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The Great Grand-Tour-Game 2012

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FoxxyBrown1111

FoxxyBrown1111

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PREDICTION GAME FOR THE GIRO, TOUR & VUELTA 2012


Defending Champion: Mortand
Final Standings

Review of the 2011-Season:
Link


The total prize money* will be 60 USD:
1st Place 30 USD
2nd Place 20 USD
3rd Place 10 USD

* If this is not allowed (i accept the rules of cyclingnews.com) the winner will virtually be awarded this; :)

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The Rules:
There will be two divisions, "Europe" and "World" with 44 entrees (22 for each division). If for example 30 europeans and 14 players from other countries enter, i´ll put 8 europeans into the "World Division".

After the Giro a total of 30** players will advance (allowed) to predict the TdF.

A total of 16** players after the TdF advance to the Vuelta-Prediction.

At the Vuelta, there will be only one final division. The one of the total 16 qualified players from after the TdF. I call that final tournament "The Championship Division".

After each GT the points start again at zero for each player. That means once a player is qualified, he has the same chance to win the competition. No reasons to give up. Just reach the "playoffs"... :cool:

The prediction must be send to me via PM until latest 48 hours before the 1st Stage (Prologue) of the given GT. If a player stops the game, even tough he qualified for the next round, the next best will advance. He will be contacted by me no later than 24 hours before the given GT-Start.

To be predicted: Winners of each stage and the Top-20 of the Final-CG.
Select a rider a max of 3 times to win a stage.


Entrees:

"Europe Division";

al_pacino
AntonioRossi
Bavarianrider
cycladianpirate
Dekker_Tifosi
DominicDecoco
Eshnar
FoxxyBrown1111
Froome19
Hartog
jens_attacks
jsem94
Kazistuta
minessa
mortand
Ruudz0r
search
spalco
Sylvester
The Amateur
The Hitch
vladimir


"World Division";

18-Valve. (pithy)
aarnold517
barmaher
boomcie
Duartista
Eric8-A
Ferminal
FF'Wilco
gerundium
gooner
Jakob747
Jan the Man
kirill-loko
macnir
Mellow Velo
roundabout
Sasquatch
sucotash
Timmy-loves-Rabo
Tuarts
Vitapen
Waterloo Sunrise


Stats and Standings:

Overview of all picks/predictions/standings for each player in the Vuelta a España 2012;
Championship Division; Link
Overview of Stage-Picks
Championship Division; Link
Overview of Top-20-Picks
Championship Division; Link
Complete Standings & Stages
official site

Overview of all picks/predictions/standings for each player in Le Tour de France 2012;
Europe Division; Link
World Division; Link
Overview of Stage-Picks
Europe Division; Link
World Division; Link
Overview of Top-20-Picks
Europe Division; Link
World Division; Link
Complete Standings & Stages
official site

Overview of all picks/predictions/standings for each player in the Giro d'Italia 2012;
Europe Division; Link
World Division; Link
Overview of Stage-Picks
All Players; Link
Europe Division only; Link
World Division only; Link
Overview of Top-20-Picks
All Players; Link
Complete Standings & Stages
official site


Points:
1 for each correct predicted Stage/Prologue-Winner.
1 for every predicted CG-Top-20-Finisher.
1 additional Point for the correct predicted place in the Final-CG.

0,5 if a predicted Stage/Prologue-Winner finishes in the Top-3 of the given stage.
0,5 if a predicted CG-Top-20-Finisher just finished outside of the Top-20 (if the rider finishes between 21st and 30th in the Final-CG).

Examples:
a.) Roman Kreuziger finishes 12th in the TdF. Player A predicted him as 20th. Player A will receive 1 point.
b.) Same result, but player A predicted Roman Kreuziger to finish 12th. He receives 2 points.
c.) Kreuziger finishes 23rd in the TdF. Player A predicted him to finish 15th. Player A will receive 0,5 points.
d.) Player A predicts Kittel to win stage X in the TdF. If Kittel wins indeed, player A receives 1 point. If Kittel finishes that stage on 2nd or 3rd place, player A will receive 0,5 points.


Tie-Breakers:
1. Most combined points of all GT´s (not applicable in the Giro, of course).
2. Most stages & Top-20-Picks scored (Explanation: See Post #2).
3. Most stages scored (Explanation: See Post # 2).
4. Most predicted Top-20-Finishers.
5. Most correct stage wins predicted.
6. "Off-Score" (Explanation: See Post #2)
7. a.) Highest placed (correct) predicted Top-20-Finisher.
... b.) 2nd highest placed (correct) ...
... c.) 3rd highest placed (correct) ...
... d.) ... highest ... etc.
8. Coin toss (i think the chance for that to happen is 1: 10 Mio.+).

If predictions come early and a predicted rider will not race (please confirm it then with a link) the GT (because of injury etc.), the player can change (only) this certain rider with another up to 48 hours before the 1st stage.


Specific topics and further explanations are discussed in post #2 (for example rider names)

Cheers... :)


Miscellaneous: To guarantee a fair game for everybody, only members of cyclingnews.com who registered no later than February 17th 2012 are allowed to compete. I hope the reasons are clear.
Finally: Since i manage the game, i will automatically advance to each next round as a "Wildcard" if not qualified by points. The field then would be 30+1 respectively 16+1. But i would not be allowed to win the Grand Prix (but allowed to finish 2nd or 3rd in the final money standings).
Furthermore, if a qualified player (or more) isn´t sending the picks within the deadline and i am not qualified by points, i´ll be the first replacement player independent of my rank on the "waiting list". In such case i would be eligible for the Grand Prix (1st place) too.
If i am qualified, the above rules about replacements remain in effect, of course.
I think that´s fair, right!?
 
FoxxyBrown1111

FoxxyBrown1111

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People do not get "shocked" of this long explanatory post. It is just about nuances to prevent inconsistencies. The really important (and simple) rules are written in post #1, marked in red. :)

a.) When you register (just leave a PM to me, or post here), please tell me the country you are coming from (if not already done in your seeable profile).

b.) Explanation of the "Most stages & Top-20-Picks scored" Tie-Breaker:
Counted is every score made, independent of the total points scored.
Example: Player A has predicted Kittel to win stage X, Y and Z. In stage X Kittel finished 2nd, in stage Y he finished 8th and in stage Z he won. That means player A scored in 2 stages. Furthermore, 11 predicted riders by player A finished in the Top-20. That means in this example player A scored 13 times.

c.) Explanation of the "Most stages scored" Tie-Breaker:
Counted is every score made on stage predictions, independent of the total points scored.
Example: Player A has predicted Kittel to win stage X, Y and Z. In stage X Kittel finished 2nd, in stage Y he finished 8th and in stage Z he won. That means player A scored 2 times.

d.) Explanation of the "Off-Score" (I think I heard that before... LOL) Tie-Breaker:
Counted are each players picks who made the Final-Top-20.
Example: Player A picked 3 Top-20-Riders (Kreuziger at 10th, Rujano at 13th, Dupont at 18th)
Player B picked 3 Top-20-Riders (Kreuziger at 8th, LeMevel at 12th, Rujano at 19th)
The Final-Top-20 were; 5th-Kreuziger, 6th-Rujano, 7th- LeMevel, 15th Dupont.
The Off-Score for Player A is; 15
The Off-Score for Player B is; 21 = Player A wins the tie breaker

e.) When you send the picks, please use the real names. I am not used to all riders nicknames. And please take care of brothers. The Schlecks are obvious, but there are also the lesser known Masciarellis. So send the picks, if possible, with pre- and surnames like "Joaquin Rodriguez". Thanks.

f.) About results:
Official Stage results for the Race-Day count. Disqualifications after will not influence or change the results.
Example:
I.) Cav wins sprint stage, gets disqualified by the UCI because of an unfair sprint, 2nd-Place-Finisher like Farrar is announced as winner = Farrar counts as Stage-Winner in this Game.
II.) DiLuca wins Mountain-Stage, gets disqualified 3 Months later by whatever reasons; DiLuca is still counted as Stage-Winner in this Game
III.) Barredo wins the last stage and the TdF-Overall, gets disqualified 2 days after and results are changed immediately by UCI = Barredo does not count as winner in this Game.
IV.) Petacchi wins 2nd stage, gets disqualified by the UCI after Stage 17 and his results from stage 2 are removed officially while the TdF is still running = Petacchi is not counted as the winner of stage 2.

g.) Picks can be send as early as now, because if a rider does not start, predictions for this certain riders can be changed (see above)

h.) *Prize Money: The amounts termed in Post #1 are estimations. The correct amounts will be announced later in the year, depending on (daily changing) exchange rates and commisions by transfering banks. It is also possible to be disbursed in any other currency. Further explanations might follow.

i.) **Qualifiers after the Giro: From each division ("Europe" and "World") the 12 best players advance direct. From the rest of the 20 players, the 6 remaining highest point scorers advance as so-called "wildcards". This rule is basically supposed to prevent a "rift" between the two divisions, as recommended by "Timmy Rabo".

**Qualifiers after the TdF: From each division ("Europe" and "World") the 6 best players advance direct. From the rest of the 18 players, the 4 remaining highest point scorers advance as so-called "wildcards".
Examples: (are also proportional applicable for the qualifiers after the Giro)
The "Europe-Division" has two players with 32 points, four with 29 points, one with 27 points, and eight with 26 points. All six players with 29 or more points are qualified directly.
The "World-Division" has three players with 31 points, three with 29 points, three with 28 points, and six with 26 points. All six players with 29 or more points are qualified directly.
As "wildcards" qualify; the one player with 27 points from the "Europe-Division" and the three players with 28 points each from the "World-Division".

The purpose of the divisional play is to keep the game as internationally as possible. So there will not be a final all europe "Championship Division" at the Vuelta. ;)
 
Timmy-loves-Rabo

Timmy-loves-Rabo

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yes im in :D

PS. I think it would be better to do just one league, great thing about CN is the diversity in the crowd, why change this in the game?
Most of us have become somewhat of friends and it would be a shame to detract the banter and discussion away from the game and friendly rivalries because of two different leagues.

therefore

64 first round
32 second round
16 last round.

but of course up to you. Just trying to present a different point of view.

ps. also i like the 0.5 for the stage thing, but not sure about the 21-30 thing. Don't think i like it. I really liked the 'all or nothing' made the game more risky and daring, was pretty cool imo.
but again up to you
 
FoxxyBrown1111

FoxxyBrown1111

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Timmy-loves-Rabo said:
yes im in :D

PS. I think it would be better to do just one league, great thing about CN is the diversity in the crowd, why change this in the game?
Most of us have become somewhat of friends and it would be a shame to detract the banter and discussion away from the game and friendly rivalries because of two different leagues.

therefore

64 first round
32 second round
16 last round.

but of course up to you. Just trying to present a different point of view.

ps. also i like the 0.5 for the stage thing, but not sure about the 21-30 thing. Don't think i like it. I really liked the 'all or nothing' made the game more risky and daring, was pretty cool imo.
but again up to you
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Your are right. Different leagues didn´t sound good. I changed it into divisions, and changed the rules in so far, that it is still an all world interactive game, while there will be also a good chance to have a all-over-the-world final round at the Vuelta. I think i succeeded in doing the square of the circle. ;)

I can still cancel the new rule "21-30". For now i leave it in, and see what the other "veterans" say about it.

Ferminal said:
Was hoping you would be back Foxy :D

The crashfest of the Tour ruined me last year!
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Yeah, i had a tough autumn and winter, but i am back in full action again. :D
Now i need your country, so that i can allocate you in the correct division. Thanks in advance.
 
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The Amateur

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I'm in as well. That would be the European division.

I’m looking forward to this. Hopefully I will do at least as good as last year (fingers crossed).

Why did you exclude the rule regarding wildcard riders? It made for some bold guessing. Maybe add it again but instead of doubling the points add half a point for each stage win/GC-placing?

Cheers
The Amateur
 
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AntonioRossi

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Yes, glad this game is back. Had fun with it last year.
I'm in - europe division (if its where you are from/born)
 
The Hitch

The Hitch

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The Amateur said:
I'm in as well. That would be the European division.

I’m looking forward to this. Hopefully I will do at least as good as last year (fingers crossed).

Why did you exclude the rule regarding wildcard riders? It made for some bold guessing. Maybe add it again but instead of doubling the points add half a point for each stage win/GC-placing?

Cheers
The Amateur
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Wait till Contador gets into the Vuelta as a wildcard:D
 
cycladianpirate

cycladianpirate

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I would very much like to play.

Just to confirm, though, players have to PM you 48 hours before the start of the Giro with their complete predictions for each stage and the top 20 GC right? i.e. forty one names (some of which may, of course, be duplicated).

Oh, I'm in the Europe division if that still applies.
 
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