Maybe you are right but he needs to surprise everyone. He can't always wait to attack in the final km of Poggio. He will not drop MVPCipressa attacks are like nuclear fusion. Always next year.
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Maybe you are right but he needs to surprise everyone. He can't always wait to attack in the final km of Poggio. He will not drop MVPCipressa attacks are like nuclear fusion. Always next year.
Pogacar was destroyed before Glasgow. Terrible example.I think in the flatter classics you can still see the difference between the more climber-type Pogacar and the more classics-type Van der Poel. The Ronde on its current course is more of an Ardennes type classic, so that's why he shines there. But if you take last year's Worlds, for instance, Pogi actually wasn't that impressive there. Neither was Evenepoel. That's where the pure Watts trump the relative Watts.
Or take the finish in last year's E3 Classic... Pogi got absolutely smoked there by Van Aert and Van der Poel. He's fast compared to climbers, but not compared to actual sprinters.
He just needs some luck that's all. He can always try the Cipressa attack and see what happens. But they tried to drill the Cipressa this year and things got messy and eventually the momentum was lost.I think he will attack on Cipressa next year. Harder climb and devastating pace until his attack
He would've won MSR hadn't Mathieu said, 'You don't win on my watch', and reeled him in.He was very impressive in the gravel stage this year, very impressive in the 2022 mini Roubaix. He is not Remco, he has the pure watts, he doesn't have enough power in his sprint so MSR and PR will always be tough for him.
Yes and no.Pogacar was destroyed before Glasgow. Terrible example.
But MVP knows he can't let Pogacar go away and next year, I think we will have the same scenarioHe would've won MSR hadn't Mathieu said, 'You don't win on my watch', and reeled him in.
But he wasn't close to his peak shape. I can't see MVP dropping a full peak Pogacar in any type of climb.Yes and no.
It was an extremely attritional race, which favors him, no matter how tired he is. It was all efforts so short it wasn't about climbing ability anymore. That's a pivotal difference. Even in de Ronde you have climbs of 1-2 minutes and the 4 minute Kwaremont, which is different from Glasgow.
Roubaix however is a race where there's 0 actual climbing, which means his greatest strength isn't used at all.
Perfect circular reasoning.But he wasn't close to his peak shape. I can't see MVP dropping a full peak Pogacar in any type of climb.
Pogacar sustaining the effort from Cipressa until the finish is not the problem. We know he can TT that until the finish. Rather, the problem is whether UAE can set such a pace that will drop the domestiques and reduce the group to like 10-20 guys where G2 syndrome can take effect. Remember that Cipressa is still only 5.6 km long with a 4.1% average. Also, as you said, there's even no guarantee that Pogacar can break away solo because the likes of MVDP, Wout, Ganna, etc., can still follow him there if they choose to do so.The main problem of the Cipressa attacks is sustain the effort in the 9kms flat. He's the only one who has a shot to fo it, expecially in this new form of him. Anyway, where is written that MVP or WVA or Ganna won't with him after the Cipressa...
He needs Manie back and let him do a 90 km soloPogacar sustaining the effort from Cipressa until the finish is not the problem. We know he can TT that until the finish. Rather, the problem is whether UAE can set such a pace that will drop the domestiques and reduce the group to like 10-20 guys where G2 syndrome can take effect. Remember that Cipressa is still only 5.6 km long with a 4.1% average. Also, as you said, there's even no guarantee that Pogacar can break away solo because the likes of MVDP, Wout, Ganna, etc., can still follow him there if they choose to do so.
I guess it will depend on how large the gaps are after the Cipressa and if there is enough time to organize a chase, which will depend on how many teammates are left.The main problem of the Cipressa attacks is sustain the effort in the 9kms flat. He's the only one who has a shot to fo it, expecially in this new form of him. Anyway, where is written that MVP or WVA or Ganna won't with him after the Cipressa...
PolittI guess it will depend on how large the gaps are after the Cipressa and if there is enough time to organize a chase, which will depend on how many teammates are left.
Will have a smaller group with only leaders left be able to cooperate, wait for others to come back, or will they attack each other to try and get away?
But as seen this year what happens before Cipressa is way more important. UAE ending up being swamped with 5-6 other teams trying to position themselves. Then they covered the road and first half of Cipressa went really slow. It took time for riders to get to the front. So it ended up being Poggio left as most times.
If UAE manage to drive the Capos and has the firepower to keep themselves in the front going into Cipressa to be able to ride hard from the bottom, it can get interesting. Could happen but will be hard. Not impossible though.
Yes and no.
It was an extremely attritional race, which favors him, no matter how tired he is. It was all efforts so short it wasn't about climbing ability anymore. That's a pivotal difference. Even in de Ronde you have climbs of 1-2 minutes and the 4 minute Kwaremont, which is different from Glasgow.
Roubaix however is a race where there's 0 actual climbing, which means his greatest strength isn't used at all.
NarvaezPolitt
Wellens
Rui Oliveira
Vermeesh
Bjerg
These 5 guys need to be in MSR next year. They can win it.
He will be there to launch him. Other 5 to put a hard tempoNarvaez
I agree but maybe not Oliveira.Politt
Wellens
Rui Oliveira
Vermeesh
Bjerg
These 5 guys need to be in MSR next year. They can win it.
Yes ofc. But nothing new either just more extreme imo since he raised the level a few bars even. (if he gets hurt it equal the playing field again) - also the competition is very very good I might add its just that he is insane.Please don't be rude to me: I read that post perfectly accurately. I am challenging whether you are being consistent in making the statement.
I have also read many posts in which you express delight that others are not keeping up with (i.e. competitive with) Pogacar. Do you believe that he is better than others do a degree at which results are predictable or not?
He needs to attack on the Turchino.He needs Manie back and let him do a 90 km solo
I would be shocked to see a solo on Cipressa, the flat section to Poggio is to long on wide open roads in every possible metric seems like a suicide attack - but then again weve seen things recently which I would think was the same. But I would be shocked to see it happen still, somewhat dont see that happening but yeah.Cipressa attacks are like nuclear fusion. Always next year.
Narvaez I think can be the vital piece for launch in MSR. Imo better version than Wellens as last man in that kinda circuit you have to include Narvaez into that equation he gonne be vital.Politt
Wellens
Rui Oliveira
Vermeesh
Bjerg
These 5 guys need to be in MSR next year. They can win it.
Positioning leading to the cipressa is everything. I did a review of last years race. Before the cipressa pogis team was driving hard at the front. Cameras could stay in the village bottle neck so we couldn’t see what happened, but at the base of the cipressa i think it was a few EF guys, all of the favorites, and pogi stuck behind them. Because pogi’s cipressa attempt was the worst kept secret in the peloton.I guess it will depend on how large the gaps are after the Cipressa and if there is enough time to organize a chase, which will depend on how many teammates are left.
Will have a smaller group with only leaders left be able to cooperate, wait for others to come back, or will they attack each other to try and get away?
But as seen this year what happens before Cipressa is way more important. UAE ending up being swamped with 5-6 other teams trying to position themselves. Then they covered the road and first half of Cipressa went really slow. It took time for riders to get to the front. So it ended up being Poggio left as most times.
If UAE manage to drive the Capos and has the firepower to keep themselves in the front going into Cipressa to be able to ride hard from the bottom, it can get interesting. Could happen but will be hard. Not impossible though.
Sorry if you feelt I was rude that wasnt my intention at all. Im sure some dont like the predictability I get that no problem, thats perfectly fine and easy to get especially if you have a bone against him, it just as I could argue more people like watching it - its sport you cant please em all I think thats normal too.