THE INDEPENDENT COMMISSION REPORT #1

[Irondan]

I thought this report deserved it's own thread.

Please feel free to discuss.

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_independent_commission_report_1_en.pdf

 

[mrhender]

Live stream of press conference below:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2015/nov/09/athletics-in-crisis-wada-publishes-report-into-doping-claims-live

 

[gooner]

Wow.

Moscow lab destroyed 1,417 samples.

Russian secret police threatening doping control officers and their families.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

No big deal what these Russians done. What Lance and his crew done was much worse.

They are going to be pissed that this report was made. If I was on the list of authors I would be sending my family and myself into some protection program somewhere.

 

[Jagartrott]

What will Russia Today make of this, is the obvious question.

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

Wow.

Moscow lab destroyed 1,417 samples.

Russian secret police threatening doping control officers and their families.

If that's true, Russia needs to be banned

 

[The Hitch]

But seems like all they want to do is "have medals withdrawn".

What a sham.

London 2012 was the "cleanest olympics ever" with the "most tests ever". It was also the "greatest olympics ever" and showed "how to run a clean games".

London 2012 made its bed. Now it should live with all the doped winners.

 

[BullsFan22]

So majority of Russian sports run with the help of systematic doping. Great. What about the events they haven't won, or haven't even made the podium or top 5 or top 10? I have a hard time seeing that, say if a Russian finishes 8 in a 1500m race, and he/she is doping, that he/she was beaten by 7 'clean' runners. Does anyone else feel the same?

 

[gooner]

Re: Re:

Wow.

Moscow lab destroyed 1,417 samples.

Russian secret police threatening doping control officers and their families.

If that's true, Russia needs to be banned

I read it here.

The most damning element, however, concerns allegations of widespread involvement by the FSB, the secret police force which replaced the Soviet-era KGB in 1991.

The Commission concludes that there was "direct intimidation and interference" by the Russian State at the country's primary, WADA-accredited laboratory in Moscow.

This included alleged direct threats to doping control officers, as well to their family members, it is claimed.

FSB representatives regularly visited the laboratory, it is claimed, with "weekly discussions" taking place between the Moscow laboratory Director and the security service, affecting the "impartiality, judgment and integrity" of the laboratory.

It adds: "The Moscow laboratory is not operationally independent from RUSADA (Russian Anti-Doping Agency) or the Ministry of Sport.

"Its impartiality, judgment and integrity were compromised by the surveillance of the FSB within the laboratory during the Sochi Winter Olympic Games.

"The reported presence of the security services (FSB) within the laboratory setting in Sochi and at the Moscow laboratory, actively imposed an atmosphere of intimidation on laboratory process and staff, and supported allegations of state influence in sports events.

"The direct interference into the laboratory’s operations by the Russian State significantly undermines the laboratory’s independence."

http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1031540/wada-report-accuses-russian-secret-police-of-direct-intimidation-and-interference-in-promoting-systemic-doping

 

[Semper Fidelis]

So majority of Russian sports run with the help of systematic doping. Great. What about the events they haven't won, or haven't even made the podium or top 5 or top 10? I have a hard time seeing that, say if a Russian finishes 8 in a 1500m race, and he/she is doping, that he/she was beaten by 7 'clean' runners. Does anyone else feel the same?

Yup and you can bet money all the other Olympic runners countries or individuals have a "program". Maybe they are not threatening to kill but they are cheating for the $$$$$$$ bills.

 

[JetSet]

BBC are reporting that The Russians are denying everything.

Pete

 

[Catwhoorg]

335 Pages.

I skimmed the exec summary.

Holy heck does this paint a nasty picture.

I have no illusions that this is JUST Russia and just Athletics.
Apart from the KGB intimidation, this could easily be the pattern used by Jamaica in Athletics.

 

[Lyon]

Did we learn anything new? Not really.

 

[The Hitch]

Wait, why did *** Pound say that Coe is the right man for athletics????

 

[The Hitch]

BBC are reporting that The Russians are denying everything.

Pete

That's what everyone always does. If you deny no one will ever blame you if you ever admit.

So its always best to deny no matter what. No downside.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re:

But seems like all they want to do is "have medals withdrawn".

What a sham.

London 2012 was the "cleanest olympics ever" with the "most tests ever". It was also the "greatest olympics ever" and showed "how to run a clean games".

London 2012 made its bed. Now it should live with all the doped winners.

London and Sochi look more and more like the Fantasy Island Olympics. Can't wait for the next episode's. Lets hope Brasil have a good secret service to sit on these WADA labs so we can maximize the WR's and medals.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re:

335 Pages.

I skimmed the exec summary.

Holy heck does this paint a nasty picture.

I have no illusions that this is JUST Russia and just Athletics.
Apart from the KGB intimidation, this could easily be the pattern used by Jamaica in Athletics.

Right on the money. They obviously have something in place to monitor the doping folks.

 

[JetSet]

BBC are reporting that The Russians are denying everything.

Pete

That's what everyone always does. If you deny no one will ever blame you if you ever admit.

So its always best to deny no matter what. No downside.

If they carry on their predictable self denial they won't be at the next Olympics. The message is clear, clean up your act or your nation will not be welcome at major championships. In this case denial will do them no good, they may well claim it's all a Western plot but nobody will fall for that.

Pete

 

[Robert21]

Quote: "The IC has withheld most of the contents of the chapter on the IAAF in order to not compromise the continuing efforts in respect of information provided to Interpol. There are very serious criminal allegations in the ARD documentary. The IC is in possession of information which has been passed on to Interpol for the purposes of an integrated investigative activity, Operation Augeas. Therefore, most of the IC’s Recommendations in respect of the IAAF are being withheld until such time as the full chapter is released."

 

[Robert21]

they may well claim it's all a Western plot but nobody will fall for that

I wouldn't be so sure. Just look how many people swallowed Armstrong's 'French conspiracy' guff...

 

[thehog]

Re:

Wait, why did **** Pound say that Coe is the right man for athletics????

The commission was not asked to examine separate doping claims made in August when The Sunday Times and a German broadcaster claimed leaked blood tests from 5,000 athletes over 11 years showed an "extraordinary extent of cheating". The IAAF said the claims were "sensationalist and infuriating".

This was a Russian investigation only.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/34765444

 

[Cake]

I'm not remotely shocked they destroyed samples. For example, they announced that documents related to the bid for the 2018 football world cup had been unaccountably lost / destroyed and no one blinked an eyelid. They're quite insouciant about this type of thing.

What I will be (not shocked but) taken aback by, is if the IAAF negotiate this down into "medals taken away" when it clearly should be "Russia banned for foreseeable future". yes I know the report's recommendations are not binding. But if they do not ban Russia after this, the IAAF's last shred of credibility just flew away on the wind.

 

[BullsFan22]

It may not be Western (US and UK led) propaganda, but i'd like to see similar enthusiasm and perseverance in catching cheats in the US and UK. Are people really naive to think that UK didn't drastically improve in the last 5-10 years in Olympic sports? You don't have to look to far back. You can just look at London 2012, and cycling results over the past few years.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

It may not be Western (US and UK led) propaganda, but i'd like to see similar enthusiasm and perseverance in catching cheats in the US and UK. Are people really naive to think that UK didn't drastically improve in the last 5-10 years in Olympic sports? You don't have to look to far back. You can just look at London 2012, and cycling results over the past few years.

True. People are really naïve. US and UK included.

This is sarcasm by the way (No need to look at the USA we got rid of cheating when Travis Tygart took down Lance Armstrong) GG no RE ---game over.

 

[Cake]

It may not be Western (US and UK led) propaganda, but i'd like to see similar enthusiasm and perseverance in catching cheats in the US and UK. Are people really naive to think that UK didn't drastically improve in the last 5-10 years in Olympic sports? You don't have to look to far back. You can just look at London 2012, and cycling results over the past few years.

There's a lot of naïve people out there who think "doping begins at Calais" (phrase someone posted on here yesterday). But yes, you'd be pretty credulous to believe that transformations like ours (I mean team GB across all sports, not just cycling) have been 100% clean. Yes, national lottery money effectively transformed amateur sports into pro. Yes, there's been a lot of hard work. But in the current climate, there's gonna be a lot of scepticism until there is true transparency across all sports.