Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Gargamel35]

TT race is before RR. Roglič will go all in for TT and probably finish around 5th place. He'll go to RR tired and in a semi free role. He won't work for Pog like a domestique because he'll keep some powder dry if race comes his way (he earned that) and he'll fade towards the end of it anyway.

Maybe they will use him as a decoy attack to tire out the competition before final mega watt bomb by Pog. Team can't wait for the sprint. They need to go crazy much before that and release Pog in long range attack.

 

[Oldermanish]

No reference to cheating and who would have won what if everybody played it fair.
And everybody knows sir Eddy was cheated in Italy, he cried real tears for sake;
Eddy was a statistic anomaly and Teddy will probably be one to. Both of them more then Jordan and James wil ever be. Rather put them in the Bradman, Taylor, Nicklaus category.
If Teddy keeps it up. Look how deep the tiger has sunk. Is he still a GOAT? For sure not the GOAT in golf?

Yes, of course that someone cheating couldn't be relevant in evaluating the greatest of their sport. Don't know what world it's not relevevant but you can construct that comparison as you go along, I guess.

Golf isn't a sport; it's an activity like pool, darts or bowling. Rhythmic gymnastics is more sport...

 

[Oldermanish]

TT race is before RR. Roglič will go all in for TT and probably finish around 5th place. He'll go to RR tired and in a semi free role. He won't work for Pog like a domestique because he'll keep some powder dry if race comes his way (he earned that) and he'll fade towards the end of it anyway.

Maybe they will use him as a decoy attack to tire out the competition before final mega watt bomb by Pog. Team can't wait for the sprint. They need to go crazy much before that and release Pog in long range attack.

A TT can be a great wakeup for the RR. I doubt it would tire him to any extent.
You can't overestimate the difference of a national team absent of paid, pro leadout trains and domestiques although most UAE guys should still consider who pays them. It'll take the good Slovenians to work out how test the competition but it will get down to either Primoz or Tadej to make a move at the right time and would be great if they are both in it.

 

[Oldermanish]

Roglic has too much reputation to just work for Pogacar and I understand that, however the best chance for a gold is clearly to put all eggs in one basket and that basket is Pogacar. Pogacar is by far the biggest favourite to win in Zurich.

The best chance is almost discovered in retrospect.

 

[Red Rick]

Sepp Kuss reading this:

Babysat him in the end didn't he.

 

[Salvarani]

Babysat him in the end didn't he.

He also left the team right after that.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Sepp Kuss reading this:

On Angliru Rogla was setting a high pace to protect his leader from attacks by his rivals (Vingo in particular). Due to fog and radio malfunction Rogla didn't realize what had happened. He heard heavy breath of his leader but at the finish it turned out it wasn't his beloved Sepp but evil Skeletor. Pretty traumatic for the Slovenian.

 

[stekelegel]

Yes, of course that someone cheating couldn't be relevant in evaluating the greatest of their sport. Don't know what world it's not relevevant but you can construct that comparison as you go along, I guess.

Golf isn't a sport; it's an activity like pool, darts or bowling. Rhythmic gymnastics is more sport...

So Maradona can never be a GOAT because of his handball? Or Messi because of his numerous dives?
If Pog ever gets his 0.00000001 moment because of he a bad steak, he is put in the bin and never talked about?
Armstrong was a cheat at a moment when everybody else was cheating in rather the same way.
I can totally agree that people consider him a cheat and count him out.
I don't;

 

[Peyroteo94]

So Maradona can never be a GOAT because of his handball? Or Messi because of his numerous dives?
If Pog ever gets his 0.00000001 moment because of he a bad steak, he is put in the bin and never talked about?
Armstrong was a cheat at a moment when everybody else was cheating in rather the same way.
I can totally agree that people consider him a cheat and count him out.
I don't;

My opinion is similar. Do people know why LA was stripped from his 7 Tour's titles but still no one won those Tours? I will not say more because this is stuff to be talked in the clinic.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Sepp Kuss reading this:

True story

 

[Savant12]

Rogla will not be a factor in this race, 270km way to much for him, he will target TT

Roglic has never done well in a long race before? Pretty sure he has. If he targets the ITT, he still has a week to recover.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Roglic has never done well in a long race before? Pretty sure he has. If he targets the ITT, he still has a week to recover.

He did really well in Liege once (and he was lucky in that sprint). Of course he has some pedigree in monuments/WC but it is obvious he can't sustain his insane power for 250 km. He is was more vulnerable when classics exceed the 220 km mark.

 

[Peyroteo94]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/pogacar-was-very-strong-but-maybe-not-unbeatable-maxim-van-gils-sees-hope-for-other-riders-with-view-to-the-world-championships&ved=2ahUKEwiPyfzu4cmIAxVCRaQEHcJMGfc4ChDF9AEoAHoECAUQAg&usg=AOvVaw16Lr3Ky7_aZlbXiMWGwvXj

 

[scribers]

My opinion is similar. Do people know why LA was stripped from his 7 Tour's titles but still no one won those Tours? I will not say more because this is stuff to be talked in the clinic.

You notice how cool pogi is about matching or beating 5 tour victories. Because it’s been done. 7 times. Even if they are removed. It’s something someone has already done

 

[Peyroteo94]

You notice how cool pogi is about matching or beating 5 tour victories. Because it’s been done. 7 times. Even if they are removed. It’s something someone has already done

7 Tour wins are very far. Let him win 2 more first

 

[rokovski]

Rog will pull for last attack but nobody will follow them, Pog and Rog for sprint finish 😅

 

[Peyroteo94]

Rog will pull for last attack but nobody will follow them, Pog and Rog for sprint finish 😅

Rog will be dead after 220 km

 

[entre nous]

I recall Wout being by far the strongest rider at Tokyo 2020 RR and everyone marking him and letting him chase and fade alone.
The usual scenario for Pog capitalising on his supremacy only possible if the team controls the race until last 25 km. Pretty insane to expect that.
So he will have to launch from really afar.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So he will have to launch from really afar.

He can do it. Even more so if he has Remco as his companion.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/pogacar-was-very-strong-but-maybe-not-unbeatable-maxim-van-gils-sees-hope-for-other-riders-with-view-to-the-world-championships&ved=2ahUKEwiPyfzu4cmIAxVCRaQEHcJMGfc4ChDF9AEoAHoECAUQAg&usg=AOvVaw16Lr3Ky7_aZlbXiMWGwvXj

This is pretty much what I think as well. Pogacar was good but not at the highest level. Still beatable. I do think he will be stronger in 12 days though.

 

[Salvarani]

7 Tour wins are very far. Let him win 2 more first

I think the poster just said Pog is calm/relaxed about potentially matching or winning five Tours, presently.

And just pointing out that someone has even won more than that. Off the record.

Not talking about that Pog will win 7.

 

[entre nous]

But can he sustain it? Only if big teams are worn out (but for that the pace needs too be really high) or there's a competitive escape group from the bigs in front by then and he manages to cross and then sting again.

Remco's position in that race is similar without Wout, so they are kind a natural allies.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

But can he sustain it? Only if big teams are worn out (but for that the pace needs too be really high) or there's a competitive escape group from the bigs in front by then and he manages to cross and then sting again.

Remco's position in that race is similar without Wout, so they are kind a natural allies.

WC is obviously harder to control due to weaker teams, longer distance and no radios. There's always a possibility that Pog or Remco is left behind some strong group and his support isn't enough (i.e. because other teams have their representatives up the road). However, those two guys have very offensive mindset so there's a good chance they will start the decisive move (or at least won't miss it).

 

[Peyroteo94]

But can he sustain it? Only if big teams are worn out (but for that the pace needs too be really high) or there's a competitive escape group from the bigs in front by then and he manages to cross and then sting again.

Remco's position in that race is similar without Wout, so they are kind a natural allies.

There won't be any teams left after 220 km. Every leader will be alone.

 

[velaso montador]

Finally were able to watch the best cyclist of all time again what a breath of frseh air it was, once your used to watching him watching anyone else race just doesnt feel the same at all. Cant wait to WC

Exactly. Ive said this before but in 50 years people will speak about Pogacar in a way its hard to understand - We get to witness him live, its truly special.