The Bobby Julich files

[thehog]

Has a history and now is Mr. Sky with Yates:

Philippe Gaumont has written a book about his career and all the doping he has used, called "Prisonnier de dopage". The book will appear on June 7th, but a Belgian newspaper already had a look at it. Some short things:

- he used le pot belge with Vandenbroucke. Vdb's family wanted the Belgian to break off all contacts with Gaumont, but in the end it was Vdb who bought the dope himself, which caused him to get addicted. He was extremely paranoid too.

- Jo Planckaert once told him he should not use oxyhemoglobin, back in the spring of 2003. Planckaert had used it several weeks before Paris - Roubaix, but he said it caused intestinal pains. Apparently Planckaert said the following: "when (team doctor) Menuet prepared the iv, he told me it actually was something intended for cattle".

- Gaumont started taking doping in 1994. The older riders told him he would never get caught with using le pot belge. Later he started taking amphetamines, even for training. Ahead of the 1998 Tour, he and also Julich, Livingston, Rinero and Desbiens all get sent epo and growth hormones from Italian team doctor Vezzani as preparation. Millar and other English riders were completely stoned some times, by sniffing up cut up sleeping pills and ephedrin tablets.

- Gaumont also tells about the money being paid for his services, by other teams. His most embarrassing moment was during the 2003 Paris - Nice, when his teammate Kivilev died. Afterwards, a break went and he asked his team director if he should help Telekom. His team director did some quick negotiating and told Gaumont Telekom would pay the Cofidis riders 3.000 euros, if they assisted. Afterwards, the (French) press wrote that Cofidis' help was a beautiful gift for Kivilev's legacy.

 

[The Gnome]

I can't remember the substance Hog...but you might...back when I lived in Belgium and was friends and trained with some continental team guys during the early 90's there was lots of talk about guys riding juiced on vet stuff...stuff for cattle...special steroids if I remember...I think even a belgian vet was busted via cycling...ring any bells?

 

[Tinman]

I can't remember the substance Hog...

Nandrolone most likely. I knew a sports doctor who bought veterinary supplies for his athletes as the drug was very controlled in humans at the time...

 

[The Gnome]

yep...that was it...thanks...

 

[barn yard]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-bobby-julich-doping-confession

confession

is yates next?

 

[iZnoGouD]

Sky fired him, that's so stupid haha
He was one of the best coaches in the sport

 

[benzwire]

The writing was on the wall. I love how he was shocked when Basso was accused. By the end of all this, there will be no one left that rode before 2010 or so.

 

[Gloin22]

Sky fired him, that's so stupid haha
He was one of the best coaches in the sport

This.

However Kerrison had more impact as a coach imo.

However they made it clear and follow their rules.

More said than many others teams out there...

 

[hrotha]

Someone's trying to save his Olympic medal methinks.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Julich gives a half-hearted confession.

Refuses to talk about CSC and continues to protect Riis.

Remember, doping stopped in 2004 or 2006

 

[McGill]

You have to feel some sympathy to the guy, didn't dope for the last decade of his career, and from what he's saying, tried to shield others from it. I think sky should be looking into a restorative justice model (akin to slipstream). This is an entirely different model to that of the systematic doping that took place in the peloton.

 

[babastooey]

Its an underwhelming confession, mostly because we all knew it already and because he refused to talk about anything post-1998. Why is Riis still worth protecting when Tyler has already said everything that could be said about what was going on at CSC?

At this point, it seems like the list of riders who have confessed is longer than the holdouts.

Also -- If Bobby Julich or Matt White had been working for Garmin when they confessed, would they still have their jobs today? If Levi had been riding for Garmin when he confessed, would he have been fired? Is Garmin protecting certain ex-cheaters from becoming unemployed a good or bad thing for the sport?

 

[Maxiton]

These guys are probably telling what they think will come out anyway. So we're getting some truth and no reconciliation.

 

[will10]

Julich gives a half-hearted confession.

Refuses to talk about CSC and continues to protect Riis.

+1000

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[WildspokeJoe]

Another one bites the dust.

Julich was very pointed in saying that he did not dope while on CSC.

If he ends back up with Riis.

Something is rotten in the state of denmark

 

[Zultronova]

I made the decision to use EPO several times from August 1996 until July of 1998

He claims to have quit doping in 1998. I find that extremely difficult to believe.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

nyvelocity ‏@nyvelocity
Julich didn't cooperate with USADA, didn't speak for TH's book. Not gonna kick him while down but don't think he deserves praise either.

 

[maltiv]

He claims to have quit doping in 1998. I find that extremely difficult to believe.

I have no trouble believing that, looks completely plausible looking at his results.

However, I have troubles believing that he didn't start doping again in 2004.

 

[BroDeal]

nyvelocity ‏@nyvelocity
Julich didn't cooperate with USADA, didn't speak for TH's book. Not gonna kick him while down but don't think he deserves praise either.

What information does Julich have that would have been useful against Armstrong? I cannot remember them riding on the same team.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

What information does Julich have that would have been useful against Armstrong? I cannot remember them riding on the same team.

nyvelocity ‏@nyvelocity
Am told now USADA nor Feds asked to talk to Julich, stand half corrected on previous tweet.

 

[hrotha]

What information does Julich have that would have been useful against Armstrong? I cannot remember them riding on the same team.

They were teammates at Motorola, and, technically, Cofidis.

I imagine Julich would have some fun stories to tell about Lance's amateur days, too.

Probably none of that interested the feds too much.

 

[babastooey]

I think the point was to strip Lance's TDF titles because that is all that he (or most of the casual fans in the USA) cared about.

Otherwise, ignoring statute of limitations, from what I've gathered on here, they could have made a field day out of the early part of Lance's career, too. By not going back, all they are going to make it look like 100 years from now (if anyone actually cares enough to bother to look back) is that Lance got cancer and then he doped while making a comeback.

 

[VeloCity]

He claims to have quit doping in 1998. I find that extremely difficult to believe.

Rode for Telekom 2002-2003. Isn't that the period when Pevenage claimed they restarted their doping program? Or was that in reference solely to Ullrich? In any case, yeah, a bit tough to believe that a guy who rode for Telekom and CSC over the past decade wasn't doping.

 

[GJB123]

I have stated it before and I will state it again. Hamilton in his book never claimed there was teamwide doping program within CSC. All he said was that Riis was very candid about doping and helped him along.

Now you can say that logically Riis will have done that with all others too, but equally it is possible that he discusses it and then leaves it up to the rider to make their own decision in the same way he made his onn decisions on doping as a rider. Riis strikes me as very intelligent and is very much into empowerment and adult people making their own choices and owning those choices. Naturally it being his team, if they do decide to go over to the dark side (or in case of Hamilton remain there) he will be very interested in safeguarding his own investments, meaning he makes as sure as possible they won't get caught.

For me this also clicks with this part of Julich's statement:

I know that much has been said about what allegedly happened there and about the man that is the figure head of that team. I am not going to defend him as a person but rather as an organisation and what it did for me personally.

This leads me to believe that he probably did discuss doping with Riis, but that the way the team was organised he was allowed not to dope if he chose to do so.

Perhaps I am being naive, but so far I haven't seen any statement (also not by Hamilton) that makes me see this differently. Naturally this will get me jumped upon as being a Riis-apologist, but I don't care. Show me some proof, some statement and I will change my view.

Regards
GJ

 

[Big Doopie]

the csc results are questionable i have to admit.

however, the precipitous drop in performance after 1998 is stunning and would appear to follow julich's storyline.

wow, how hard it must have been in 1999 when he was actually touted as a possible winner, but knowing he couldn't perform again to that level...and then have to watch as armstrong shot by all suped up...must have been unbelievably disheartening.