Teams & Riders Team Jumbo-Visma

[perico]

Was Roche 5-star in '87? He'd won Romandie and the Giro, (and nearly Paris Nice and Liege) but a GT double was always going to be a tough ask. With no Hinault or Lemond it was an open field.

I think the perception depends on the coverage. Roche was a 5 star contender according to the English media, but Delgado, Bernard, and Fignon were considered pretty much equal with him going into the Tour. Hell I remember the coverage when it was happening.

 

[Leinster]

I think the perception depends on the coverage. Roche was a 5 star contender according to the English media, but Delgado, Bernard, and Fignon were considered pretty much equal with him going into the Tour. Hell I remember the coverage when it was happening.

Yeah, Roche's win was my first exposure to pro cycling, and I remember that the Irish media only even started talking about it when he was in yellow close to the end of the race.



This thread is supposed to be about Team Jumbo Visma. What jersey was Roglic wearing today, it wasn't the regular TJV jersey, but WvA should have been wearing the leader's jersey..?

 

[Bonimenier]

This thread is supposed to be about Team Jumbo Visma. What jersey was Roglic wearing today, it wasn't the regular TJV jersey, but WvA should have been wearing the leader's jersey..?

Slovenian national champion jersey. WvA was indeed wearing the yellow leaders jersey.

 

[Breezy1985]

Slovenian national champion jersey. WvA was indeed wearing the yellow leaders jersey.

The actual champions kit he was awarded was green and blue but JV added the yellow and I find it looks annoyingly like a GC or KOM kit

 

[Bonimenier]

The actual champions kit he was awarded was green and blue but JV added the yellow and I find it looks annoyingly like a GC or KOM kit

I agree. It's ridiculous how often teams mess up champion kits.

 

[Leinster]

Not sure what would be wrong with sticking a J-V logo across the front of this;

 

[ice&fire]

Was Roche 5-star in '87? He'd won Romandie and the Giro, (and nearly Paris Nice and Liege) but a GT double was always going to be a tough ask. With no Hinault or Lemond it was an open field.

Before 1987 Delgado was a rider with Purito-level ITT who always got to the mountains 7-8 minutes behind the allrounder GC contenders. Roche was the allrounder.

Not sure what would be wrong with sticking a J-V logo across the front of this;

All Slovenian champion jerseys I recall had the flag colours (white, blue and red). I may be wrong but that looks like a derivative of their national team colours, as if the Italian champion got a blue jersey or the Dutch champion got an orange jersey instead of a jersey with their country flag colours.
Nevertheless, the point that Eurosport commentators were rightly discussing during the stage broadcast is the problem of the mostly yellow jersey of TJV, mainly as seen on hellicopter shots. Team ONCE was requested to change their regular yellow jersey colour at the Tour during the 90s. In their later years they added logos of their second sponsor and the amount of yellow decreased, so they were allowed to use their regular jersey. TJV should either add more black, use a bigger logo or change yellow to something else.

 

[Breezy1985]

They used use a white kit with a flag band like other nations this seems to be a new thing.
Also I think we might see a special JV kit for TDF

 

[Leinster]

Dumoulin doesn't like being a train driver;

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dumoulin-jumbo-visma-tactics-will-have-to-change-at-the-tour-de-france/?fbclid=IwAR0NyI70T0QJ32MXvrhYalCOaK-V8X8STg_m_yC09kLOZhyT1ZcfPuZ-MMk

So they're definitely working for Primoz, but it sounds like Tom doesn't want to throw away his chances just yet.

 

[ice&fire]

They used use a white kit with a flag band like other nations this seems to be a new thing.
Also I think we might see a special JV kit for TDF

The white kit with the flag could be mistaken with the Russian one, unless you pay close attention to the coat of arms, which can be hard to see in long shots during a race. That was the 'explanation' for the design of Roglic's kit.

 

[Lequack]

Dumoulin doesn't like being a train driver;

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dumoulin-jumbo-visma-tactics-will-have-to-change-at-the-tour-de-france/?fbclid=IwAR0NyI70T0QJ32MXvrhYalCOaK-V8X8STg_m_yC09kLOZhyT1ZcfPuZ-MMk

So they're definitely working for Primoz, but it sounds like Tom doesn't want to throw away his chances just yet.

I just wish they'd let Dumoulin or Kruijswik attack instead of the train ride.

 

[Leinster]

I just wish they'd let Dumoulin or Kruijswik attack instead of the train ride.

Yup. Kruiswijk's attack to Alpe d'Huez was one of the best day's of racing in the '18 Tour.

 

[Red Rick]

Yup. Kruiswijk's attack to Alpe d'Huez was one of the best day's of racing in the '18 Tour.

Lo Squalo lost his dorsal fin that day.

 

[Breezy1985]

The white kit with the flag could be mistaken with the Russian one, unless you pay close attention to the coat of arms, which can be hard to see in long shots during a race. That was the 'explanation' for the design of Roglic's kit.

Makes sense. I just wish the top half was not yellow

 

[Red Rick]

Makes sense. I just wish the top half was not yellow

Yeah white top half would've been great

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The Slovenian Champions' jersey has never really settled on a design.

Astana gave us two very different ones:

Lampre went with a tricolore back in the early 2010s, but a few years later regressed to the sub-Movistar approach:

(still, it's better than their first attempt when they gave Bole what was actually a Dutch national champion's jersey. It was later replaced by this much better one):

But Bahrain-Merida went with the Russian style jersey mentioned:

While Mitchelton went for the Movistar.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Dumoulin doesn't like being a train driver;

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dumoulin-jumbo-visma-tactics-will-have-to-change-at-the-tour-de-france/?fbclid=IwAR0NyI70T0QJ32MXvrhYalCOaK-V8X8STg_m_yC09kLOZhyT1ZcfPuZ-MMk

So they're definitely working for Primoz, but it sounds like Tom doesn't want to throw away his chances just yet.

Understandable, I guess, but he's likely too far off the pace, IMO.

Buchmann shows up in his first post-lockdown race and is killing it. Dumo isn't close to guys like him at the moment.

A lot of wishful thinking on his part (in the article).

 

[KZD]

They just can't stop winning.

 

[perico]

Understandable, I guess, but he's likely too far off the pace, IMO.

Buchmann shows up in his first post-lockdown race and is killing it. Dumo isn't close to guys like him at the moment.

A lot of wishful thinking on his part (in the article).

Tom looks pretty damn good to me.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Valve Pithy has never particularly been a fan to say the least.

Dumoulin looks just fine to me as well.

 

[Carols]

The team to beat in le Tour. Very deep roster and everyone seemed in good form (before crashing) or with oncoming form like Big Tom.
Hopefully Stevie and Primoz are healed by 8/29 and we see Ineos get toppled.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Valve Pithy has never particularly been a fan to say the least.

Dumoulin looks just fine to me as well.

lol I like and understand him better now. I made the call before stage 4, though. A lot can change in 2 race days. He just didn't seem to have the legs.

Looks like Buchmann is out of the Tour, or at least not fit enough to compete for the podium. Roglic probably still is the man to beat. Bernal I'm not sure of. So Bernal, Pogacar, Pinot and Dumo to compete for the podium? Sivakov maybe? I dunno. Yeah, it looks like he's up there. Batsh!t crazy Dauphiné, though.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

No Kruisjwijk in their pre-Tour high altitude camp in Tignes. Rogla will be there, but he's of course pretty banged up. Van Aert (Belgian Nationals ITT) and Martin (rest) were never scheduled to go.

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Steven Kruijswijk gaat niet mee naar hoogtestage in Tignes

Steven Kruijswijk reist niet af naar Tignes voor de hoogtestage die Jumbo-Visma na de Dauphiné heeft ingepland voor een deel van de Tourploeg. Eerst moet hij herstellen van de gevolgen van de val afgelopen zaterdag in de afdaling van de Col de Plan Bois. Binnenkort verschijnt de nieuwe...

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[Red Rick]

With how strong Bennett and Kuss are, not sure Kruijswijk is that important in the Tour squad. Dumoulin 5% better is more important than Kruijswijk or not. Kruijswijk doesn't add winning probabilities, and in the case of having to ride as a domestique, a top Dumoulin is a way bigger engine on <8% gradients.

 

[janraaskalt]

With how strong Bennett and Kuss are, not sure Kruijswijk is that important in the Tour squad. Dumoulin 5% better is more important than Kruijswijk or not. Kruijswijk doesn't add winning probabilities, and in the case of having to ride as a domestique, a top Dumoulin is a way bigger engine on <8% gradients.

If Roglic/Dumoulin aren't the strongest of the pack, but say Bernal is, you need all the power to derail the supposed Ineos train and attack them Movistar style. It doesn't look like that at the moment, but past Tours it was like that. The more riders they have high in GC, the better.