Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

If van der Poel is in peak shape for the race and rides tactically intelligent (means don´t take any turns, when he rides with Pogacar, at least until the last hill..), I can see him staying with Pogacar. Unlike Liege-Bastogne Liege, climbs are still easy enough for van der Poel.

Main issue in my eyes is that he peaks always more for the coblle classics a few weeks earlier, but I remember really good performances from van der Poel in non cobble races with a profile like this one. His win here 2019 and the WC in Glasgow 2023 for example..

Last year he was in peak shape and he was a non factor in AGR. There is no chance he beats Pogacar with a strong UAE.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Both yates and ayuso are trained by the quasi trainer san milan but ayuso is not even at level of yates yet he wants to beat pog 😆

He seems to live in a bubble.

 

[Earns1985]

Last year he was in peak shape and he was a non factor in AGR. There is no chance he beats Pogacar with a strong UAE.

I would say, he was in peak shape until Paris-Roubaix and after that his form dropped, but it´s a bit of speculation.. As I already said, he won this race already once in 2019, although his tactical behaviour had been a disaster in that year..
As I said, races with a similar profile like Glasgow 2023 he can be a real threat to Pogacar...

I think the main problem for the Amstel Gold Race for van der Poel is, that it´s very close to Paris-Roubaix and the cobble classics.. He always targets them and especially for Paris-Roubaix you need more muscle mass, so it´s difficult for a rider to target both races in the same year.

But all in all, if van der Poel wouldn´t target the cobble classics and especially Paris- Roubaix before, i can see him beating Pogacar in the Amstel Gold Race..

 

[scribers]

There are no big races on the calendar similar to Glasgow

 

[James M]

Both yates and ayuso are trained by the quasi trainer san milan but ayuso is not even at level of yates yet he wants to beat pog 😆

Never been on that train cause athletes should be confident etc but Ayuso is just a f tool. To the point its embarrassing

 

[stonerider]

If van der Poel is in peak shape for the race and rides tactically intelligent (means don´t take any turns, when he rides with Pogacar, at least until the last hill..), I can see him staying with Pogacar. Unlike Liege-Bastogne Liege, climbs are still easy enough for van der Poel.

Main issue in my eyes is that he peaks always more for the coblle classics a few weeks earlier, but I remember really good performances from van der Poel in non cobble races with a profile like this one. His won here 2019 and the WC in Glasgow 2023 for example..

I'm thinking we've seen the peak MvdP in 2023 to April 2024. He signed that huge contract extension with Alpecin and Canyon May 2024 and he has since disappeared from the top step of any significant race. In my opinion, his mental motivation isn't there to do the monk lifestyle training to battle a peak Pog.

 

[Salvarani]

I'm thinking we've seen the peak MvdP in 2023 to April 2024. He signed that huge contract extension with Alpecin and Canyon May 2024 and he has since disappeared from the top step of any significant race. In my opinion, his mental motivation isn't there to do the monk lifestyle training to battle a peak Pog.

MVDP will probably ride about the same schedule as he has done in the last couple of seasons for the reminder of his road career. For as long as he can win the big races.

MSR, E3, GW, Ronde and PR are his targets. Mainly the monuments.

LBL I dont think he can win, but he can win the sprint from the second group. Like last season.

Tour he will help Philipsen. He only showing up because sponsor.

Target Worlds any year he has an opportunity. Interesting if next year changes anything, since he will have a hard time there.

 

[scribers]

Article on CN references pogis acclimating at altitude in Rwanda as problematic for incline the vuelta.

 

[Earns1985]

I'm thinking we've seen the peak MvdP in 2023 to April 2024. He signed that huge contract extension with Alpecin and Canyon May 2024 and he has since disappeared from the top step of any significant race. In my opinion, his mental motivation isn't there to do the monk lifestyle training to battle a peak Pog.

His perfomance at the Worlds last year with a course not suited at all to his abilities wasn´t bad.
Due to Pogacar´s suicide race tactic, there had been a realistic chance for him with 20 km to go to win it (If the guys would have decided to work together). At least for the cobbles I still see him as the man to beat for next season..

 

[Tymek]

At least for the cobbles I still see him as the man to beat for next season..

Considering that Pog beat him, i think that Pog is the man to beat.

 

[Earns1985]

Considering that Pog beat him, i think that Pog it the man to beat.

Pogacar beat van der Poel one time out of four races in a cobble classic and the last time he participated in a cobble classic was two years ago. But yes, the last time (Tour of Flanders 2023) Pogacar won..

 

[James M]

Pogacar beat van der Poel one time out of four races in a cobble classic and the last time he participated in a cobble classic was two years ago. But yes, the last time (Tour of Flanders 2023) Pogacar won..

Taking into account Pogacar has reached a different stratoshphere since then he certaintly is the man to beat in Flandern even. Watching the WC demolishing and so on its just impossible to come to a different conclusion

And im saying that while believing Mvdp is made for Flandern and is argueable one of the best ever in that race (if not the best statistics wice) hes just a beast there but still.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Taking into account Pogacar has reached a different stratoshphere since then he certaintly is the man to beat in Flandern even. Watching the WC demolishing and so on its just impossible to come to a different conclusion

And im saying that while believing Mvdp is made for Flandern and is argueable one of the best ever in that race (if not the best statistics wice) hes just a beast there but still.

I agree. Pogacar has developed such a monster w/kg engine that he's #1 favourite in Flandres IMO. Even before 2024 he demolished big boys on cobbled climbs of RVV with MVP being the only rider close.

 

[Peyroteo94]

And don't forget Pogi dropped MVP 2 times in 2023 RVV. He was clearly better.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

And don't forget Pogi dropped MVP 2 times in 2023 RVV. He was clearly better.

Obviously he needs to be better than MVP on bergs, otherwise he loses a sprint. That being said, I believe he will drop everyone at RVV'25.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Obviously he needs to be better than MVP on bergs, otherwise he loses a sprint. That being said, I believe he will drop everyone at RVV'25.

He has the team to put a hard tempo before his attack

 

[yaf]

San remos outcome will decide the whole classic campaign like how it is raced and tactics will be completely different. If pogi drops mvdp & wva on either cipressa or poggio and goes solo then both will play the underdog role the whole cobbled classics, they will not work with him if a berg is yet to come so he might find it as the world against him can't wait though

 

[Shortcut]

San remos outcome will decide the whole classic campaign like how it is raced and tactics will be completely different. If pogi drops mvdp & wva on either cipressa or poggio and goes solo then both will play the underdog role the whole cobbled classics, they will not work with him if a berg is yet to come so he might find it as the world against him can't wait though

I can see MVDP skipping MSR and concentrate just on E3, Flanders, P-R, maybe even Amstel/LBL (just like VvA wanted to do this year). I hope he does not, since MSR should be best race in 2025. But him being in shape to early could reduce his chanches against Pogi on Flanders.

 

[AmRacer]

I can see MVDP skipping MSR and concentrate just on E3, Flanders, P-R, maybe even Amstel/LBL (just like VvA wanted to do this year). I hope he does not, since MSR should be best race in 2025. But him being in shape to early could reduce his chanches against Pogi on Flanders.

Only Mathieu can stop Pogi from winning MSR.

 

[yaf]

I can see MVDP skipping MSR and concentrate just on E3, Flanders, P-R, maybe even Amstel/LBL (just like VvA wanted to do this year). I hope he does not, since MSR should be best race in 2025. But him being in shape to early could reduce his chanches against Pogi on Flanders.

I dont think mvdp is that foolish to skip msr & try to peak Rvv. Msr suits him better than Rvv he couldn't even cope with the human pog in 2023 Rvv let alone the alien pog in 2025

 

[Peyroteo94]

Only Mathieu can stop Pogi from winning MSR.

No. There is also WVA

 

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[scribers]

I hope the strade Bianchi pays pogi appearance fee. Because he himself will turn that race into legend

 

[James M]

I hope the strade Bianchi pays pogi appearance fee. Because he himself will turn that race into legend

What do you mean

 

[Peyroteo94]

What do you mean

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