Team Jumbo-Visma

[noob]

In a way LR should have their own thread. I think it's a phenomenon in itself when a computer geek streaming pro cycling manager gets hired by the biggest cycling team in the world for tactical analysis :O

Like... it's just so wierd. From the left field to say the least.

Does this happen in other sports too???

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

In a way LR should have their own thread. I think it's a phenomenon in itself when a computer geek streaming pro cycling manager gets hired by the biggest cycling team in the world for tactical analysis :O

Like... it's just so wierd. From the left field to say the least.

Does this happen in other sports too???

I'm pretty sure football teams use the Football Manager game for scouting but that's a big programme with hundreds of trained analysts from all around the world contributing to the database rather than a java programmer and a commercial lawyer.

 

[noob]

"... rather than a java programmer and a commercial lawyer.

My stomach hurts from laughing so much

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

My stomach hurts from laughing so much

Sometimes fact is funnier than fiction.

 

[PhiLiz]

In a way LR should have their own thread. I think it's a phenomenon in itself when a computer geek streaming pro cycling manager gets hired by the biggest cycling team in the world for tactical analysis :O

Like... it's just so wierd. From the left field to say the least.

Does this happen in other sports too???

And an awful player too.

 

[noob]

And an awful player too.

Is he? I haven't watched his streamings, I had only seen him on LR.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

And an awful player too.

I don’t consider him awful, just an average player trying to have fun lol.

 

[Ripper]

Holy f-ck! They are strategic analysts to Jumbo after all! I'm shocked they've given so much cred by Jumbo :O (It's all in the beginning of the video.)

It says a bit about Jumbo's internal strategists, doesn't it?

 

[yaco]

I never realised that Benji and Patrick were up to their eyeballs in doping schemes.

 

[noob]

It says a bit about Jumbo's internal strategists, doesn't it?

Well if Benji is anything similar irl to how he appears on the podcast I'd say what's really different about him from other analysts is his warmth and non macho approach.

He tends to defend the little guy against the bigger, the rider against the team etc and just generally takes a very good guy approach to it all that's quite unique imo. Patrick is more similar to the others, but Benji is different.

Hiring him certainly doesn't quite fit with the idea of Jumbo as cold-hearted

(Again; everything can be an act of course. )

What gives me pause is that he hasn't spoken out for Rogla riding injured the way he usually would for other riders. He was really adamant in other cases...

 

[fbjim]

Their data/cyclinggraphs guy is still calling riders on other teams "mutants".

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

Adrenalin junkie celebrations at Burgos.

 

[noob]

I don't know if it's far fetched, but sometimes I wonder if some riders has had some surgery to widen nasal passages to breath easier through the nose.

 

[Rackham]

How Erik ten Hag played a role in Jumbo-Visma's Tour masterplan (nos.nl)

Erik ten Hag is also already working some of his tactical mastery at Man Utd: Manchester United 1-2 Brighton: Erik ten Hag suffers defeat in first Premier League game - BBC Sport

If he continues like that, he'll be available for a full time job in Jumbo's team car next summer (& perhaps even sooner).

 

[hrotha]

It's so funny to me that they're trying to sell "our DS's were so tactically inept we needed to bring in some football bloggers or whatever?" as anything but a huge L

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

How Erik ten Hag played a role in Jumbo-Visma's Tour masterplan (nos.nl)

Erik ten Hag is also already working some of his tactical mastery at Man Utd: Manchester United 1-2 Brighton: Erik ten Hag suffers defeat in first Premier League game - BBC Sport

If he continues like that, he'll be available for a full time job in Jumbo's team car next summer (& perhaps even sooner).

Rumour has it it they're signing half the Jumbo Visma Development Team with Scott McTominay to the Lanterne Rouge podcast as a makeweight.

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

You guys are vastly overrating this LR&Benji stuff and potential Omerta conspiracies. Jumbo have a massiv budget, they have no problems dishing out a couple of freelance contracts for stuff you otherwise would let an intern do. In the end they probably paid a medium 4 figure sum for a couple of video reports and power estimations on opponents which they knew mostly anyway and just saved them some time.
Consultancy just sounds fancy and gets people excited for no reason, in reality consultancies are 90% inconvenient work that companies can't be bothered to do themselves but have no relevance to their bigger goals. There's no way anyone would risk letting them in on some clinic relevant information or that an ego like WVA listens to what some guys from the internet advise him to do lol.
Don't get me wrong, how they dealt with the whole thing has been laughable throughout ("Look we got an objectivity clause, that means we aren't biased" hahaha) and especially their two data guys are the sort of insufferable twitter edgelords that deserve all the *** they get but I just don't see the point of the whole outrage about the topic.

As for Ten Haag, this is also purely PR nonsense, you get these sport overlaps that get huge press coverage all the time. I assume his involvement is as relevant as the famous Carmichael training systems were for Lance.

 

[samhocking]

I guess it makes sense. The guys are typically watching the majority of a bike race in order to analyse what happened that day as neutrally and objectively as they can do from TV. It's another marginal gain I guess and I doubt the team are paying them for no real gain from it. Jumbo seem to have very good budget, just look at their service course, it's on another level even to Ineos really.

 

[noob]

You guys are vastly overrating this LR&Benji stuff and potential Omerta conspiracies.
...
There's no way anyone would risk letting them in on some clinic relevant information or that an ego like WVA listens to what some guys from the internet advise him to do lol.

Has anyone suggested that? :O
If so I agree that's next level of crazy.

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Has anyone suggested that? :O
If so I agree that's next level of crazy.

Just a few pages back:

Omerta. He's part of the establishment now, getting all those rights to show highlights of races.

Patrick’s deleted tweet said it all. Thanking Merijn, Grischa and of course himself.

That whole team worked for jumbo and clearly so even if you see the last days alone.

only an omerta on jumbo now…

 

[fbjim]

Randos on the internet aren't going to be shown how the sausage is made, but yeah, hilarious that they failed to disclose a conflict of interest while accusing riders on other teams of doping

 

[Savant12]

You guys are vastly overrating this LR&Benji stuff and potential Omerta conspiracies. Jumbo have a massiv budget, they have no problems dishing out a couple of freelance contracts for stuff you otherwise would let an intern do. In the end they probably paid a medium 4 figure sum for a couple of video reports and power estimations on opponents which they knew mostly anyway and just saved them some time.
Consultancy just sounds fancy and gets people excited for no reason, in reality consultancies are 90% inconvenient work that companies can't be bothered to do themselves but have no relevance to their bigger goals. There's no way anyone would risk letting them in on some clinic relevant information or that an ego like WVA listens to what some guys from the internet advise him to do lol.
Don't get me wrong, how they dealt with the whole thing has been laughable throughout ("Look we got an objectivity clause, that means we aren't biased" hahaha) and especially their two data guys are the sort of insufferable twitter edgelords that deserve all the *** they get but I just don't see the point of the whole outrage about the topic.

As for Ten Haag, this is also purely PR nonsense, you get these sport overlaps that get huge press coverage all the time. I assume his involvement is as relevant as the famous Carmichael training systems were for Lance.

Lanterne Rouge was known for calling out suspicious and mutant cycling. But now that he's got a lot of packaging rights for highlights show from the higher-ups, that content is gone. I think someone else stated that all those previous mutant videos are now deleted.

Care to comment?

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Lanterne Rouge was known for calling out suspicious and mutant cycling. But now that he's got a lot of packaging rights for highlights show from the higher-ups, that content is gone. I think someone else stated that all those previous mutant videos are now deleted.

Care to comment?

They've been gone for a year and a half now because he doesn't have the license rights and after three strikes for copyright violation your youtube channel gets taken down. It's a standard development for youtubers really, they get big by using footage that they're technically not allowed to but no one gives a *** because the channel is too small. But once you get to a certain vierwship, the ones who own the copyright smell money and report them.

It's not only the doping videos that are gone, everything else prior to 2021 is deleted as well (except for these new RCS licensed videos from 2017 where he bought the rights).

 

[PhiLiz]

They've been gone for a year and a half now because he doesn't have the license rights and after three strikes for copyright violation your youtube channel gets taken down. It's a standard development for youtubers really, they get big by using footage that they're technically not allowed to but no one gives a *** because the channel is too small. But once you get to a certain vierwship, the ones who own the copyright smell money and report them.

It's not only the doping videos that are gone, everything else prior to 2021 is deleted as well (except for these new RCS licensed videos from 2017 where he bought the rights).

He deleted Volta a Portugal videos which for sure wouldn't have any copyright strikes since RTP doesn't give a damn about that. Same for older videos of GT's that everyone uses including videos with more views than LR. That's a very poor excuse.

 

[Izzyeviel]

It's a pretty damn good excuse actually. Youtube is incredibly harsh on this stuff, it makes zero sense risking your new business by getting flagged for copyright. People get demonetized for petty *** all the time.