Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Froome]

The relationship between UCI and UAE is scary.

They can put whatever they want on this fraud, even if he test positive, they will hide, like they did with armstrong.

 

[Shakes]

Romain Bardet : "Ma conception du métier n'était plus en phase avec celle du milieu" - Eurosport

Romain Bardet a accordé un entretien à Eurosport dans lequel il évoque sa retraite, son maillot jaune sur le Tour de France, Tadej Pogacar...

www.eurosport.fr

Bardet is having severe doubts about events since 2020.

I can still get results but I won't win many races every year. There was the desire to anticipate a little of a decline that is inevitable and also to be in touch with my values, my ethics, my personal hygiene and my conception of the profession which is no longer totally in phase with that of my environment. Before this dissonance becomes too great, I think we have to know how to say stop.

That's when things got crazy...
RB : Of course, it's well documented. It's difficult to find the right tone to talk about it between the old glory looking for excuses to no longer occupy the front of the stage and being aware of a phenomenon of global acceleration of cycling. In 2020, there is the stage that arrives in Laruns and which passes by the Col de Marie-Blanque. It's the first day that I felt overtaken in the mountains. I'm not saying that I've never been dropped before, it's often happened to me, but there I had a good day and I really felt that there was a real difference compared to the very best. I have the flash of when they started, it was really fast. I knew Froome's accelerations but it was still less impressive.

This year 2020 marked the advent of Tadej Pogacar. How do you judge his 2024 season?
RB : I don't know what to say. I'm ignoring it. Honestly, it's not the same weight category. I'm surprised but, at the same time, he has put together the immense potential that we saw in him. Apparently, he didn't know how to train. Now, he knows. He puts together a potential that we saw in recent years on his first two Tours de France that he wins over in class. He is so superior... It's difficult to explain. I don't spend much time looking for explanations. Even being contemporary and in the environment, we have the feeling of not really being one of his opponents.

More good parts, even better, than this.

 

[troll hunter]

The relationship between UCI and UAE is scary.

They can put whatever they want on this fraud, even if he test positive, they will hide, like they did with armstrong.

Much less scary than when the corrupt british government bribed the UCI presidency by buying votes and putting a british president in charge of both the UCI and WADA.

and this british dude began his journey to become a Grand Tour GOAT.

 

[Froome]

Much less scary than when the corrupt british government bribed the UCI presidency by buying votes and putting a british president in charge of both the UCI and WADA.

and this british dude began his journey to become a Grand Tour GOAT.

There isn't any british Grand Tour GOAT.

But there was a guy from kenya who wasn't that bad in Grand Tours!

 

[Pannenkooky]

Some fishy Pogi's situation, when 1+1 isn't 2:
- TDF 2020 ITT LPDBF: 1:21 ahead of 2nd, he had no watt meter on TT bike
- ITT TA 2022: Pogi averaging 320 W and been in the red zone for 2 % total time. Ganna averaging 530 W and been in the red zone 86 % of total time. Ganna was 2nd, Pogi 3rd only 7 sec behind Ganna (found on reddit)
- most stage wins in Giro 2024 and TDF 2024: no signs od fatigure whatsoever despite breaking all the records
- TDF 2024: constatly you could see around 30 % less calories burned during mountain stages than his main rivals
- Lombardia 2024: Remco had same watts as Pogi in the valley after last climb, but he gained 2 minutes over Remco. This is from cyclinguptodate: Although Evenepoel was a clear second, finishing well ahead of the race for 3rd, the Soudal - Quick-Step leader was in turn, clearly distanced by Pogacar by the time the finish line arrived. "There was about an Instagram post by Velon with his average wattage of the last hour and a half. That couldn't be right, because I had the same wattage and was three minutes behind. So I sent him: I want to know what you really pedalled," recalls Evenepoel. "Tadej didn't tell me

Yes. After LA won his first TDF in 1999 David Walsh (journo) started investigating him and US Postal; USADA starting investigating in 2012. Why did USADA eventually cave and say they were investigating? Pressure from other teams, angry opponents, outsiders, who? Articles are already out in the foreign press noting Pogacar's "pas normal" performance.

 

[Pannenkooky]

Some fishy Pogi's situation, when 1+1 isn't 2:
- TDF 2020 ITT LPDBF: 1:21 ahead of 2nd, he had no watt meter on TT bike
- ITT TA 2022: Pogi averaging 320 W and been in the red zone for 2 % total time. Ganna averaging 530 W and been in the red zone 86 % of total time. Ganna was 2nd, Pogi 3rd only 7 sec behind Ganna (found on reddit)
- most stage wins in Giro 2024 and TDF 2024: no signs od fatigure whatsoever despite breaking all the records
- TDF 2024: constatly you could see around 30 % less calories burned during mountain stages than his main rivals
- Lombardia 2024: Remco had same watts as Pogi in the valley after last climb, but he gained 2 minutes over Remco. This is from cyclinguptodate: Although Evenepoel was a clear second, finishing well ahead of the race for 3rd, the Soudal - Quick-Step leader was in turn, clearly distanced by Pogacar by the time the finish line arrived. "There was about an Instagram post by Velon with his average wattage of the last hour and a half. That couldn't be right, because I had the same wattage and was three minutes behind. So I sent him: I want to know what you really pedalled," recalls Evenepoel. "Tadej didn't tell me

One of LA's giveaways was not even getting out of the saddle during climbs and obliterating competition. Pogi is pushing these insane watts for so long and he doesn't look winded at all afterwards, seems fine. Not normal

 

[Froome]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856396752506818998

View: https://x.com/CyclingUpToDat3/status/1856396752506818998


@yaf someone is smoking a lot of carbon monoxide!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856396752506818998

View: https://x.com/CyclingUpToDat3/status/1856396752506818998

 

[Extinction]

Romain Bardet : "Ma conception du métier n'était plus en phase avec celle du milieu" - Eurosport

Romain Bardet a accordé un entretien à Eurosport dans lequel il évoque sa retraite, son maillot jaune sur le Tour de France, Tadej Pogacar...

www.eurosport.fr

Bardet is having severe doubts about events since 2020.






More good parts, even better, than this.

I love R f-ing B! He's true class.

 

[troll hunter]

Romain Bardet : "Ma conception du métier n'était plus en phase avec celle du milieu" - Eurosport

Romain Bardet a accordé un entretien à Eurosport dans lequel il évoque sa retraite, son maillot jaune sur le Tour de France, Tadej Pogacar...

www.eurosport.fr

Bardet is having severe doubts about events since 2020.

More good parts, even better, than this.

He confirms that Froome and British cheaters were the worst.

I think cycling was in a much worse situation in terms of drug use when I joined the pros than it is now.

Romain Bardet : "Ma conception du métier n'était plus en phase avec celle du milieu" - Eurosport

Romain Bardet a accordé un entretien à Eurosport dans lequel il évoque sa retraite, son maillot jaune sur le Tour de France, Tadej Pogacar...

www.eurosport.fr

 

[Nick2413]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856396752506818998

View: https://x.com/CyclingUpToDat3/status/1856396752506818998


@yaf someone is smoking a lot of carbon monoxide!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856396752506818998

View: https://x.com/CyclingUpToDat3/status/1856396752506818998

If this CO stuff is as straightforward as it seems they’re going to have to start policing HCT level alone and give up entirely on catching specific substances.

 

[Ripper]

Much less scary than when the corrupt british government bribed the UCI presidency by buying votes and putting a british president in charge of both the UCI and WADA.

and this british dude began his journey to become a Grand Tour GOAT.

Post it in the Froome thread if it means that much to you. It has not so much to do with the current UAE - UCI relationship

 

[Rob5091]

Romain Bardet : "Ma conception du métier n'était plus en phase avec celle du milieu" - Eurosport

Romain Bardet a accordé un entretien à Eurosport dans lequel il évoque sa retraite, son maillot jaune sur le Tour de France, Tadej Pogacar...

www.eurosport.fr

Bardet is having severe doubts about events since 2020.






More good parts, even better, than this.

Apparently, he didn't know how to train.

Comedy gold!!

 

[yaf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856396752506818998

View: https://x.com/CyclingUpToDat3/status/1856396752506818998


@yaf someone is smoking a lot of carbon monoxide!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856396752506818998

View: https://x.com/CyclingUpToDat3/status/1856396752506818998

Ok pog is unknown for you in 2023🤣 when he became the 1st rider in this century to win the tour of flanders as a tour de france winner☹️Everyone knows he was the best rider in 2023 with the exceptions of his vulnerabilities in the tours heat. If it was carbon monoxide visma also admitted that they used it. Bardet was just talking about 2nd tier riders who he used to beat now they are way ahead of him

 

[troll hunter]

It has not so much to do with the current UAE - UCI relationship

What relationship? Is that UAE-owned cycling app sponsoring the so-called indoor world championships? The desperation level is getting very pathetic here.

Ok pog is unknown for you in 2023🤣 when he became the 1st rider in this century to win the tour of flanders as a tour de france winner☹️Everyone knows he was the best rider in 2023 with the exceptions of his vulnerabilities in the tours heat. If it was carbon monoxide visma also admitted that they used it. Bardet was just talking about 2nd tier riders who he used to beat now they are way ahead of him

My guess is that he was talking about Derek Gee.

 

[Mayomaniac]

What relationship? Is that UAE-owned cycling app sponsoring the so-called indoor world championships? The desperation level is getting very pathetic here.


My guess is that he was talking about Derek Gee.

Exactly, that comment was almost certainly about him and IPT, who work with a big company involved with that tech.

 

[Froome]

Comedy gold!!

Now he learned how to sniff carbon monoxide.

 

[Rob5091]

Francesco Moser -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...d-tadej-looks-like-he-just-came-from-training

"I raced with Merckx, and he was strong. He had a very strong team to prepare the attacks, just like Pogacar has, but for me Pogacar wins more easily than Merckx. You see him coming in as if he was just out training, whereas Merckx was coming in beaten."

 

[pastronef]

Much less scary than when the corrupt british government bribed the UCI presidency by buying votes and putting a british president in charge of both the UCI and WADA.

and this british dude began his journey to become a Grand Tour GOAT.

remember when Lappartient was elected after Cookson at the end on 2017 and he came to end the Sky domination? Sky-Ineos, under a French UCI president won: 2 TDF, 3 Giro, Roubaix, Suisse, Dauphiné, Romandie, Amstel, etc
2024 is the 14th year in-a-row SkIneos puts at least 1 rider on a GT podium

 

[Raest]

This kind of power makes no sense if Remco was generating similar. Teddy was doing easily over 400 watts to demolish his rivals like that. I don't believe this kind of "source" at all but his outrageous Lombardy performance was worrying (regarding possible motor usage). I'm really hoping this is not the case.

Yeah, it's not correct that number. 340 W is Pog's Zone 2 ceiling. Can't believe that he put 3 minutes into Remco riding in Zone 2.

 

[troll hunter]

remember when Lappartient was elected after Cookson at the end on 2017 and he came to end the Sky domination? Sky-Ineos, under a French UCI president won: 2 TDF, 3 Giro, Roubaix, Suisse, Dauphiné, Romandie, Amstel, etc
2024 is the 14th year in-a-row SkIneos puts at least 1 rider on a GT podium

Lappartient's first move was to announce that Froome had failed a doping test. He wanted to ban Froome, but could not because the WADA president was still british. I'm sure Froome's doping case would never have come to light if Cookson had stayed on as UCI president. Who knows how much bad stuff this corrupt clown has been sweeping under the carpet over the years...

When the british also lost the WADA presidency in 2020, the Skyineos' performances became much less impressive. Now you no longer see random british nobody winning Grand Tour races in a row like Froome did. The good results that INEOS achieved were mainly due to the talented foreigners like Bernal, Kwiatkowski, van Baarle..

 

[pastronef]

Lappartient's first move was to announce that Froome had failed a doping test. He wanted to ban Froome, but could not because the WADA president was still british. I'm sure Froome's doping case would never have come to light if Cookson had stayed on as UCI president. Who knows how much bad stuff this corrupt clown has been sweeping under the carpet over the years...

When the british also lost the WADA presidency in 2020, the Skyineos' performances became much less impressive. Now you no longer see random british nobody winning Grand Tour races in a row like Froome did. The good results that INEOS achieved were mainly due to the talented foreigners like Bernal, Kwiatkowski, van Baarle..

fine, you too much anti-Brit for me (I'm Italian). nice to talk. ciao

 

[troll hunter]

These are just facts, not 'anti-Brit'

 

[Oldermanish]

You certainly know "coming up with something concrete" is not his job. A lot of people are paid for this. But I think, as cycling fans, our job is to make noise when things are going too far.

Regarding the doping motor" nonsense", I'll tell you where I see nonsense. When he became UCI president, David Lappartient said his main goal was fighting mechanical doping. They put a lot of money on it. Useless tablets, Xray machines (540 000 $, then smaller ones, 50 000 $ each), then hiring a guy who formerly worked for the CIA (probably 10X my salary), then suddenly anouncing they would offer financial rewards for motor doping whistleblowers. Millions of dollars to find... nothing. Here is your NONSENSE. And why don't they dismantle bikes ? We're not talking about nuclear submarines, we're talking about bikes. B.I.K.E.S.

As far as I am concerned, I am on the edge. I sometimes feel it would explain a lot of things, I sometimes feel it is a crazy idea. But I know for sure something is happening.

I had to talk to my elder brother (he is the real cycling fan of the family, he fell for it from a very young age, I was just the little girl forced to watch Bernard Hinault win lots of Tours de France - you know there was only one screen in houses by this time). He is not into social media, not into forums, not into watts. But he has a knowledge, built on experience. We weren't born yesterday. We don't believe Hinault was clean. And we've seen a lot from there.

First glass of wine, we burst out laughing recalling some of Pogacar's 2024 moves - he really likes Pogacar but he isn't naive, and he's starting to get bored. Second glass, he laughed at me when I said Remco was my landmark with doping question, but the third glass brought us to an agreement: Lefevere = classic doping = still 3 minutes gap in Lombardia.

We both know something is happening. For decades, cycling has followed a "normal doping"/too far mouvement. Whether it is technological or biological doping, we've reached this too far point. You just have to open your eyes.

BTW, it was very rude to spot a spelling mistake. A lot of people on this forum don't have English as their mother tongue, which I think is an asset, and pointing out their mistakes is of no interest. At least they make the effort to speak a foreign language. I'd love to hear you pronounce La Planche des belles filles, L'Alpe d'Huez or le col du Galibier.

I think your vestment in moto doping explanations is mostly fantasy. I see the UCI's investment in it as much misdirection rather than interdiction. It politically takes the heat off of serious doping testing at the times that mean something: random whereabouts in far flung camps. If there is doping mischief these days it is more likely before an event than during.

 

[peterfin]

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To appreciate that the bromance between the UCI and UAE is not just about a minor cycling app, read this article: [/SIZE]https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/middle-east-cycling-investment

 

[troll hunter]

You need to work a bit to see things from a higher level. To appreciate that the bromance between the UCI and UAE is not just about a minor cycling app, read this article: https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/middle-east-cycling-investment

Like what, for example? Because the article doesn't say anything more about the relationship between the UCI and UAE other than MyWhoosh replaced Zwift.