for him. Pogacar will not do the Giro, he will try to win Tour-Vuelta.
Click to expand...
If he is way too good to just have a chance of getting a podium at the Tour, then he has a chance, albeit slim, of winning.

And then what if Pogi does Giro again after all?
Remco just going to drop out and focus on Cro Race?
 
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
3,643
5,697
12,180
Visit site
Red Rick said:
Evenepoel finished ~10 minutes ahead of Almeida. Pogacar 10 minutes ahead of Dani Martinez. Your pick really.

I'm not generally one for losing my *** at W/kg estimates, but the Tour was like a completely different timeline compared to the Giro
Click to expand...
You can't compare those 10 minutes for 2 reasons and I think you will agree with me.
1: Giro was a lot easier compared to the Tour (route and how was raced)
2: Pogacar gained 10 minutes on Martinez but he could gain 15 if he wanted. We can't say the same about Remco.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
3,643
5,697
12,180
Visit site
Peter von said:
If he is way too good to just have a chance of getting a podium at the Tour, then he has a chance, albeit slim, of winning.

And then what if Pogi does Giro again after all?
Remco just going to drop out and focus on Cro Race?
Click to expand...
Everyone has a slim chance of winning the Tour. Remco would need a scenario like 2014 Nibali to win the Tour. I don't think it will happen because Vingo and Pogacar are better bike handlers than Remco.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
P

Peter von

Aug 23, 2012
784
682
12,180
Visit site
Peyroteo94 said:
Everyone has a slim chance of winning the Tour. Remco would need a scenario like 2014 Nibali to win the Tour. I don't think it will happen because Vingo and Pogacar are better bike handlers than Remco.
Click to expand...
Doing the peak of his life and then making his competitors so dizzy in week 1 that they crash out before the proper GC days even start?

Yes please! :cool:

well actually no please to crashes!

Remco IMO is too young and too good to stop believing he can improve and catch up. Elite athletes as good as Remco can't go around accepting there is no hope, imagine if Italy didn't bother go to Euro 2020 just because Spain and Germany were probably better on paper!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Berniece
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
3,643
5,697
12,180
Visit site
scribers said:
Remco is quite strong mentally coming back the way he did after exiting the giro ‘23, cracking at the vuelta, and that nasty crash at basque.
Click to expand...
Every champion is strong mentally, Remco, Pogacar, Vingegaard, etc. They are so successful because they are tough as nails. However despite being young and having room to improve, he won't close the gap to Pogacar or Vingegaard. The gap is too big and he is not a natural climber when we compare with those 2 mutants
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
3,643
5,697
12,180
Visit site
Peter von said:
Doing the peak of his life and then making his competitors so dizzy in week 1 that they crash out before the proper GC days even start?

Yes please! :cool:

well actually no please to crashes!

Remco IMO is too young and too good to stop believing he can improve and catch up. Elite athletes as good as Remco can't go around accepting there is no hope, imagine if Italy didn't bother go to Euro 2020 just because Spain and Germany were probably better on paper!
Click to expand...
He can hope and dream but I think he will not have a chance. I just wanted to see him winning the Giro but next year will be Almeida's golden opportunity. As a portuguese fan, I am delighted about that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan and SHAD0W93
K

kingjr

Sep 9, 2012
4,586
1,703
18,680
Visit site
mariosommelier said:
Then again, for me Vingegaard is the superior rider (and I don't like him at all).

Yes, you can earn points in several races, but the great prize is the Tour de France.

I can bet my house Remco would trade both gold medals today for a Tour de France win.
Click to expand...

velaso montador said:
Obv he would lets not fool ourself.
Click to expand...

"Nobody's speaking any more about my third place in the Tour de France," he says. "So you can really see that the Olympics, and especially a double gold medal is just above everything. I was speaking about this with my wife as well. I think the last week that I had at the Olympics, the Saturday-to-Saturday week with the two gold medals, what I achieved in Paris will be the highest moment of my sporting life."

 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: velaso montador and KZD
P

Peter von

Aug 23, 2012
784
682
12,180
Visit site
Peyroteo94 said:
He can hope and dream but I think he will not have a chance. I just wanted to see him winning the Giro but next year will be Almeida's golden opportunity. As a portuguese fan, I am delighted about that.
Click to expand...
if he accepts he has no chance, then he has a mentality problem. Remco has too keep pushing himself and he does that by throwing down with the best at the TdF.

I get that a Giro win is (at least to a lot of people) a better improvement on Remco's palmares at this point compared to another TdF 3rd. But to me he is too close to the mutants to just fold.
 
scribers

scribers

Oct 30, 2023
2,676
3,895
8,680
Visit site
kingjr said:
"Nobody's speaking any more about my third place in the Tour de France," he says. "So you can really see that the Olympics, and especially a double gold medal is just above everything. I was speaking about this with my wife as well. I think the last week that I had at the Olympics, the Saturday-to-Saturday week with the two gold medals, what I achieved in Paris will be the highest moment of my sporting life."

Click to expand...
Recency bias
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Latest posts

Share this page

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom