Teams & Riders Team Jumbo-Visma

[CyclistAbi]

As Horner said, it's far from over. Pogačar will attack hard, probably already today. He needs to cover only one guy now.

Roglič?

 

[Gargamel35]

Roglič?

It's Jonas this time, sorry

 

[CyclistAbi]

It's Jonas this time, sorry

We'll see.

 

[Gargamel35]

Just saw an interview with Jonas and JV team coach Heijboer. JV planned for Roglič attack on the Galibier and hopped Pogačar would take the bait and follow. That would create 2x JV attack on one Pogačar and make him work hard. They told the plan to Roglič hoping he would accept this role. He did without a question. Then just before the race they decided to attack earlier on Telegraphe. They were afraid UAE will expect Galibier attack, so a surprise attack on Telegraphe would be even better. JV coach said Roglič went totally in red to make Pogačar work as much as possible and help Jonas in his fight for yellow.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I have to commend them for gaining 2 minutes on Pogačar. From my point of view this was always the key. On how to do that and they did it. I doubt any other team could in such fashion.

But there is a big elephant in the room. Did the right rider get this advantage or not? With Roglič, considering his climbing, stomp and ITT abilities it might do. With Vingegaard i am a bit skeptical. On how could he now suddenly be able to defend this advantage against Pogačar in a week long stage race and on top of that a long ITT. JV riding the way they always ride. Like a team Pogačar always wished he had and has it now at his disposal.

Considering this was not the outcome of some sort of masterpiece tactics. But more or less about Roglič sacrificing himself for the team. Attacking from the beginning of the stage 11. Due to Roglič getting injured i guess they didn't have other options open.

But still if JV doesn't take the yellow this year. Then for *** sake please next year make sure you don't leave Rogla alone back in the bunch on a crucial stage. And do sacrifice somebody else for Rogla to gain an advantage.

 

[Bonimenier]

Turns out the wrong rider of the team has been called selfish all this time.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Apparently they have around 4 people each managing a subset of cyclist in the team. Today, when they called back van Aert. I can just imagine the bureaucracy involved.

I am leaning in favor of the idea to put Horner in the JV car.

 

[inri2000]

Sad that Roglic is out but understandable with his injury. In hindsight it's amazing that Jumbo Visma were able to get Pogacar to spend so much energy chasing him on stage 11 considering he was pretty far back in the GC and likely to be carrying an injury.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Damn. Crushweak abandoned now. What is that about?
Edit: Saw he crashed. I wasn’t watching.

 

[Eeslliw]

Turns out the wrong rider of the team has been called selfish all this time.

Lol, the amount of help Jonas recieved from Roglic in that stage 11, Pogacar didn't got from whole team combined in three years together.

 

[acm]

Turns out the wrong rider of the team has been called selfish all this time.

You can't be serious...

 

[sir fly]

They can't be happy, but shouldn't despair either.
Still enough ways to overwhelm UAE.

 

[Jumbot]

So half of the team crashes on the day of the news that Kelderman is signing...
Coincidence?

 

[Salvarani]

So half of the team crashes on the day of the news that Kelderman is signing...
Coincidence?

It might have been a bad Oomen

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So no Primoz and no Kruijswijk. Vinge will have it more difficult against Pog in the Pyrenees.

 

[Gargamel35]

Sport director of Jumbo Visma said Roglič was less then happy when they informed him he will have to abandon the race. He also said Roglič was not complaining and was hiding the extent of injuries and pain.

 

[Red Rick]

Sport director of Jumbo Visma said Roglič was less then happy when they informed him he will have to abandon the race. He also said Roglič was not complaining and was hiding the extent of injuries and pain.

Kicking the team leader out of the Tour against his will when leading the Tour with a Dane.

Coincidence? I think not.

 

[jmdirt]

So no Primoz and no Kruijswijk. Vinge will have it more difficult against Pog in the Pyrenees.

...or not since with his 2:22 all he has to do is sit on TP's wheel like he has been. Now, if he can't hold the wheel , Sepp et. all will have to come up big.

 

[jmdirt]

Rough day for JV, but they are still in a great position.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

...or not since with his 2:22 all he has to do is sit on TP's wheel like he has been. Now, if he can't hold the wheel , Sepp et. all will have to come up big.

Super strong domestiques matter if Pog decides to make a long range move. Thats exactly what the Slovenian missed on Galibier, which ended terribly for him.

 

[Salvarani]

There is a lot of pressure on Sepp Kuss shoulders right now.

Vingegaard will have to be massive next week.

There is a lot of teams that will be feeling optimistic going into next week.

 

[jmdirt]

Super strong domestiques matter if Pog decides to make a long range move. Thats exactly what the Slovenian missed on Galibier, which ended terribly for him.

I disagree. TP had a bad day. Even with 10 climbing doms he would have lost time because he was flat.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I disagree. TP had a bad day. Even with 10 climbing doms he would have lost time because he was flat.

With less effort on Galibier (more on wheels) he would have lost less and wouldnt explode like that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Looks like the issues continue with Jonas. Crash back in the bunch and not much dedicated helpers around at that point. Hence i guess it's not just down to Roglič.

Looks like there are a couple of strong clans in the team and each has their own interests. By the time stage 5 happened they managed to hamper themself without Pogi doing anything. For the next 5 stages Pogi just gained seconds against Jonas. Then the now famous 11 stage where Roglič sacrificed himself for Jonas and Jonas got a hefty advantage. Then another 5 stages Pogi could not do much. Still they losing team members due to crashes and crashing the race leader again today. Back in the bunch and more or less alone. Not much team members around when it happened. If they keep up with this they should eliminate themself before the ITT.

 

[jmdirt]

With less effort on Galibier (more on wheels) he would have lost less and wouldnt explode like that.

How much less effort does a dom provide on that climb for a guy who is struggling?