Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Rob5091]

Euripides said apparently, "Every man is like the company he is wont to keep."
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/racin...s-as-triple-crown-winner-lands-eur8m-contract

What he's doing for Abu Dhabi is worth more than the races he wins. Pogačar is proud of that, he creates enthusiasm, a nation has discovered cycling and he has a great relationship with the royal family,"

Original article at https://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/05...con-uae-emirates-le-cifre-e-la-clausola.shtml

 

[Shortcut]

I never tried more to understand Italian. So he didn't really say he will go to Flanders?

 

[Rob5091]

I never tried more to understand Italian. So he didn't really say he will go to Flanders?

No, nothing is planned yet for next year, apart from the Tour.

 

[Peyroteo94]

No, nothing is planned yet for next year, apart from the Tour.

In one month we will know. Can't wait to hear "Andiamo" again

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The Froome arc is a few contracts away

Teddy in 2040:

I feel home at the team and I'm willing to fulfill the contract. I still can win my Tour #10, I even passed Urshka during our leisure ride recently.

 

[Tanakka]

I never tried more to understand Italian. So he didn't really say he will go to Flanders?

Shouldn't deepl, if not google translate as well, be good enough?
Anyway:

il programma
"Non abbiamo ancora definito il 2025 - riprende Pogacar - ma il punto centrale sarà il Tour, e so che qui mi scontrerò con Vingegaard, è una grande rivalità, me l’aspetto sempre più forte. Ci sarà la Sanremo, farò qualche giro sulle pietre (il Fiandre, ndr)..., il Mondiale in Africa".

Gianetti è più preciso: "Non partirà prestissimo, deve rifiatare. Non è esclusa ancora la doppietta con il Giro o con la Vuelta. La corsa rosa gli è veramente piaciuta molto, è stato felice di correre il Giro per l’ambiente e l’affetto che ha avuto dalla gente. Invece non farà la Roubaix: non possiamo pretendere che faccia il fenomeno sempre".

Paperon Pogacar: contratto a vita da 50 milioni in 6 stagioni. Ed è anche maglia oro

Nella stagione-record di Giro, Tour e Mondiale, rinnova con la Uae Emirates fino al 2030: avrà 32 anni. "Questa è la mia famiglia". Sale a 200 milioni la clausola di rescissione

www.gazzetta.it

Pogi said:
-Tour is the culminating point, "central point", of the year. I'm aware that I'll have to challenge Vingegaard, it's a huge rivarly; I expect him to get stronger and stronger.
- Sanremo will be in the schedule
- I'll take a few rounds on clobblestones (gazzetta assumes it must mean Flanders)
- South Africa's world championship

Gianetti said:
- he has to catch his breath a bit, he won't start so soon*
- double tour Giro-TdF* or TdF-Vuelta is still on the table. He really liked the giro a lot, he was happy to run the giro because of its atmosphere and the affection he got from the people
- No to Roubaix: we cannot expect him to play the phenom at all times and all places



*I don't know what 'start' or 'soon' are referring to: it came out that they want him to run the damn 'UAE Tour' in 2025.
Reason being he wears the world championship jersey and had skipped it for two years straight.
The problem is that said stupid race takes place the 17th of February, while Sanremo is on the 22nd of March and even Strade Bianche is only on the 8th of March.
I know Pogi doesn't need to run 'UAE Tour' being anywhere close to peak form, but still...
I guess it just means he'll wait a bit longer than usual before training really seriously.


** I doubt he'll do the Giro-Tour double again this year. I exptect Gianetti to have said that mostly because they were talking to Gazzetta.
They must be still pondering whether to do TdF-Vuelta. The south africa's world championship is particularly suited to Pog.
Therefore the obvious dilemma is whether doing the Vuelta (even more so after a Tour) will impact his odds of winning the WC.
Pog is expected to be able to win a Vuelta in years and years to come.
WC.. maybe not so much: in 2027 and 2028 the WC might be way easier, idk, so...

 

[scribers]

Perfect rundown! I hadn’t even figured the giro possibility was just an Italian paper tease. I’m sure the giro will turn up with some cash offers soon for encouragement

 

[Peyroteo94]

Shouldn't deepl, if not google translate as well, be good enough?
Anyway:

Pogi said:
-Tour is the culminating point, "central point", of the year. I'm aware that I'll have to challenge Vingegaard, it's a huge rivarly; I expect him to get stronger and stronger.
- Sanremo will be in the schedule
- I'll take a few rounds on clobblestones (gazzetta assumes it must mean Flanders)
- South Africa's world championship

Gianetti said:
- he has to catch his breath a bit, he won't start so soon*
- double tour Giro-TdF* or TdF-Vuelta is still on the table. He really liked the giro a lot, he was happy to run the giro because of its atmosphere and the affection he got from the people
- No to Roubaix: we cannot expect him to play the phenom at all times and all places



*I don't know what 'start' or 'soon' are referring to: it came out that they want him to run the damn 'UAE Tour' in 2025.
Reason being he wears the world championship jersey and had skipped it for two years straight.
The problem is that said stupid race takes place the 17th of February, while Sanremo is on the 22nd of March and even Strade Bianche is only on the 8th of March.
I know Pogi doesn't need to run 'UAE Tour' being anywhere close to peak form, but still...
I guess it just means he'll wait a bit longer than usual before training really seriously.


** I doubt he'll do the Giro-Tour double again this year. I exptect Gianetti to have said that mostly because they were talking to Gazzetta.
They must be still pondering whether to do TdF-Vuelta. The south africa's world championship is particularly suited to Pog.
Therefore the obvious dilemma is whether doing the Vuelta (even more so after a Tour) will impact his odds of winning the WC.
Pog is expected to be able to win a Vuelta in years and years to come.
WC.. maybe not so much: in 2027 and 2028 the WC might be way easier, idk, so...

He must win Vuelta now, we don't know what can happen in the future

 

[scribers]

This worlds coming up is a unique opportunity. If it has to be the vuelta or worlds I pick the latter this season.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This worlds coming up is a unique opportunity. If it has to be the vuelta or worlds I pick the latter this season.

Unique opportunity for what?

 

[Jan the Man]

Marketability wise outside of Spain I’d have thought the rainbow bands have significantly more ‘value’. From a purely sporting perspective winning the Vuelta for him when he already has a worlds will enhance the palmares more

Unique opportunity for what?

 

[KZD]

Unique opportunity for what?

To get the rainbow double in the same season.

 

[scribers]

And to collect another WC jersey. Several years into his career it is already demonstrably not-a-given-opportunity annually.

Merckx won it three times. Pogi is counting

 

[Peyroteo94]

Vuelta>WC, just saying.

 

[KZD]

And to collect another WC jersey. Several years into his career it is already demonstrably not-a-given-opportunity annually.

Merckx won it three times. Pogi is counting

He should have three more chances in the next three years and then it will likely be flat routes until the end of the decade so he needs a good strike rate.

Vuelta>WC, just saying.

Arguably bigger than the road race alone but not road race + time trial. Plus it will be easier for Pogačar to peak for the Worlds after taking a break in August than holding a very good shape from early July until early October.

 

[Shortcut]

Vuelta is not worth risking WC ITT, RR gold + 5th Lombardie. There is no way winning Tour-Vuelta, WC ITT+RR and Lombardie even for him. On the other side Giro-Tour, WC and Lombardie is doable.

 

[Tanakka]

Vuelta>WC, just saying.

Is it, though, when you already have 3-4 TdF (plus 1 Giro)?

For someone like, idk, Julian Alaphilippe I'd see the argument.
But for someone like Pog?

I'm not so sure.

 

[AmRacer]

Is it, though, when you already have 3-4 TdF (plus 1 Giro)?

For someone like, idk, Julian Alaphilippe I'd see the argument.
But for someone like Pog?

I'm not so sure.

Pog has 1 WC, and 0 Vuelta.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Risking as if he's not the ludicrous favorite for WC and Lombardia anyway. All you jeopardize is the WC ITT.

This. Pogacar can win everything if he shows a similar level compared to this year.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Is it, though, when you already have 3-4 TdF (plus 1 Giro)?

For someone like, idk, Julian Alaphilippe I'd see the argument.
But for someone like Pog?

I'm not so sure.

Yes, it is. He already won a WC, there will be always a hole in his palmares. Can we imagine a world with Nibali as a winner of all GTs and not Pogacar?

 

[scribers]

Or his running the Vuelta this year results with a career ending crash midway through the race

See? We can both play what-ifs

 

[Lequack]

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[Peyroteo94]

Or his running the Vuelta this year results with a career ending crash midway through the race

See? We can both play what-ifs

He can win Tour-Vuelta-WC. I don't have any doubt about that. Maybe the TT in Rwanda is out but he can win the road race despite doing the Vuelta.

 

[Salvarani]

Vuelta depends on how much he races in the spring for me.

If he does RVV and other classics. I would just ride the Tour and then Worlds + Lombardia in the fall as the big targets.

I feel like Vuelta is something he could do if Tour doesnt go to plan in the near future. Like he doesnt finish it or has to drop out early for any reason. Roglic-style.

Like Roubaix, the Vuelta is something he can afford to put off for a couple of seasons to maximize his chances in other races.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He should win Vuelta and then focus on whatever he wants. Win all races bar PR and then focus on his favourite races