the Black Sheep of the peloton

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So, lets start a topic on the black sheep of the peloton. Disgraced riders, [former] heroes of the tifosi. Why were some riders made to pay for the misuse of EPO/bloodbags while others got of the hook or came away with mild sentences?

Lets make the starting point at januari 1997, the year the 50% hematocrit level was put in place by the UCI.

1997:
Claudio Chiapucci [capuccino sometimes named by some] gets popped two times for a high haematocrit level. The then 34 year old is sentenced to a two time 15 days rest period and is allowed to ride for 2 years and is still a hero for the tifosi.

Multimillionair.

1998:
* The Festina Affair/Richard Virenque
Consequences, Virenque is - mostly due to his non confession kind of mind - treated as he should be by the grand public but remains the hero for the French.

Multimillionair.

* Gilberto Simoni [still a pretty small fish back then] has a positive 50% on the Volta a Portugal

Multimillionair.

1999:
* Pantani gets popped at the fifth of june for a 52% haematocrit level. Leading the Giro by a lot of time.

What happened after this is quite the story. Haunted by press, CONI, pushed by his teammanagers, teamdoctors untill he cracked and sniffed himself with coke to a brainhemarrage [spelling?] on februari 14th 2004.

Dead.

* Frank Vandenbroucke tests positive for amphetamines, has a 'bumpy' next ten years with press hunting him and dies in the bed of a hooker in Africa.

Dead.

* Dario Frigo gets a 15 days rest

Multimillionair.

* Erik Dekker gets popped at the Worlds for a to high heamatocrit and gets cleared by his sponsor. The Dutch cycling press is all over the place with severe questions; NOT.
Had a great carreer afterwards, no questions asked on his supranatural performances, now has a nice job at Blanco Racing.
Compare this:
http://www.ublad.uu.nl/WebObjects/UOL.woa/1/wa/Ublad/archief?id=1013986

Marx: "Central to our study was an analysis of the blood tests that Dekker had undergone the last three years that there were many, only in 1999 fourteen, with not only the hematocrit values, but also all kinds of iron parameters and other provisions Those checks allowed.. as constant image that it is unlikely that Dekker has used. EPA at any time the high value must therefore be caused by abnormal conditions in the control. There is only pricked and therefore has the tourniquet over a minute to arm the rider seated. This can greatly affect different blood values​​. It's not something that preferably ongestuwd blood is used. "for scientific research

to this:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hem...sible-to-clear-erik-dekker-of-epo-use-in-1999

Hematologist: it was not possible to clear Erik Dekker of EPO use in 1999

Multimillionair.

2000:
At last, Berzin gets popped, gets a deserved 15 days rest.

Multimillionair.

2001:
* Team Doctor Alberto Beltran is arrested with HGH and corticos, teammanager Gianni Savio fires him, he is of course innocenti. Is kinda still active in the pro - peloton.

* the San Remo raids in the Giro d'Italia
http://www.dopeology.org/incidents/Blitz-raids-[List-51]/
Please, look for yourself the careerpath for the people involved.

* Andrei Mikhailov, now doctor at Katusha, gets convicted by French courts for doping practices. He had only 200 ampules of ePo in his car when he got stopped by the French police.

2002:
* Simoni again gets a positive test, this time for cocaine. Just had a bad dentist.

Multimillionair.

* Der Jan Ullrich tesst positive for a party drug.
Of course the cycling world is filled with apologies.
Jan had a nice carreer afterwards up to the point he got bust with the Fuentes blood bags.

Multimillionair.

* Garzelli gets popped for probenic, the same sh!t Delgado used in 1988 to mask his dope.

Multimillionair.

2003:
* The Johan Museeuw cry baby story, cried a little, a hero to the Belgians/Flemish.

Multimillionair.

* Manzano almost dies at the Tour de France after a real bad bag of fake blood, lets call it that. Brings down the whole blood dope ring of Fuentes.

Broke.

2004:
* David Millar gets popped for EPO, in the presence of the naive Dave Braislfraud.

Multimillionair.

* Hamilton is busted for using bloodbags who arent his. Writes a book about it and become a:

Multimillionair.

And, lets not forget, nowadays a 'hero'.

2005:
* Frigo gets arrested in possecion of Epo

Multimillionair.

* Heras tests positive for EpO at the Vuelta.

Multimillionair.

* The complete staff of Phonak resigns after the 200th positve test of their riders.

Staff is nowadays alive and kicking in the peloton.

Multimillionairs.






And so on.
[Ricco etc etc]


Resta in pace Marco, Frank, and all the others that died because of the millions that were to be earned.

Please feel free to add/or correct me if u feel I am wrong/ people.

I will add in the weekend.

 

[ultimobici]

Berzin isn't all that well off, living round the back of a car dealership.

Plus he doesn't look like he'll be living a long time with those chins!

BTW, its multimillionaire. Spellcheck is your friend!

 

[King Boonen]

Contador...

 

[Zweistein]

So, lets start a topic on the black sheep of the peloton. Disgraced riders, [former] heroes of the tifosi. Why were some riders made to pay for the misuse of EPO/bloodbags while others got of the hook or came away with mild sentences?

Lets make the starting point at januari 1997, the year the 50% hematocrit level was put in place by the UCI.

1997:
Claudio Chiapucci [capuccino sometimes named by some] gets popped two times for a high haematocrit level. The then 34 year old is sentenced to a two time 15 days rest period and is allowed to ride for 2 years and is still a hero for the tifosi.

Multimillionair.

1998:
* The Festina Affair/Richard Virenque
Consequences, Virenque is - mostly due to his non confession kind of mind - treated as he should be by the grand public but remains the hero for the French.

Multimillionair.

* Gilberto Simoni [still a pretty small fish back then] has a positive 50% on the Volta a Portugal

Multimillionair.

1999:
* Pantani gets popped at the fifth of june for a 52% haematocrit level. Leading the Giro by a lot of time.

What happened after this is quite the story. Haunted by press, CONI, pushed by his teammanagers, teamdoctors untill he cracked and sniffed himself with coke to a brainhemarrage [spelling?] on februari 14th 2004.

Dead.

* Frank Vandenbroucke tests positive for amphetamines, has a 'bumpy' next ten years with press hunting him and dies in the bed of a hooker in Africa.

Dead.

* Dario Frigo gets a 15 days rest

Multimillionair.

* Erik Dekker gets popped at the Worlds for a to high heamatocrit and gets cleared by his sponsor. The Dutch cycling press is all over the place with severe questions; NOT.
Had a great carreer afterwards, no questions asked on his supranatural performances, now has a nice job at Blanco Racing.
Compare this:
http://www.ublad.uu.nl/WebObjects/UOL.woa/1/wa/Ublad/archief?id=1013986

to this:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hem...sible-to-clear-erik-dekker-of-epo-use-in-1999


Multimillionair.

2000:
At last, Berzin gets popped, gets a deserved 15 days rest.

Multimillionair.

2001:
* Team Doctor Alberto Beltran is arrested with HGH and corticos, teammanager Gianni Savio fires him, he is of course innocenti. Is kinda still active in the pro - peloton.

* the San Remo raids in the Giro d'Italia
http://www.dopeology.org/incidents/Blitz-raids-[List-51]/
Please, look for yourself the careerpath for the people involved.

* Andrei Mikhailov, now doctor at Katusha, gets convicted by French courts for doping practices. He had only 200 ampules of ePo in his car when he got stopped by the French police.

2002:
* Simoni again gets a positive test, this time for cocaine. Just had a bad dentist.

Multimillionair.

* Der Jan Ullrich tesst positive for a party drug.
Of course the cycling world is filled with apologies.
Jan had a nice carreer afterwards up to the point he got bust with the Fuentes blood bags.

Multimillionair.

* Garzelli gets popped for probenic, the same sh!t Delgado used in 1988 to mask his dope.

Multimillionair.

2003:
* The Johan Museeuw cry baby story, cried a little, a hero to the Belgians/Flemish.

Multimillionair.

* Manzano almost dies at the Tour de France after a real bad bag of fake blood, lets call it that. Brings down the whole blood dope ring of Fuentes.

Broke.

2004:
* David Millar gets popped for EPO, in the presence of the naive Dave Braislfraud.

Multimillionair.

* Hamilton is busted for using bloodbags who arent his. Writes a book about it and become a:

Multimillionair.

And, lets not forget, nowadays a 'hero'.

2005:
* Frigo gets arrested in possecion of Epo

Multimillionair.

* Heras tests positive for EpO at the Vuelta.

Multimillionair.

* The complete staff of Phonak resigns after the 200th positve test of their riders.

Staff is nowadays alive and kicking in the peloton.

Multimillionairs.






And so on.
[Ricco etc etc]


Resta in pace Marco, Frank, and all the others that died because of the millions that were to be earned.

Please feel free to add/or correct me if u feel I am wrong/ people.

I will add in the weekend.

Why not bring up also the **** team management? (Saiz, Carmichael, Bruyneel, ect) How Carmichael managed to find work after doping junior riders is beyond me.

And **** former riders champions who basically promote doping? Merckx introducing Lance to Dr.Ferrari, Hinault saying French rider are just "lazy".

And **** enforcement by the UCI?

Also, you forgot the biggest black sheep.

Grey Manrod

But I don't think it is as simple as you put it. There are probably some hardcore dopers who did well in the sport and hated it. I would guess most in the peloton would welcome some magic test which would clean up the sport entirely.

 

[zlev11]

is Dario Frigo really a multi-millionaire? that's pretty awesome, actually.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So, lets start a topic on the black sheep of the peloton. Disgraced riders, [former] heroes of the tifosi. Why were some riders made to pay for the misuse of EPO/bloodbags while others got of the hook or came away with mild sentences?

...........

Well the 'black sheep' has to be Georges Mouton ...... (gettit?? Mouton=sheep -thank you, I am here all week)

Frank Vandenbroucke (MrBookmaker.com-Palmans) will have to front the correctional court in Dendermonde next Monday in order to answer questions about the banned substances that were seized from his home in February, 2002. Vandenbroucke has already served a sporting sanction for drug possession, but he is also being accused of contravening Belgium's drug laws by importing and possessing hormonal products, risking a five year jail term. It is alleged that he bought the drugs from sports doctor Georges Mouton for €7,436. Mouton was caught several years ago for prescribing doping products.

Sportwereld.be published a list of the substances that were found in a cupboard in VDB's garage. The list included Clenbuterol (beta-2 agonist), which was found in Ventipilmin Granulaat; Erythropoetin, which was found in Aranesp, Neorecormon and various syringes with blood traces on them. Vandenbroucke is also suspected of importing Aranesp from Germany; Somatropine (growth hormone), found in Genotonorm, which VDB is suspected to have bought in Spain; Undecanoaat (hormonal testosterone product), found in Delapride; Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA, testosterone precursor); Androstenedione (testosterone precursor); Synacthen (corticosteroid); Pregnenolone (steroidal hormone) and morphine (narcotic analgesic).

 

[Catwhoorg]

Millar they guy who nearly went bankrupt ? And only finally organized his tax collections due to the French Authorities fairly recently (2008 IIRC without looking it up in his book)

Doubt he is in any way a millionaire (let alone a multimillionaire)

Whilst i agree with your sentiment over all (that dopers shouldn't prosper), I think your perception is not the same as the reality.

 

[blackcat]

but the thing is, Ricco and guys like Bernie Kohl, are no different, from anyone NOT caught. Which is basically the entire pointy end of the peloton. The pointy end, led by Cavendish, Wiggins, and Cancellara in unanimity, excoriating these riders, who do not buy in to the politics of the peloton.

 

[Square-pedaller]

1998:
* The Festina Affair/Richard Virenque
Consequences, Virenque is - mostly due to his non confession kind of mind - treated as he should be by the grand public but remains the hero for the French.

This is not true. He is widely ridiculed by the French.
I watched several of the TdFs that Armstrong 'won' on French TV. In the coverage of the final day of one of them France 2 (French TV channel) presented the results of a survey of the most-disliked sportsmen. Virenque figured widely, and in one age group of respondent, actually 'beat' Armstrong.

 

[IndianCyclist]

I think Vinokourov is probably the black sheep who succeeded to the maximum. He got busted in 2007 for homologous blood doping. Came back after 2 years ban when the cycling authorities in his country gave him only one year ban. Won the LBL and stages in TDF as well as Olympic road race as a farewell gift. Closely associated with Cycling in Kazakhstan and VIP in Astana management. No drop in popularity in own country. So rich that he can afford to offer Kolobnev a bribe of €150,000.
In contrast Kashechkin, a sort of a pariah after he got caught due in part to Vino.

 

[thirteen]

Well the 'black sheep' has to be Georges Mouton ...... (gettit?? Mouton=sheep -thank you, I am here all week)

oh lord, that made me laugh! (i must be slipping) thank you, Dr Mas

 

[pmcg76]

What a misleading thread trying to say that Pantani and Vandenbroucke were hounded to their deaths whilst other got off untouched.

There was one very clear differences between Pantani/Vandenbroucke and the others and that was that they both had major psychological issues.

Both riders got many chances to continue their career's after their troubles unlike many riders, how many teams gave Vandenbroucke a chance and he screwed everyone of them owing to his personal issues.

Likewise Pantani had a super fragile mentality, look at how Pantani is regarded nowadays, he is still regarded as a huge hero so to say that cycling turned on him is incorrect. If he had come back post Ht suspension like he was before, he would have been hailed as a hero like before.

If Pantani/Vandenbroucke had had the mentality of Armstrong for example, chances are they would still be alive and millionaires as well.

Issue's like depression are common across all spheres of life and there are issue's e.g. breaking up with a partner etc, which will cause some people to lose it completely e.g. suicide, whilst most people will struggle through or even sail through untouched.

Pantani/Vandenbroucke did not end up the way they were because they were regarded as black sheep but because they had clear psychological problems.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Grey Manrod.

Feel free to add.

is Dario Frigo really a multi-millionaire?

When Vaughters was on 300.000 at Credit Agricole, what do you think guys like Frigo were earning?

Well the 'black sheep' has to be Georges Mouton ...... (gettit?? Mouton=sheep -thank you, I am here all week)

A nice one.

Doubt he is in any way a millionaire (let alone a multimillionaire).

Because he messed up doesnt mean he wasnt a millionair.

but the thing is, Ricco and guys like Bernie Kohl, are no different, from anyone NOT caught. Which is basically the entire pointy end of the peloton. The pointy end, led by Cavendish, Wiggins, and Cancellara in unanimity, excoriating these riders, who do not buy in to the politics of the peloton.

Bingo.

Lets move to:

2006:
* Floyd Landis gets caught for testosterone, loses his Tour win, plays the game of omerta and still is outcasted by the peloton. After his suspension nobody wants to give him a spot on their team and eventually he tells all. The man who brought Juan Pelota to the ground.

Hopefully in the future a multi millionair.

* Robobasso gets caught up in the bloodbagrefridgerator in Madrid, tells squad to the authorities and after his suspension is again a happy camper inside the warm belly of the peloton.

Needless to say he is a multi millionair.

* Jan Ullrich. Same as Robobasso but he just quits cycling. Is still the nice bloke he always has been.

Multi.

2007:
* Michael Rasmussen and Alberto Contador think it is okay to sprint up mountains like Mario Andretti in an EPO free year. The chickenwannabee is thrown out of the Tour by his own team, the other sprinter was just naturally gifted to do such. Rasmussen shuts up untill it suits him and his lawsuit against his former employer.

Multi millionair in the near future.

* The Telekom admissions. All those tears from Bjarne, Erik and the other Telekom boys. They are really sorry and now have great jobs as teammanagers.

Multi millionairs.

* Jorg Jaksche breaks the omerta, does a tell al lot and is never back in pro - cycling. Must be because he has a difficult character.

Is now a happy man and is going to university.

* Johan 'the Lion of Flandres' Museeuw admits do doping in the last stages of his carreer. The once nice sprinter turned into on of the greatest cobblestoneracers with a little help from doctor Yvan Vanmol. He even wrote a nice book where he covered up his carreer full of doping.

Multi millionair and still the Lion for the Flandriens.

* Vino, Vino, Vino. Who doesnt like his grinta? The big budded Kazakh who is able to climb with the best gets the wrong bloodbag and gets his two year rest period. Trains hard in those years and at age 49 is able to do very well due to the cleanliness of the peloton. The peloton loves him. Is that because he kept and keeps his mouth shut?

Multi millionair and owner of the nation Kazakhstan.

2008:
The year of the Truce

* Bruno Neves has a heart attack while riding the Classica de Amarante. His shell shocked team inmediately stop their doping practises but forget to dispose of the blood bags.

* Ricardinho Ricco, the most hardcore doper of them all. Everybody had stopped doping but not this one. What a bad guy. Bad bad Riccardo.
Riccardo does a tell nothing, trains hard for two years and just seems not to be able to transfuse himself properly after all those years.

When the peloton speaks of doping they actually mean Ricco.

Will be back in 10 years time doing a Vino.

* Bernie Kohl, the king of the mountains of the Tour, does a tell all on his doping past and gets a lifetime ban as a bonus for his openness.

Good to see him being punished while the complete staff of that beautifull Gerolsteiner is still in buisiness. They are even invited to MPCC meetings, all for clean cycling!

Bernie seems to have a bike shop these days.

* Dear Frankie Schleck admits to have bought training plans from the Spanish gyenacologist. Nothing wrong with that Frank, just use xipamide when your microdosing misfires. And, keep your mouth shut, you will be welcomed back by your peers and we will enjoy you and your brother at the Vuelta.

multi millionair

2009:
* Juan Pelota, the man with no results between 1996 and 2009, makes a comeback in the belly of the peloton and is a victim of numerous bromances. Even riders who knew he was doping at that Tour keep on loving him untill that januari 2013 day when Juan admits he was clean at the 2009 Tour de France.

Bet Juan feels sorry he didnt give Floyd a ride on his team.
He runs a bikeshop in Austin these days, he even has some friends in his basement.

* Tommy D. aka Thomas Dekker gets popped for ePo, it only took the UCI one and a half year to nail him. Dekker signs an agreement with Rabo what in fact says 'shut up and you get a lot of $$' takes a two year vacation and is welcomed back by the clean cycling guru's of Garmin where Thomas' real talent comes forward.

When Rabo explodes in 2012, and his dont tell contract is nullified, he does a tell all at the NADA.

multi millionair

* Danilo di Luca gets a Cera positive at the Giro, where he almost beats the cleaner than clean Denis Menchov. With the help of his priest amigo he comes clean, confesses to a carreer filled with doping practises and at the age of 35 is welcomed back at that beautifull team of Katusha. Was that because he kept his mouth shut to CONI on other riders, could that be?

Danilo will ride the Giro, he has trained very well the last couple of months.

Guess he is a multi millionair.

* CONI steps in where the Spanish ADA doesnt. Valverde gets busted for his part in the Madrid bloodbagmess. Keeps his mouth shut and is back in the peloton, clean now of course.

multi millionaire

2010:
* The Bio Passport works! Pellizotti - never worked with Ferrari of course - is hammered. It only took a year and a CAS ruling, but hey. Gianni Savio welcomes him back, why wouldnt he, he has a long working relationship with the Ferrara institute dating back to 1994.

* Conti gets popped for 50 picogram of clenbuterol. Not for the according to the analysis of Ashenden obvious blooddoping or for the plasticizers in his blood. No, he must have had a contaminated vitamine pill, according to the CAS panel.

Conti gets de facto a 7 month ban and is welcomed back by the pro - peloton as the winner of the 2012 Vuelta. He just seems to have lost that speed he once showed towards Verbier, he must have gotten lazy.

multi millionair

 

[hrotha]

I agree about Vandenbroucke, but the case of Pantani is more complicated, because he *was* hounded by the courts in ways no other Italian doper was.

 

[pmcg76]

I agree about Vandenbroucke, but the case of Pantani is more complicated, because he *was* hounded by the courts in ways no other Italian doper was.

So it was the Italian courts that hounded Pantani as opposed to the world of pro cycling as is being presented by the OP

 

[The Hitch]

Millar has 1 foot in a commentating job at the bbc

 

[pmcg76]

Feel free to add.


When Vaughters was on 300.000 at Credit Agricole, what do you think guys like Frigo were earning?
A nice one.

Because he messed up doesnt mean he wasnt a millionair.

Bingo.

Lets move to:

2006:
* Floyd Landis gets caught for testosterone, loses his Tour win, plays the game of omerta and still is outcasted by the peloton. After his suspension nobody wants to give him a spot on their team and eventually he tells all. The man who brought Juan Pelota to the ground.

Hopefully in the future a multi millionair.

* Robobasso gets caught up in the bloodbagrefridgerator in Madrid, tells squad to the authorities and after his suspension is again a happy camper inside the warm belly of the peloton.

Needless to say he is a multi millionair.

* Jan Ullrich. Same as Robobasso but he just quits cycling. Is still the nice bloke he always has been.

Multi.

2007:
* Michael Rasmussen and Alberto Contador think it is okay to sprint up mountains like Mario Andretti in an EPO free year. The chickenwannabee is thrown out of the Tour by his own team, the other sprinter was just naturally gifted to do such. Rasmussen shuts up untill it suits him and his lawsuit against his former employer.

Multi millionair in the near future.

* The Telekom admissions. All those tears from Bjarne, Erik and the other Telekom boys. They are really sorry and now have great jobs as teammanagers.

Multi millionairs.

* Jorg Jaksche breaks the omerta, does a tell al lot and is never back in pro - cycling. Must be because he has a difficult character.

Is now a happy man and is going to university.

* Johan 'the Lion of Flandres' Museeuw admits do doping in the last stages of his carreer. The once nice sprinter turned into on of the greatest cobblestoneracers with a little help from doctor Yvan Vanmol. He even wrote a nice book where he covered up his carreer full of doping.

Multi millionair and still the Lion for the Flandriens.

* Vino, Vino, Vino. Who doesnt like his grinta? The big budded Kazakh who is able to climb with the best gets the wrong bloodbag and gets his two year rest period. Trains hard in those years and at age 49 is able to do very well due to the cleanliness of the peloton. The peloton loves him. Is that because he kept and keeps his mouth shut?

Multi millionair and owner of the nation Kazakhstan.

2008:
The year of the Truce

* Bruno Neves has a heart attack while riding the Classica de Amarante. His shell shocked team inmediately stop their doping practises but forget to dispose of the blood bags.

* Ricardinho Ricco, the most hardcore doper of them all. Everybody had stopped doping but not this one. What a bad guy. Bad bad Riccardo.
Riccardo does a tell nothing, trains hard for two years and just seems not to be able to transfuse himself properly after all those years.

When the peloton speaks of doping they actually mean Ricco.

Will be back in 10 years time doing a Vino.

* Bernie Kohl, the king of the mountains of the Tour, does a tell all on his doping past and gets a lifetime ban as a bonus for his openness.

Good to see him being punished while the complete staff of that beautifull Gerolsteiner is still in buisiness. They are even invited to MPCC meetings, all for clean cycling!

Bernie seems to have a bike shop these days.

* Dear Frankie Schleck admits to have bought training plans from the Spanish gyenacologist. Nothing wrong with that Frank, just use xipamide when your microdosing misfires. And, keep your mouth shut, you will be welcomed back by your peers and we will enjoy you and your brother at the Vuelta.

multi millionair

2009:
* Juan Pelota, the man with no results between 1996 and 2009, makes a comeback in the belly of the peloton and is a victim of numerous bromances. Even riders who knew he was doping at that Tour keep on loving him untill that januari 2013 day when Juan admits he was clean at the 2009 Tour de France.

Bet Juan feels sorry he didnt give Floyd a ride on his team.
He runs a bikeshop in Austin these days, he even has some friends in his basement.

* Tommy D. aka Thomas Dekker gets popped for ePo, it only took the UCI one and a half year to nail him. Dekker signs an agreement with Rabo what in fact says 'shut up and you get a lot of $$' takes a two year vacation and is welcomed back by the clean cycling guru's of Garmin where Thomas' real talent comes forward.

When Rabo explodes in 2012, and his dont tell contract is nullified, he does a tell all at the NADA.

multi millionair

* Danilo di Luca gets a Cera positive at the Giro, where he almost beats the cleaner than clean Denis Menchov. With the help of his priest amigo he comes clean, confesses to a carreer filled with doping practises and at the age of 35 is welcomed back at that beautifull team of Katusha. Was that because he kept his mouth shut to CONI on other riders, could that be?

Danilo will ride the Giro, he has trained very well the last couple of months.

Guess he is a multi millionair.

* CONI steps in where the Spanish ADA doesnt. Valverde gets busted for his part in the Madrid bloodbagmess. Keeps his mouth shut and is back in the peloton, clean now of course.

multi millionaire

2010:
* The Bio Passport works! Pellizotti - never worked with Ferrari of course - is hammered. It only took a year and a CAS ruling, but hey. Gianni Savio welcomes him back, why wouldnt he, he has a long working relationship with the Ferrara institute dating back to 1994.

* Conti gets popped for 50 picogram of clenbuterol. Not for the according to the analysis of Ashenden obvious blooddoping or for the plasticizers in his blood. No, he must have had a contaminated vitamine pill, according to the CAS panel.

Conti gets de facto a 7 month ban and is welcomed back by the pro - peloton as the winner of the 2012 Vuelta. He just seems to have lost that speed he once showed towards Verbier, he must have gotten lazy.

multi millionair

Did Kohl really get a lifetime ban or did he just decide to quit the sport instead of being a hypocrite.

I think it's clear by now that Landis lost credibility and most of his dough on his silly efforts to clear his name just like Hamilton. Chances are if had accepted his ban, he would still be loaded and maybe have got back on a decent team after his ban.

I am sure if Landis had gone down the route of Hamilton and written a book, he would have made a nice little earner as well but too late for that now.

You also mentioned Manzano before but how could Manzano have been a millionaire when he didn't have any results. He doped and still lost out!!! Again I am sure if he wrote a nice little book detailing what went on at Kelme, it would make a pretty penny.

Why would any team have given Manzano a job when he didn't really have any results with doping???

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So it was the Italian courts that hounded Pantani as opposed to the world of pro cycling as is being presented by the OP

I would say by both.

Ronchi, Martinelli etc eyc; they all wanted the goose with the golden eggs on the bike. Dont know what Ronchi is up to these days but we all know Martinelli, Maini and a lot of others are still quite active in pro - cycling.

You also mentioned Manzano before but how could Manzano have been a millionaire when he didn't have any results. He doped and still lost out!!! Again I am sure if he wrote a nice little book detailing what went on at Kelme, it would make a pretty penny.

Why would any team have given Manzano a job when he didn't really have any results with doping???

I thought I mentioned Manzano being broke?

Nevertheless, Manzano was a domestique.

That said, he got fifth in the Tour de l'Avenir in 2001, dope does work.

Did Kohl really get a lifetime ban or did he just decide to quit the sport instead of being a hypocrite.

He got a lifetime ban that will expire in 2014. So, lets just say he go an extra four years on his previous two years suspension for his 'openness'.

 

[the asian]

Michele " Clean winner of Giro 2011" Scarponi deserves a mention too.

 

[The Hitch]

Michele " Clean winner of Giro 2011" Scarponi deserves a mention too.

Has anyone ever claimed zapatero was clean in 2011? Not even scarponi himself or lampre. In another year with a bit more luck he could won velo d'or on those performances.

 

[roundabout]

Mancebo and Rebellin.

 

[Ripper]

Wouldn't the black sheep be the ones who stood out for either a) not doping (90's through to ... ummmm .... now?), or b) being villified for their doping (Ricco, Kohl).

Those few bad apples, I tell ya. Diggo would never be like that. Oh no.

 

[ElChingon]

Mancebo and Rebellin.

Oscar Sevilla

 

[blackcat]

* Vino, Vino, Vino.
Multi millionair and owner of the nation Kazakhstan.

hehheh
had to laugh at that.


you forgot to add.

Frankie and Betsy Andreau, multi multi multi billionaires. rulers of nation state michigan. king and queen of prom

 

[Roude Leiw]

Interesting list, afew misses come to mind:

Schumacher >> broke? Can't be multimillionaire and cycle for the 3rd class team he is now
Sinkewitz >> idem
Jaksche >> idem
Jalabert, in the millionaire categoy i suppose, wasn't he refused the WC in 99 (00?) because he refused french anti doping measures put in place following Festina?
You could cite a lot of he former Festina guys in this thread besides Virenque who is not that popular in France anymore