The Grand Monument Elimination Game

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

So, to spark interest heading into the offseason, we will start a new game
Credit to Forever the Best for the inspiration from the Grand Tour Elimination Game, which I will quote the rules below

Not an original idea, but I'm interested to see how this forum ranks the 30 GTs of 2010s. I actually wanted to post this at end of 2019/start of 2020, but did not have the time due to uni studies.
The idea is from this thread: https://www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=42321
I'm copying the rules as well, because this is not a game, but kinda a poll for the forum:
Here's a list of the Grand Tours in the past 10 years. You are allowed to 'heal' one candidate, giving it +1 point, and 'hurt' another, giving it -2 points. When one gets to 0, it is eliminated, removed from the list, and we carry on until we are left with just one race. Rankings will be added later to show the order in which the races were eliminated, so the first one to be eliminated will be considered the 'worst'. You are allowed a vote once every 24 hours, with voting resetting at 00:00 GMT. Additionally, you are not allowed to vote for a race that you voted for in your previous entry.

The fifty monuments from 2013-2022 will be ranked, this could very well be a flop, but ultimately hopefully sparks discussion and have a worthy final standings. Also the vote resets at 06:00 GMT, or midnight my time in the US, to make things simpler for me to see when the vote resets.
EDIT 1-It will be 2012-2021 monuments.
EDIT 2-The first day is from OP date to Tuesday 06:00 GMT
49th-2016 Milan-San Remo-nobody likes a boring sprint

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

I’ll start things off
Heal:2021 Paris Roubaix
Hurt:2021 Il Lombardia-Felt too easy for Lombardia.

 

[Netserk]

If it was like the GT game, this year's editions wouldn't be included.

Hmm, my favourites are PR '16, RVV '17 and PR '21. The three MSR bunch sprints will likely and should be the first to die. The 2016 edition is my favourite to be ranked 49th.

Expected to be most overrated: RVV '13, PR '17, LBL '13
Expected to be most underrated: GdL '19, PR '19, RVV '15

Heal: Lombardia '16
Hurt: Liège '19

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

If it was like the GT game, this year's editions wouldn't be included.

Hmm, my favourites are PR '16, RVV '17 and PR '21. The three MSR bunch sprints will likely and should be the first to die. The 2016 edition is my favourite to be ranked 49th.

Expected to be most overrated: RVV '13, PR '17, LBL '13
Expected to be most underrated: GdL '19, PR '19, RVV '15

Heal: Lombardia '16
Hurt: Liège '19

Your right, so 2012-2021, plus 2011 PR.

 

[tobydawq]

Did you think of this before I linked to the GT elimination game 40 minutes ago in another thread? If so, that's quite creepy given that I have been reading and reminiscing that thread ever since

Heal: PR 2016
Hurt: MSR 2016

I think this is going to be a bit more random than the GT game because we just can't remember one-day races as well as three-week races. But I really do look forward to see how this develops!

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Did you think of this before I linked to the GT elimination game 40 minutes ago in another thread? If so, that's quite creepy given that I have been reading and reminiscing that thread ever since

Heal: PR 2016
Hurt: MSR 2016

I think this is going to be a bit more random than the GT game because we just can't remember one-day races as well as three-week races. But I really do look forward to see how this develops!

I’ve been thinking of doing something similar to the GT Elimination Game for a while, and seeing that linked lighted something in me, plus it’s the offseason. So thanks for that

 

[tobydawq]

If it was like the GT game, this year's editions wouldn't be included.

Hmm, my favourites are PR '16, RVV '17 and PR '21. The three MSR bunch sprints will likely and should be the first to die. The 2016 edition is my favourite to be ranked 49th.

Expected to be most overrated: RVV '13, PR '17, LBL '13
Expected to be most underrated: GdL '19, PR '19, RVV '15

Heal: Lombardia '16
Hurt: Liège '19

Haha, ever the patriot?

 

[Pantani_lives]

Heal: Flanders 2017 (Gilbert's monumental solo)
Hurt: Sanremo 2013 (some second rate sprinter)

 

[tobydawq]

Heal: Flanders 2017 (Gilbert's monumental solo)
Hurt: Sanremo 2013 (some second rate sprinter)

Ah, that's harsh. Of course a disappointing winner but epic snow conditions and a big selection.

As a Sagan fan I of course want to forget all about it, but it's not the worst monument of the last 10 years.

 

[Red Rick]

This would be a lot tougher than the GTs I think

Heal MSR 2018

Hurt Liege 2014

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

2013 MSR is still better than any MSR that ends up in a bunch sprint, definitely isn’t the worst out of the 49 monuments being ranked.

 

[Netserk]

I'll thankfully have many days to consider this more deeply, but I'll start with a rough sketch of the rankings of the separate races:

Milano - Sanremo:

1. 2013
2. 2017
3. 2012
4. 2021
5. 2019
6. 2020
7. 2018
8. 2015
9. 2014
10. 2016

Ronde van Vlaanderen:

1. 2017
2. 2021
3. 2016
4. 2014
5. 2012
6. 2020
7. 2015
8. 2018
9. 2013
10. 2019

Paris - Roubaix:

1. 2016
2. 2021
3. 2011
4. 2019
5. 2013
6. 2012
7. 2018
8. 2014
9. 2017
10. 2015

Liège - Bastogne - Liège:

1. 2012
2. 2018
3. 2020
4. 2021
5. 2013
6. 2015
7. 2019
8. 2016
9. 2017
10. 2014

Giro di Lombardia:

1. 2018
2. 2016
3. 2019
4. 2015
5. 2017
6. 2021
7. 2020
8. 2012
9. 2014
10. 2013

Liège was difficult to rank with so many editions being similarly poor.

 

[Netserk]

Heal: Flanders 2017 (Gilbert's monumental solo)
Hurt: Sanremo 2013 (some second rate sprinter)

I see that I will have to counter you. Do you really think it was in the worst half of Sanremo editions, or is this about punishing a 'fake' edition?

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

This would be a lot tougher than the GTs I think

Heal MSR 2018

Hurt Liege 2014

I like that, it’ll make me look more individually on each race, if I was a member during the GT game it would’ve been much easier.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Hurt Liège 2014, the Giro 2012 of one day races.
Heal Liège 2020, for the finishing hilarity.

 

[Netserk]

Hurt Liège 2014, the Giro 2012 of one day races.
Heal Roubaix 2020, somehow obscure enough that Netserk didn't include it in the top 10 editions of the last 10 years

With no race held, I preferred to rank the last 10 held editions (before this year).

EDIT: Ha! You don't escape my prying eyes!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

With no race held, I preferred to rank the last 10 held editions (before this year).

EDIT: Ha! You don't escape my prying eyes!

The fact you'd included 2011 for Roubaix but not for the others threw me for a loop, then my attempt to make it work as humour failed so I just decided to pretend it didn't happen and moved on, but obviously not quickly enough

 

[QueenStagiaire]

So, if I interpret the rules correctly, I could just alternate between the same two races to heal and hurt, right? Not gonna do that, just to clarify.
Heal:Sanremo 2021
Hurt:Lombardia 2014

 

[tobydawq]

Hurt Liège 2014, the Giro 2012 of one day races.
Heal Liège 2020, for the finishing hilarity.

This is like the race that never was. I really don't see how that was the best monument in a decade but then again, we don't often agree.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

So, if I interpret the rules correctly, I could just alternate between the same two races to heal and hurt, right? Not gonna do that, just to clarify.
Heal:Sanremo 2021
Hurt:Lombardia 2014

That’s how I interpreted the rules, so yes.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

This is like the race that never was. I really don't see how that was the best monument in a decade but then again, we don't often agree.

It obviously wasn't, no edition of Liège comes close, but it's a race I do think some people will vote down prematurely.

 

[Netserk]

This is like the race that never was. I really don't see how that was the best monument in a decade but then again, we don't often agree.

Hurts and heals are not about the absolute best and worst, but how you want to affect the ranking.

 

[tobydawq]

So, if I interpret the rules correctly, I could just alternate between the same two races to heal and hurt, right? Not gonna do that, just to clarify.
Heal:Sanremo 2021
Hurt:Lombardia 2014

Yes, you can. But when you see the standings updated every day, you may want to counteract the flow (like the hatred towards the 2011 Tour).

 

[tobydawq]

Hurts and heals are not about the absolute best and worst, but how you want to affect the ranking.

Definitely true, but as an opener I found it quite aggressive.

We need to take down the easy MSR editions first, then we can begin playing politics.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Yes, you can. But when you see the standings updated every day, you may want to counteract the flow (like the hatred towards the 2011 Tour).

Ok, understood, I‘m gonna vote for the 2011 Tour