The Better Overall Rider, Boonen or Cancellara?

[Miburo]

This should be fun. Not only cobblestones now.

The overall better rider?

Pro-Boonen: 3xRVV, 4xPR, 1xWC RR, 6 stages Tdf, green jersey, stages vuelta, 3xGW, 4xE3, 2xbelgian champion (more relevant than suisse champion I would say lol)

Pro-Cancellara: 1xRVV, 2xPR, 4xWC TT, 1xOlympic gold TT and 3th in RR, 2xE3, 1xMS, 1xTDS, 1xTA, stages vuelta, 8 stages Tdf (btw a lot of days in yellow).

Both of them podium'd a lot too. For example: MS '11 and '12 Canc was 2nd. And in '07 and '10 Boonen was 3th and 2nd. PR '02 and '06 Boonen was 3th and 2nd (train-thing though). PR'08 and '11 Canc was 2nd.

Obviously results don't say everything. I'm just putting out there.

 

[Netserk]

Currently or over time?

 

[Jason_Mercier]

Of course Fabian.

 

[Miburo]

Currently or over time?

Overtime, why do you think I showed their results? lol

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Cancellara takes it, but Boonen has been spectacular and effective.
In any case luckily we have both at the same time competing.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Cance and again a poll yay

 

[mr. tibbs]

I voted Boonen in the cobbles poll because he's the best cobblestone rider in the peloton right now; I voted Cancellara in this poll because he's a better overall rider than Boonen.

I wish this poll had been posted at the same time as the other one, because a lot of the posters in support of Cancellara in the other thread were really replying to this prompt instead of judging who is the best on cobblestones alone.

 

[al_pacino]

Meh!

Both excel in one day races(of varying types). One of them has been world class against the clock while the other has been more than competitive in bunch sprints. One is more likely to ride away from a group but the other can win from a selection. Neither will win a stage race with anything approaching a serious mountain.

 

[Miburo]

I voted Boonen in the cobbles poll because he's the best cobblestone rider in the peloton right now; I voted Cancellara in this poll because he's a better overall rider than Boonen.

I wish this poll had been posted at the same time as the other one, because a lot of the posters in support of Cancellara in the other thread were really replying to this prompt instead of judging who is the best on cobblestones alone.

I know. That's why I posted this thread. Better late than never

 

[Echoes]

Cancellara, of course.

He's got the better engine. Boonen wins more but that is because of his outstanding sprinting skills and because having a good sprint is more lethal today than used to be.

 

[Netserk]

Boonen:

Canc:

Canc better in 2008-2011
Boonen better in 2012 and before 2008

 

[Afrank]

Tough one, on one hand you have Boonen's sprint which got him plenty of wins, on the other hand you have Cane's ability to obliterate a entire peloton and ride away from everyone.

I'll go with Cancellara, much more epic when he wins, especially when it is a road race.

 

[Peyote]

Close, but i voted Boonen

see link: http://translate.google.be/translat...ww.angelfire.com/nt2/wielerranglijst/&act=url

List

Cycling Ranking 1946 - 2012
1 EDDY MERCKX (BEL) 2625,000
2 Bernard Hinault (Fra) 1685,833
3 Jacques Anquetil (Fra) 1410,000
4 Fausto Coppi (Ita) 1162,000 (1205,500)
5 Lance Armstrong (Vst) * 1157,917
6 Miguel Indurain (Spa) 1074,000
7 Felice Gimondi (Ita) 1068,500
8 Sean Kelly (Ier) 1065,500
9 Joop Zoetemelk (Ned) 1048,000
10 Francesco Moser (Ita) 979,500
11 Gino Bartali (Ita) 946,500 (1244,000)
12 Raymond Poulidor (Fra) 912,000
13 Louison Bobet (Fra) 902,000
14 Rik van Looy (Bel) 824,000
15 Roger de Vlaeminck (Bel) 823,500
16 Toni Rominger (Zwi) 755,083
17 Greg Lemond (Vst) 748,000
18 Jan Ullrich (Dui) 746,333
19 Laurent Jalabert (Fra) 707,000
20 Ferdi Kübler (Zwi) 698,000 (711,000)
21 Freddy Maertens (Bel) 670,167
22 Johan Museeuw (Bel) 628,250
23 Laurent Fignon (Fra) 623,500
24 Giuseppe Saronni (Ita) 608,000
25 Paolo Bettini (Ita) 590,917
26 Fiorenzo Magni (Ita) 588,000 (589,500)
27 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) 587,000
28 Erik Zabel (Dui) 580,917
29 Jan Janssen (Ned) 556,500
30 Luis Ocaña (Spa) 554,500
31 Pedro Delgado (Spa) 544,000
32 Cadel Evans (Aus) 543,000
33 Gianni Bugno (Ita) 539,250
34 Alberto Contador (Spa) 534,000
35 Lucien van Impe (Bel) 526,000
36 Herman van Springel (Bel) 520,000
37 Tom Boonen (Bel) 494,917
38 Charly Gaul (Lux) 494,000
39 Claudio Chiappucci (Ita) 487,000
40 Jan Raas (Ned) 487,000
41 Bernard Thévenet (Fra) 480,667
42 Alex Zülle (Zwi) 476,667
43 Rik van Steenbergen (Bel) 471,000 (489,000)
44 Davide Rebellin (Ita) 469,250
45 Stephen Roche (Ier) 465,333
46 Fabian Cancellara (Zwi) 458,000
47 Michele Bartoli (Ita) 453,500
48 Stan Ockers (Bel) 450,000 (455,500)
49 Charly Mottet (Fra) 441,917
50 Hugo Koblet (Zwi) 431,000
51 Hennie Kuiper (Ned) 429,500
52 Philippe Gilbert (Bel) 421,000
53 Moreno Argentin (Ita) 400,500
54 Fred de Bruyne (Bel) 397,250
55 Walter Godefroot (Bel) 391,000
56 Oscar Freire (Spa) 390,667
57 Federico Bahamontes (Spa) 389,500
58 Aleksandr Vinokoerov (Kaz) 388,000
59 Joaquim Rodriguez (Spa) 378,500
60 Mario Cipollini (Ita) 372,500

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Close, but i voted Boonen

see link: http://translate.google.be/translat...ww.angelfire.com/nt2/wielerranglijst/&act=url

List

Cycling Ranking 1946 - 2012
1 EDDY MERCKX (BEL) 2625,000
2 Bernard Hinault (Fra) 1685,833
3 Jacques Anquetil (Fra) 1410,000
4 Fausto Coppi (Ita) 1162,000 (1205,500)
5 Lance Armstrong (Vst) * 1157,917
6 Miguel Indurain (Spa) 1074,000
7 Felice Gimondi (Ita) 1068,500
8 Sean Kelly (Ier) 1065,500
9 Joop Zoetemelk (Ned) 1048,000
10 Francesco Moser (Ita) 979,500
11 Gino Bartali (Ita) 946,500 (1244,000)
12 Raymond Poulidor (Fra) 912,000
13 Louison Bobet (Fra) 902,000
14 Rik van Looy (Bel) 824,000
15 Roger de Vlaeminck (Bel) 823,500
16 Toni Rominger (Zwi) 755,083
17 Greg Lemond (Vst) 748,000
18 Jan Ullrich (Dui) 746,333
19 Laurent Jalabert (Fra) 707,000
20 Ferdi Kübler (Zwi) 698,000 (711,000)
21 Freddy Maertens (Bel) 670,167
22 Johan Museeuw (Bel) 628,250
23 Laurent Fignon (Fra) 623,500
24 Giuseppe Saronni (Ita) 608,000
25 Paolo Bettini (Ita) 590,917
26 Fiorenzo Magni (Ita) 588,000 (589,500)
27 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) 587,000
28 Erik Zabel (Dui) 580,917
29 Jan Janssen (Ned) 556,500
30 Luis Ocaña (Spa) 554,500
31 Pedro Delgado (Spa) 544,000
32 Cadel Evans (Aus) 543,000
33 Gianni Bugno (Ita) 539,250
34 Alberto Contador (Spa) 534,000
35 Lucien van Impe (Bel) 526,000
36 Herman van Springel (Bel) 520,000
37 Tom Boonen (Bel) 494,917
38 Charly Gaul (Lux) 494,000
39 Claudio Chiappucci (Ita) 487,000
40 Jan Raas (Ned) 487,000
41 Bernard Thévenet (Fra) 480,667
42 Alex Zülle (Zwi) 476,667
43 Rik van Steenbergen (Bel) 471,000 (489,000)
44 Davide Rebellin (Ita) 469,250
45 Stephen Roche (Ier) 465,333
46 Fabian Cancellara (Zwi) 458,000
47 Michele Bartoli (Ita) 453,500
48 Stan Ockers (Bel) 450,000 (455,500)
49 Charly Mottet (Fra) 441,917
50 Hugo Koblet (Zwi) 431,000
51 Hennie Kuiper (Ned) 429,500
52 Philippe Gilbert (Bel) 421,000
53 Moreno Argentin (Ita) 400,500
54 Fred de Bruyne (Bel) 397,250
55 Walter Godefroot (Bel) 391,000
56 Oscar Freire (Spa) 390,667
57 Federico Bahamontes (Spa) 389,500
58 Aleksandr Vinokoerov (Kaz) 388,000
59 Joaquim Rodriguez (Spa) 378,500
60 Mario Cipollini (Ita) 372,500

so according to this Evans is a better cyclist than Contador?

 

[Peyote]

so according to this Evans is a better cyclist than Contador?

Yeah it doesn't look right but Evans is 5 years older then Contador. And Alberto lost many points... we all know why..
So it's difficult to compare both at this point.

Boonen and Cancellara are same age and started cycling around the same time. So they are comparable.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Yeah it doesn't look right but Evans is 5 years older then Contador. And Alberto lost many points... we all know why..
So it's difficult to compare both at this point.

Boonen and Cancellara are same age and started cycling around the same time. So they are comparable.

Perhaps, just find these ranking rather difficult to take at face value.

 

[Panda Claws]

I really don't see how Lance Armstrong can be above Sean Kelly.

 

[Panda Claws]

I really don't see how Lance Armstrong can be above Sean Kelly.

Especially now

 

[Ferminal]

Why do you need a poll if you're just going to compare results, that's easy.

 

[ElChingon]

Without the cobbles Boonen is like a bike with no wheels.

 

[El Pistolero]

Without the cobbles Boonen is like a bike with no wheels.

Again this nonsense.

- World champion on the road: much better than WC in the TT.
- Green jersey in the Tour + 6 Tour stages.
- 2 Vuelta stages.
- Second and third in Milan-San Remo.
- Second in Paris-Tours after an impressive race from him.
- World champion TTT: least important WC, but it's not on cobbles is it?
- 7 stage race wins: 4x Tour of Qatar(good field and wind plays an important role), 1x Tour of Belgium, 1x Tour de Picardie, 1x World Ports Classic(good field and wind played a big role.)
- Second to Cancellara in the Vuelta prologue. 11th in the longer Vuelta time trial where he crashed.
- Belgian champion in Aywaille, beating Philippe Gilbert.

And he could've won more green jerseys if it wasn't for all his bad luck in the Tour.

 

[TeoSheva]

Îsn't Gilbert the best?

 

[Pentacycle]

Again this nonsense.

- World champion on the road: much better than WC in the TT.
- Green jersey in the Tour + 6 Tour stages.
- 2 Vuelta stages.
- Second and third in Milan-San Remo.
- Second in Paris-Tours after an impressive race from him.
- World champion TTT: least important WC, but it's not on cobbles is it?
- 7 stage race wins: 4x Tour of Qatar(good field and wind plays an important role), 1x Tour of Belgium, 1x Tour de Picardie, 1x World Ports Classic(good field and wind played a big role.)
- Second to Cancellara in the Vuelta prologue. 11th in the longer Vuelta time trial where he crashed.
- Belgian champion in Aywaille, beating Philippe Gilbert.

And he could've won more green jerseys if it wasn't for all his bad luck in the Tour.

Has Boonen ever done this?

 

[El Pistolero]

Has Boonen ever done this?

Why would he? He can sprint.

 

[the asian]

Cancellara shades it for me.

If he ever becomes world champion on the road, would be a clear winner. That's the main thing Tom's got over him.