Question Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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It's about time we address Pogacars remarkable rise since he joined UAE in 2019.

His first season as a junior wasn't anything special, but we have to remember that he was born later in year (September) which is a disadvantage at that age.
In his second season he definitely proved his talent by winning the Giro della Lunigiana.
However, in the entire season he only won two stages and never put any distance on his competitors.
His time trial abilities were less impressive. A 25th and 68th spot.

His first season as a U23 rider wasn't too great either.
He won a few youth jerseys, but didn't record a single stage win.

His second season was definitely better, but still hit and miss.
He won the Tour de l'Avenir, but didn't record a stage win.
He also finished 7th at the WC road race.
Promising, but not exceptional.

Then he moved to UAE. Its CEO is Mauro Gianetti, possibly the dirtiest rider and sports director in history.
Suddenly he started to win stage races (Algarve, California, and individual mountain stages in the Vuelta against the likes of Valverde and Roglic.
He also became a much better time trialist beating Mohoric and Tratnik in the Slovenian championship.

Give me a break.
 
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The reasons to be sceptical are very simple.
Stop. Most times many people in the Clinic - and here on this thread - go beyond scepticism and trade in pure, unadulterated cynicism. I'm all for scepticism, it's the cynicism that's the problem, cause there's no discussion with cynics, their minds are made up and not for changing. Sceptics at least have an open mind and change with the facts, rather than just changing, or ignoring, the facts.
 
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It's funny. After years of people saying that Froome is a doper as a guy out of Africa didn't show his results early. The same people are stunned that some with all the coaching from a young age is suspicious because he wins at 21 but didn't win everything at 18.

Maybe in future we can pick dopers as to when they get rid of their stabilisers.
 
For me Slovenia is South-Eastern Europe.
I don't know why this is important for the clinic, but that's the way it is for me. Same as Albania. Greece is southern Europe.
I don't think there is a clear definition for that.

Okay, I looked it up at German wiki and there seem to be several ideas about that, but you can see the map here, which is a proposition by the "Ständiger Ausschuss für geographische Namen"
(Standing Committee on Geographical Names):
It says Slovenia is Middle Europe but they also say Poland and Hungary are, and in my opinion those are clearly Eastern Europe.

Thinking about it, there is only one country for me that's Western Europe, and that's France. :D
 
Technically that's correct, although Yugoslavia was briefly a Soviet state until it detached in 1948. However its persistence with communism, albeit not Soviet communism, maintained its perception as an Eastern European region.
Yugoslavia was never Soviet state, not even close to being one. And it was socialism not communism - of course socialism is much closer to communism than capitalism so that’s a bit of a nitpicking. But the first one is waaaay off :)
 
Yugoslavia was never Soviet state, not even close to being one. And it was socialism not communism - of course socialism is much closer to communism than capitalism so that’s a bit of a nitpicking. But the first one is waaaay off :)
It was almost a de facto Soviet state for those first three years. But Tito wouldn't do Stalin's bidding and they broke off from the Eastern Bloc.

However, they were governed exclusively by The League of Communists of Yugoslavia. The separate states ostensibly called themselves socialist republics, but Tito was a communist, the governing party was a communist party, Yugoslavia was communist.
 
It was almost a de facto Soviet state for those first three years. But Tito wouldn't do Stalin's bidding and they broke off from the Eastern Bloc.

However, they were governed exclusively by The League of Communists of Yugoslavia. The separate states ostensibly called themselves socialist republics, but Tito was a communist, the governing party was a communist party, Yugoslavia was communist.
No it was not. How was it Soviet state? And what does de facto mean here? It was under soviet influence, sure, but that’s like saying UK use USA state. It’s just not true no matter which way you spin it...
 
No it was not. How was it Soviet state? And what does de facto mean here? It was under soviet influence, sure, but that’s like saying UK use USA state. It’s just not true no matter which way you spin it...
They were briefly willing participants of the Eastern Bloc, also commonly known as the Soviet Bloc.

And it was, by any Western definition, a communist state. Tito was a revolutionary communist, the governing party was communist. Communist states never described themselves as such, but that doesn't mean they weren't.

Anyway, football is on and this is a pretty futile derailment of the thread.

Back to how ridiculously juiced up Pogacar is.
 
Are you asking me to substantiate my claim that designing and prescribing a doping program that best suits an individual is something that takes skill and that there is variance even if everybody has access to essentially the same products and methods? Because that's what "They just need to be doing it better" meant.
Yes. Thanks for providing a snippet of something worthwhile rather then arguments about whether Slovenia was under the iron curtain. Hopefully this speculation can be built upon here .
 
where the hell did you draw this map from, Slovenia is NOT part of the Balkans, for God sake
Yes it is.
South of Sava river all the way to Soča everything belongs to the Balkan peninsula.
And I don't even want to get into culture and politics (might tell some joke instead).

Edit:
Balkan's also known as a piece of Middle East in Europe.
Is there better proof than cycling WT?
 
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For me Slovenia is South-Eastern Europe.
I don't know why this is important for the clinic, but that's the way it is for me. Same as Albania. Greece is southern Europe.
I don't think there is a clear definition for that.

Okay, I looked it up at German wiki and there seem to be several ideas about that, but you can see the map here, which is a proposition by the "Ständiger Ausschuss für geographische Namen"
(Standing Committee on Geographical Names):
It says Slovenia is Middle Europe but they also say Poland and Hungary are, and in my opinion those are clearly Eastern Europe.

Thinking about it, there is only one country for me that's Western Europe, and that's France. :D
Where do you draw the line?! Crazy how we are getting our knickers in a twist about this. Let's stay focused on the sheer madness that we saw today rather than where certain countries are supposed to be described geographically.
 

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