Team Jumbo-Visma

[roundabout]

he is obviously better now than the very best Cofidis Laporte

 

[Bonimenier]

he is obviously better now than the very best Cofidis Laporte

That's true, but the difference between the two versions is smaller than people think.

 

[senna6541]

They continue to make a mockery of things. Everyone seems to gain a few %'s at JV "because of the preparation". Couldn't care less about their lesser riders, but the fact that WVA is taking advantage of this "preparation" sucks.

 

[Ripper]

That's true, but the difference between the two versions is smaller than people think.

Also, it is worth noting that transformations when exiting Confidis to any team are not necessarily indicative of anything other than the fact that Confidis sucks and tend to make anyone worse

 

[Breh]

Who left Cofidis and improved massively? Are there any amazing talents they ran into the ground?

 

[fbjim]

Who left Cofidis and improved massively? Are there any amazing talents they ran into the ground?

for the latter, Viviani.

 

[Breh]

Is he doing better now at Ineos?
Did he drop off enormously because he left Quick step or joined Cofidis?

 

[SHAD0W93]

Is he doing better now at Ineos?
Did he drop off enormously because he left Quick step or joined Cofidis?

Yeah he won 6 times with Cofidis and only once with Ineos. Even first stint with Sky/Ineos he had the same wins as three years with Liquigas/Cannondale. Viviani didn’t become tone of the best until Quickstep.

 

[F_Cance]

unreal. That's so out of nowhere

 

[Mayomaniac]

That special Jumbo sauce is something else...
Foss is a potential top 10 guy on this kind of route under normal circumstances, but this is an outliner.

 

[therealthing]

Totally normal performance from a rider who had previously never won a race outside of a national championships

 

[Netserk]

Promising for Wout.

 

[BR2]

Now after Vingegaards Tour Foss randomly wins. This team is nothing but annoying anymore.

 

[AlfaLum]

In cycling history, if something seemed too good to be true, it usually was too good to be true.

This seems TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE in capital letters. I just hope it really is the more professional approach this time…

 

[Mayomaniac]

Totally normal performance from a rider who had previously never won a race outside of a national championships

Not winning would be one thing if he was constantly on the podium against world class opposition, but he isn't.
Also, didn't Leknessund have his number in the junior and u23 nc tts?

 

[Pantani Attacks]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571399651605073923

View: https://twitter.com/OutOfCycling/status/1571399651605073923?s=20&t=kQ_1Q3Ep4Lv9Rn3EFlUPoA


Remco's reaction says it all.

 

[Ghirmay4Ever]

The Norway "Big Sporting Championship" Asthma abuse Special + Jumbo-Visma juice = lethal cocktail.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Will they put him on a weight loss programm next season and try to turn him into a legit gt contender?

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Foss latest ITT results:

-1st, 2022 UCI ITT world championships
-9th, 2022 Deutschland Tour Prologue
-1st, 2022 Norwegian ITT champs (only WT rider in the race)
-8th, 2022 Giro d'Italia stage 21 ITT
-6th, 2022 Giro d'Italia stage 2 ITT
-4th, 2022 Volta ao Algarve stage 4 ITT (1 min behind Remco, also behind Kung and Hayter)
-23rd, 2021 Tokyo Olympic Games ITT
-1st, 2021 Norwegian ITT champs
-12th, 2021 Giro d'Italia stage 21 ITT
-3rd, 2021 Giro d'Italia stage 1 ITT
-4th, 2021 Itzulia Basque country stage 1 ITT
-18th, 2021 Tirreno Adriatico stage 7 ITT.

He has a decent ITT pedigree, is relatively young, only 10s separated the podium and a number of favourites weren't there, had suboptimal schedules or had bad luck.

For me, it is not a massive WTF performance, but with the wider Jumbo context this year and quite a big leap from his previous level, it is understandable that people are concerneds

 

[BR2]

Foss latest ITT results:

-1st, 2022 UCI ITT world championships
-9th, 2022 Deutschland Tour Prologue
-1st, 2022 Norwegian ITT champs (only WT rider in the race)
-8th, 2022 Giro d'Italia stage 21 ITT
-6th, 2022 Giro d'Italia stage 2 ITT
-4th, 2022 Volta ao Algarve stage 4 ITT (1 min behind Remco, also behind Kung and Hayter)
-23rd, 2021 Tokyo Olympic Games ITT
-1st, 2021 Norwegian ITT champs
-12th, 2021 Giro d'Italia stage 21 ITT
-3rd, 2021 Giro d'Italia stage 1 ITT
-4th, 2021 Itzulia Basque country stage 1 ITT
-18th, 2021 Tirreno Adriatico stage 7 ITT.

He has a decent ITT pedigree, is relatively young, only 10s separated the podium and a number of favourites weren't there, had suboptimal schedules or had bad luck.

For me, it is not a massive WTF performance, but with the wider Jumbo context this year and quite a big leap from his previous level, it is understandable that people are concerneds

Yeah, that's how I feel. On its own one can find reasons for this performance (special circumstances especially with the possible jet lag), but it's a pretty eye-catching one after three years of constant stronger and stronger Jumbo performances from surely very talented, but formerly not stand out riders - I don't think their material and tt preparation is so much better than all others', I think their strength really only shows itself in the TTs, they are also extremely strong in the road races, but in those there are other factors coming into play, while in the time trials the team just shows pure dominance because that's how strong their riders are / can be.

I mean it's not sure this is a Jumbo inflicted performance, because it's for the national team, but one just sees the whole picture and it's not a nice one, so I just can't be happy about a win that otherwise I might have viewed as a nice upset.

 

[Red Rick]

Compared to the Algarve TT it's not too out of the ordinary if Evenepoel just has Vuelta fatigue.

 

[Red Rick]

World Championship TT - Tobias S's 33.9 km bike ride

🥇🤯

www.strava.com

Strava file with power

420W average.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Strava file with power

420W average.

LOL, insane.

Could also mean that Küng and Hayter had their best TT performance to date...

 

[Red Rick]

LOL, insane.

Could also mean that Küng and Hayter had their best TT performance to date...

Foss isn't some tiny dude it's like 5.7-5.8 W/kg at sea level

 

[Mayomaniac]

Foss isn't some tiny dude it's like 5.7-5.8 W/kg at sea level

Walscheid also did 450W at last years wc and Ganna was pushing 460W for over 30min in tts at the age of 20/21. That said, watts alone aren't a great indicator in non-mountain tts and this one had lots of technical corners and those short hills. Cornering and accelerating again and again were a big factor today.