Team Ineos Discussion thread

[RedheadDane]

Has he died recently? Or perhaps touring the catacombs?

Maybe he just dug a hole... for some reason...

 

[Monte Serra]

Has he died recently? Or perhaps touring the catacombs?

Paris has a large métro system!

 

[RedheadDane]

You know whose time has finally come?

Spoiler: DON'T LOOK!

 

[Rob5091]

So Dan Bingham is also leaving ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...as-day-we-should-be-doing-things-a-lot-better

“They always said they’d support me for the Olympics and it got to about February and I’m like, ‘Guys, I’ve been knocking on the door. What is the support?’ Scott came back and said, ‘our offer is you can take three months off as unpaid leave from May through to the Games’ which was, I guess, okay in a way, it put me on a UK Sport APA and I can arguably say I’m a professional athlete which is a nice box to tick. But at the same time it didn’t feel like a great amount of support," he admits.

Safe to say that throughout 2024 Bigham has grown frustrated of how the team behaved with him and ultimately decided to qut. "And with everything else building as frustration within the team it just felt if that’s the way they want to approach it then with everything else, my frustrations, I would hand in my notice.

 

[Valv.Piti]

This is definitely not Ineos of 2010's, and Im all here for it. There's ups and downs in showbusiness, even if you are thinking you are so much smarter and better than everybody. Good ol' Richard Plugge can also attest to that!

Now, I actually many of Ineos' riders and have done that for a while, so I hope they turn it around at some point and give UAE and Jumbo a run for their money along with Bora.

 

[Squire]

This is definitely not Ineos of 2010's, and Im all here for it. There's ups and downs in showbusiness, even if you are thinking you are so much smarter and better than everybody. Good ol' Richard Plugge can also attest to that!

Now, I actually many of Ineos' riders and have done that for a while, so I hope they turn it around at some point and give UAE and Jumbo a run for their money along with Bora.

They've actually had tons of likeable riders almost since the beginning. The only one I've actively disliked was Froome, and I didn't care too much for Porte or Gerrans. Other than that, I think they've had almost exclusively riders I wouldn't mind if did well.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I disliked that whole crew of Sky riders who started it all off (Porte, Rogers, Thoas, Wiggo and especially Froome), but lately they have had lots of riders I liked for sure.

 

[elguapo]

Cummings vs Pidcock intramural led to a mediocre performance by Team Ineos in the recent Tour. It was sad to see a fragmented Ineos and only the core of Rodriguez, De Plus and Bernal were racing as a team.

 

[mrgmyers]

It's a bit puzzling why they brought Thomas to the Tour. Although if you actually look at the team roster, there were not that many viable alternatives available. Either riders had done the Giro or were full on preparing for the Olympics. Maybe someone like Brandon Rivera could have been okay, considering his form in Austria. But a healthy Thomas is probably still better, and garners a lot more media attention.

Geraint has made several references to the fact that he was told to relax and support team members in the Tour however, he was then called upon to help even though he had just ridden the Giro I do not know what his training schedule was, but he did not appear to be prepared to do what was now being asked of him, and he is NOT a lazy passenger. Ineos appear to have allowed several riders who are frankly not up to challenging for a win at the tour to set their agendas ahead of that of the team this WILL bring significant changes to the team in 2025.

 

[mrgmyers]

Cummings vs Pidcock intramural led to a mediocre performance by Team Ineos in the recent Tour. It was sad to see a fragmented Ineos and only the core of Rodriguez, De Plus and Bernal were racing as a team.

You forgot Thomas!

 

[mrgmyers]

I disliked that whole crew of Sky riders who started it all off (Porte, Rogers, Thoas, Wiggo and especially Froome), but lately they have had lots of riders I liked for sure.

What was wrong with them? they were very successful or is that the problem!

 

[mrgmyers]

I don't mean to be cynical, but I don't think a sit down is needed. Pidcock's actions speak honestly. He is a very talented guy, but as a road rider he is only ever going to be a limited-purpose weapon. He can win some prestigious one-day races and take some high profile stages, but that's his ceiling. He has shown he isn't interested in supporting teammates. The question is whether his salary is justified on the team given his profile. If Red Bull values his non-road results highly, that may be a better fit for him.

To be clear, I don't begrudge Pidcock his choice, but I don't understand how it fits INEOS's project. Perhaps I'm misreading their goals, however. I also don't see how Pauline Ferrand-Prévot or Elia Viviani fit the squad. But I do think the current roster and the plans for next year are underwhelming. Forget the budget size, next year's roster would be underwhelming for even a low-budget team.

I recognise Tom Pidcock's talent, which is proven by recent results at the Olympics, but I have never quite understood why INEOS hired him. They are primarily a Grand Tour team, and Tom seems to only want to do what he wants, even if that does not fit with INEOS' goals. I really cannot wait for the next edition of the Netflix documentary!

 

[Netserk]

I disliked that whole crew of Sky riders who started it all off (Porte, Rogers, Thoas, Wiggo and especially Froome), but lately they have had lots of riders I liked for sure.

And Cummings, Gerrans, Kennaugh, Eisel, Rowe.

 

[YavorD]

Geraint has made several references to the fact that he was told to relax and support team members in the Tour however, he was then called upon to help even though he had just ridden the Giro I do not know what his training schedule was, but he did not appear to be prepared to do what was now being asked of him, and he is NOT a lazy passenger. Ineos appear to have allowed several riders who are frankly not up to challenging for a win at the tour to set their agendas ahead of that of the team this WILL bring significant changes to the team in 2025.

Thomas said he's gonna do both GTs already at the end of 2023. There were plenty of articles saying he will do the Giro and the Tour this year.

 

[Peter von]

Thomas said he's gonna do both GTs already at the end of 2023. There were plenty of articles saying he will do the Giro and the Tour this year.

And has been very open about the fact that he is best when he has one big hit per season.

 

[xo 1]

I recognise Tom Pidcock's talent, which is proven by recent results at the Olympics, but I have never quite understood why INEOS hired him. They are primarily a Grand Tour team, and Tom seems to only want to do what he wants, even if that does not fit with INEOS' goals. I really cannot wait for the next edition of the Netflix documentary!

I don't know that they had a choice, given his citizenship and obvious talent - particularly where its budget was when he was first signed. INEOS had to try, but with hindsight, the difficulties they've encountered with Pidcock having different goals than management were foreseeable.

 

[Wyndbrook]

I disliked that whole crew of Sky riders who started it all off (Porte, Rogers, Thoas, Wiggo and especially Froome), but lately they have had lots of riders I liked for sure.

Dislike is a very peculiar thing to say about individuals you most probably have never met.
Anything related to their being Australian or British?

 

[Sciatic]

Dislike is a very peculiar thing to say about individuals you most probably have never met.
Anything related to their being Australian or British?

Disliking someone we’ve never met for no apparent reason is no different than liking someone we’ve never met for no apparent reason. And almost all of us do a lot of the latter, so equally reasonable to do the former.

 

[Axel Hangleck]

I don't know that they had a choice, given his citizenship and obvious talent - particularly where its budget was when he was first signed. INEOS had to try, but with hindsight, the difficulties they've encountered with Pidcock having different goals than management were foreseeable.

Yes, I think he was always going to end up at Ineos.......
However, when he was at Telenet CX team who were on Trek, there were rumours that the then Trek-Segafredo were keeping tabs on him....But then he signed for Wiggins U23 on the road, and Trinity set up TP Racing, which became Trinity Racing.

 

[Squire]

Dislike is a very peculiar thing to say about individuals you most probably have never met.
Anything related to their being Australian or British?

I know Valv.Piti is perfectly capable of answering for himself, but I just got triggered.

I've always been puzzled by the tendency of a lot of British people in the cycling universe to think that being British (or Australian, I guess) is something special that makes other people dislike them. I'm probably speaking for the vast majority of us other folks when I say that we don't give a flying f whether someone's British or Slovakian or Andorran or Swedish. Any dislike of riders embodying the early Sky period more likely stems from how they painted themselves as the cleanest of the clean while dominating the other supposedly more dirty teams at the Tour de France year after year. And doing it in a boring way, no less.

 

[mrgmyers]

Thomas said he's gonna do both GTs already at the end of 2023. There were plenty of articles saying he will do the Giro and the Tour this year.

I can assure you that is NOT what he said when discussing the Tour in his podcast! "I was sold a dream"

 

[YavorD]

I can assure you that is NOT what he said when discussing the Tour in his podcast! "I was sold a dream"

I can assure you that HE wanted to do both. He wanted to to thr Giro because of his defeat and try to do both. Maybe afterwards he regretted his decision but I'm fairly sure it was his.

Geraint Thomas to race both Giro d'Italia and Tour de France in 2024

Ineos Grenadiers rider Geraint Thomas confirms he will race the Giro d'Italia and Tour de France this year.

www.bbc.com

 

[JRanton]

Ethan Hayter’s rumoured move to Quickstep got me thinking that the team’s biggest issue at the moment is that their younger riders just aren’t taking that next step up in terms of results after showing initial promise. In fact they start going backwards. Hayter’s 2021 and 2022 results were very promising. Top 25 in the world rankings and then aged 23 he just started to go backwards.

Ben Turner had a really promising first classics season in 2022, aged 23, but has gone backwards ever since.

Even someone like Magnus Sheffield surely should have been coached better by now not to keep crashing in pivotal races for him by taking too many risks?

It feels like Pidcock should have progressed more since his debut season in 2021. Arguably won Amstel that year and was probably second strongest at the worlds.

Carlos Rodriguez and Arensman. Solid, promising GC results but are they making steps forward?

 

[YavorD]

Ethan Hayter’s rumoured move to Quickstep got me thinking that the team’s biggest issue at the moment is that their younger riders just aren’t taking that next step up in terms of results after showing initial promise. In fact they start going backwards. Hayter’s 2021 and 2022 results were very promising. Top 25 in the world rankings and then aged 23 he just started to go backwards.

Ben Turner had a really promising first classics season in 2022, aged 23, but has gone backwards ever since.

Even someone like Magnus Sheffield surely should have been coached better by now not to keep crashing in pivotal races for him by taking too many risks?

It feels like Pidcock should have progressed more since his debut season in 2021. Arguably won Amstel that year and was probably second strongest at the worlds.

Carlos Rodriguez and Arensman. Solid, promising GC results but are they making steps forward?

That's very good point but I think that they've had problems with developing real talents since the Sky days. EBH was great but didn't reach the expected level afterwards, Henao, Löfkvist, Dombrowski, Sivakov, Halvorsen, Sosa....

I know some of them had different issues but in general they don't really develop actual talents.

 

[Savant12]

A lot of their promising riders have had big crashes which affected their development: Bernal, Turner, Sheffield (frequently with him).

Pidcock has his hands in too many pies to be able to really develop to his maximum on the road. But I think he doesn't mind it as he still manages to obtain top results.

Then take someone like Narvaez who has really pushed on and I guess he has earned the bigger paycheck at UAE.