The Loss of Italian & Spanish Teams = Crackdown on Doping

Dec 7, 2012
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I notice since the so called crackdown of doping, lots of teams from italy & spain are leaving the sport. Whats yall opinion on it?
 
Mar 13, 2009
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euroking said:
I notice since the so called crackdown of doping, lots of teams from italy & spain are leaving the sport. Whats yall opinion on it?
international economic woes.

not much more than that.
 
Jul 21, 2012
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euroking said:
I notice since the so called crackdown of doping, lots of teams from italy & spain are leaving the sport. Whats yall opinion on it?
what crackdown on doping?
 
Yeah, There's no crackdown on doping. In fact, for 2015 the UCI is making their side of the process more secret than ever. Plenty of new opportunities for sports-related corruption.

What is happening is the UCI's reforms are on-going. That basically amounts to the costs and difficulties of sponsoring UCI cycling have only risen. The cost of producing a high ranking races have risen dramatically as well to "fit" into the UCI's new tiered structure. Basically they are driving away promoters who cannot come up with lots and lots of money. Meanwhile, they are trying to discourage paying athletes.

I cannot speak directly to Spain and Italy's grassroots cycling, but the UCI has not done anything about supporting all kinds of cycling until Cookson's recent talking points..
 
Aug 3, 2009
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euroking said:
I notice since the so called crackdown of doping, lots of teams from italy & spain are leaving the sport. Whats yall opinion on it?
You heard perhaps about bail outs and economy down the drain in southern europe.

No one dopes, clean sport, since years, so that could not be the cause
 
The Spanish cycling scene has reduced massively over the past few years.

Spanish races 2014:
Challenge Mallorca (4 days)
Ruta del Sol (5 days)
Vuelta a Murc?a (1 day)
Cl?sica Almer?a (1 day)
Volta a Catalunya (7 days)
GP Miguel Indurain (1 day)
Vuelta a La Rioja (1 day)
Vuelta al Pa?s Vasco (6 days)
Klasika Primavera Amorebieta (1 day)
Vuelta a Castilla y Le?n (3 days)
Prueba Villafranca Ordizia (1 day)
Circuito de Getxo (1 day)
Cl?sica San Sebasti?n (1 day)
Vuelta a Burgos (5 days)
Vuelta a Espa?a (21 days)

compare to 2007:
Challenge Mallorca (5 days)
Ruta del Sol (5 days)
Volta a la Comunidad Valenciana (5 days)
Cl?sica Almer?a (1 day)
Vuelta a Murc?a (5 days)
Vuelta a Castilla y Le?n (5 days)
GP Miguel Indurain (1 day)
Vuelta al Pa?s Vasco (6 days)
Klasika Primavera Amorebieta (1 day)
Cinturon a Mallorca (5 days)
Vuelta a Extremadura (5 days)
Vuelta a La Rioja (3 days)
Subida al Naranco (1 day)
Vuelta a Asturias (5 days)
Cl?sica Alcobendas (3 days)
Volta a Catalunya (7 days)
Klasika Txuma (1 day)
Vuelta a Navarra (6 days)
GP Llodio (1 day)
Volta a Lleida (6 days)
Euskal Bizikleta (3 days)
Circuito Monta??s (8 days)
Vuelta a Madrid (5 days)
Prueba Villafranca Ordizia (1 day)
Circuito de Getxo (1 day)
Vuelta a Le?n (5 days)
Cl?sica San Sebasti?n (1 day)
Subida a Urkiola (1 day)
Vuelta a Burgos (5 days)
Cl?sica a los Puertos (1 day)
Vuelta a Espa?a (21 days)

Then think, how much less money is available to win, and the cost of setting up a team is still the same, and the economy is worse.
 
Mar 13, 2009
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and when did Setmana Catalana go LS? That was around 2005/6ish?

Midi Libre tho french nicked off about the same time, changed name for two years to that central provence in France...
 
Aug 4, 2011
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Libertine Seguros said:
The Spanish cycling scene has reduced massively over the past few years.

Spanish races 2014:
Challenge Mallorca (4 days)
Ruta del Sol (5 days)
Vuelta a Murc?a (1 day)
Cl?sica Almer?a (1 day)
Volta a Catalunya (7 days)
GP Miguel Indurain (1 day)
Vuelta a La Rioja (1 day)
Vuelta al Pa?s Vasco (6 days)
Klasika Primavera Amorebieta (1 day)
Vuelta a Castilla y Le?n (3 days)
Prueba Villafranca Ordizia (1 day)
Circuito de Getxo (1 day)
Cl?sica San Sebasti?n (1 day)
Vuelta a Burgos (5 days)
Vuelta a Espa?a (21 days)

compare to 2007:
Challenge Mallorca (5 days)
Ruta del Sol (5 days)
Volta a la Comunidad Valenciana (5 days)
Cl?sica Almer?a (1 day)
Vuelta a Murc?a (5 days)
Vuelta a Castilla y Le?n (5 days)
GP Miguel Indurain (1 day)
Vuelta al Pa?s Vasco (6 days)
Klasika Primavera Amorebieta (1 day)
Cinturon a Mallorca (5 days)
Vuelta a Extremadura (5 days)
Vuelta a La Rioja (3 days)
Subida al Naranco (1 day)
Vuelta a Asturias (5 days)
Cl?sica Alcobendas (3 days)
Volta a Catalunya (7 days)
Klasika Txuma (1 day)
Vuelta a Navarra (6 days)
GP Llodio (1 day)
Volta a Lleida (6 days)
Euskal Bizikleta (3 days)
Circuito Monta??s (8 days)
Vuelta a Madrid (5 days)
Prueba Villafranca Ordizia (1 day)
Circuito de Getxo (1 day)
Vuelta a Le?n (5 days)
Cl?sica San Sebasti?n (1 day)
Subida a Urkiola (1 day)
Vuelta a Burgos (5 days)
Cl?sica a los Puertos (1 day)
Vuelta a Espa?a (21 days)

Then think, how much less money is available to win, and the cost of setting up a team is still the same, and the economy is worse.
It is a shame, But maybe you need to look at grassroots level and the amount of riders coming through.
 
DirtyWorks said:
Yeah, There's no crackdown on doping. In fact, for 2015 the UCI is making their side of the process more secret than ever. Plenty of new opportunities for sports-related corruption.

What is happening is the UCI's reforms are on-going. That basically amounts to the costs and difficulties of sponsoring UCI cycling have only risen. The cost of producing a high ranking races have risen dramatically as well to "fit" into the UCI's new tiered structure. Basically they are driving away promoters who cannot come up with lots and lots of money. Meanwhile, they are trying to discourage paying athletes.

I cannot speak directly to Spain and Italy's grassroots cycling, but the UCI has not done anything about supporting all kinds of cycling until Cookson's recent talking points..
In Italy and Spain the rise of the Gran Fondo's is much more prominent that the actual cycling scene. Riders have left traditional racing in droves for the Gran Fondo format. In Italy they are massive events and there's a season long circuit.

Racing in Italy has always been this way. They used to stage he races along roads where the factories resided. The factories would sponsor teams in the races and the teams. Now those companies have moved to the Gran Fondo circuit because like you say its too expensive to run a Pro Team. Companies like Fassa Bortolo has no interest in pushing its name around the world (except in Europe).

Prize money in Fondos now is huge and there's not the UCI taking a cut from it.
 
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