Team Budgets

[Zinoviev Letter]

There's an article on Cycling Tips which includes a chart showing what it claims are the budgets of the participating teams. Does anyone know if this is remotely reliable information?

If it's accurate, it seems that some teams get a lot more in the way of results for their money than others do. Compare for instance Katusha at the top end and Garmin down near the bottom:
http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2011/07/le-tour-diary-stage-8-team-budgets/

 

[Ferminal]

They are numbers released (presumably) by the ASO for publishing in their "Official Guides".

 

[Maxiton]

I have no idea if it's reliable but it is fascinating. Hard to believe that AG2R has a higher budget than Saxobank and Garmin. Also interesting that Garmin's budget is the same as Euskaltel - and that Katusha is among the highest. WTF?

By the way, that looks like a great cycling blog, with some interesting articles and great photos.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I have no idea if it's reliable but it is fascinating. Hard to believe that AG2R has a higher budget than Saxobank and Garmin.

And that Cofidis and FDJ have higher budgets again. As for Saxobank costing less than half as much as Katusha, Rabobank or Leopard, that's a pretty impressive return on their sponsor's money. Garmin too.

 

[Maxiton]

Yep, the Garmin people (sponsors, I mean) should be pretty pleased with themselves and their team. Talk about value for money!

The Russian mobsters, meanwhile (excuse me, I meant oligarchs), are going to want to set up a few meetings . . . .

 

[El Imbatido]

I don't know if those figures are correct.......I thought BMC was supposed to have a massive budget? But looking at these figures they are probably in the lower half of the budgets....

 

[Swabian Lass]

I think that I'd heard that Saxo and Garmin had (relatively) modest budgets. Gives a good return on investment!

I always thought that BMC had one of the highest budgets? But I'm not sure where I saw that.

 

[LaFleur]

No way Cofidis' budget is as high as it is?

 

[funnytanlines]

i saw that too. perhaps they're looking at the entire cycling program and not just the tour teams? rabobank for instance also has cx and mtb teams, and probably some developmental teams as well. perhaps they're also including the value of sponsored equipment?

still no idea what katusha is spending it all on though.

 

[Cimber]

no way SBS only have 7m euro. Thats hardly enough for Contador's salary (0;

 

[AussieGoddess]

there is no way that Katusha is spending twice as much as Saxo, and more than double Garmin.

 

[Jan the Man]

no way SBS only have 7m euro. Thats hardly enough for Contador's salary (0;

I thought his salary was supplemented by endorsement from Specialised or is that taken into account.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

There's an article on Cycling Tips which includes a chart showing what it claims are the budgets of the participating teams. Does anyone know if this is remotely reliable information?

If it's accurate, it seems that some teams get a lot more in the way of results for their money than others do. Compare for instance Katusha at the top end and Garmin down near the bottom:
http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2011/07/le-tour-diary-stage-8-team-budgets/

they are TOTALLY off

 

[just some guy]

they are TOTALLY off

They do seem weird but what the real budgets then ?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

these are real budgets in euros pretty much:

bmc 25 million/limitless (like phonak)
Sky 20-30 million
leopard 20 million
radioshack 20 million
katyusha 20 million (30 million for total program every year)
astana 20 million (can become more)
garmin-cervelo 20 million
htc 15 million
rabobank 12.5 million
movistar 12 million
liqiuigas 12 million
saxobank 11 million (of which 6 million to contador)
lampre-isd 11 million
omega pharma lotto 10 million
quickstep 9.5 million
vacansoleil 9.5 million (can become more)
ag2r 7 million
euskaltel 6.5 million
cofidis 8 million
francaise des jeux 7.5 million
europcar 7 million
saur 6 million

keep in mind especially the frnech teams usually have room for extra budgets for big riders.

 

[just some guy]

these are real budgets in euros pretty much:

bmc 25 million/limitless (like phonak)
Sky 20-30 million
leopard 20 million
radioshack 20 million
katyusha 20 million (30 million for total program every year)
astana 20 million (can become more)
garmin-cervelo 20 million
htc 15 million
rabobank 12.5 million
movistar 12 million
liqiuigas 12 million
saxobank 11 million (of which 6 million to contador)
lampre-isd 11 million
omega pharma lotto 10 million
quickstep 9.5 million
vacansoleil 9.5 million (can become more)
ag2r 7 million
euskaltel 6.5 million
cofidis 8 million
francaise des jeux 7.5 million
europcar 7 million
saur 6 million

keep in mind especially the frnech teams usually have room for extra budgets for big riders.

are they your figures or do they have a source ?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

they come from various sources, mostly interviews from past 2 years. earlier this year I read interview with someone from leopard who said they had a budget of 20 million, garmin used to have budget of 15 million and cervelo added 5 million to that this year so I did the math

sometimes teams themselve say budgets like rabobank did a few years ago when they extended to 12.5 million

lefevere has said few time his team has 9.5 million

katyusha has 30 million officially but not all go to pt team. astana same thing

directvelo listed saur's budget as 6 million and knowing how very high french team budgets are compared to the riders they have seem trustworthy. french teams pay very high salary's also to neo, mostly fdjeux btw, that's wht the biggest talkents usually go to fdjeux

overall, too much to name but I keep track of them for eurotour database

 

[will10]

these are real budgets in euros pretty much:

bmc 25 million/limitless (like phonak)
Sky 20-30 million
leopard 20 million
radioshack 20 million
katyusha 20 million (30 million for total program every year)
astana 20 million (can become more)
garmin-cervelo 20 million
htc 15 million
rabobank 12.5 million
movistar 12 million
liqiuigas 12 million
saxobank 11 million (of which 6 million to contador)
lampre-isd 11 million
omega pharma lotto 10 million
quickstep 9.5 million
vacansoleil 9.5 million (can become more)
ag2r 7 million
euskaltel 6.5 million
cofidis 8 million
francaise des jeux 7.5 million
europcar 7 million
saur 6 million

keep in mind especially the frnech teams usually have room for extra budgets for big riders.

lmao

having fun there in fantasy land?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

name me budgets you think are bullcrap and I see what I can find. here source that says astana has 20 million + budget, like it or not

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/298102-astana-team-licensed-to-race-in-2010-protour

edit: katusha

http://katushateam.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/tinkoff-credit-systems-renamed-to-katusha/

 

[BM1979]

name me budgets you think are bullcrap and I see what I can find. here source that says astana has 20 million + budget, like it or not

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/298102-astana-team-licensed-to-race-in-2010-protour

edit: katusha

http://katushateam.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/tinkoff-credit-systems-renamed-to-katusha/

That says it's pledged the money for the 2010 season , says nothing about 2011 , Budgets do change each year. Im not saying your wrong but it says nothing about 2011

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

that's what I said, past 2 years, you are not going to get much closer to the real budgets than my list and budgets chance per year yes, but not much, basically nothing and most increase a little in fact and big chances you will usually find in media, like radioshack cutting back for next year

 

[Moondance]

I don't know if those figures are correct.......I thought BMC was supposed to have a massive budget? But looking at these figures they are probably in the lower half of the budgets....

Well, BMC are rumoured to massive amounts of cash because they're always being linked with every good out of contract rider. But one imagines BMC (read: Andy Rihs) is only making that money available if they're able to land a marquee name like The Canc or Gilbert, and won't free up that money for Ochowicz and Lelangue to sign additional riders of the caliber Morabito or Kroon.

 

[BM1979]

Well, BMC are rumoured to massive amounts of cash because they're always being linked with every good out of contract rider. But one imagines BMC (read: Andy Rihs) is only making that money available if they're able to land a marquee name like The Canc or Gilbert, and won't free up that money for Ochowicz and Lelangue to sign additional riders of the caliber Morabito or Kroon.

They need a half decent sprinter just to get some wins on the board

 

[Moondance]

They need a half decent sprinter just to get some wins on the board

Well they've already secured Blythe, who showed some serious potential last year, although he's been largely irrelevant this season as OPL has focused everything on Greipes. And they already have The Overrated Alexander Kristoff of course.

But yeah, they could definitely use a proven guy. I imagine that if HTC do end up going under, they'll definitely try to pick up some of their sprinting cadre like Goss, Roulston, and Howard.

 

[BM1979]

Well they've already secured Blythe, who showed some serious potential last year, although he's been largely irrelevant this season as OPL has focused everything on Greipes. And they already have The Overrated Alexander Kristoff of course.

But yeah, they could definitely use a proven guy. I imagine that if HTC do end up going under, they'll definitely try to pick up some of their sprinting cadre like Goss, Roulston, and Howard.

I did not know about Blythe , good pickup and yeah Kristoff has done wonders. I agree I just think they need one experienced guy who could pick up a few wins to get the team a bit of a winning culture and give the younger guys a bit feeling that the hard work is paying off, hell having an old hand on the team could even help Kristoff improve a bit. ( They could hope anyway)