Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[SafeBet]

It's so very kind of you all to forget about Bala.
I'm pretty sure he'll be fighting for yet another podium at the Vuelta.

Hopefully Roglic and Jumbo don't ride the Vuelta as they rode the Tour. Otherwise, considering teams will be much weaker than the ones at the Tour, is going to be the biggest borefest ever.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Dumoulin
Roglic
Carapaz
Froome
Valverde
Pinot

Not bad...

 

[ice&fire]

Ups, I missed Carapaz. Froome is in his 2010 climbing form. Bala will catch a cold and will be out of contention.
The question is whether they will look at each other if someone goes up the road and Kuss is not strong enough to bring him back. Yeah, too many ifs, not going to happen, Kuss might as well finish 3rd.

 

[Gargamel35]

Maybe Tom and Primož can dom for Kuss

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah, it's going to be them vs Landa (not yet confirmed), Mas and Tibopino

I guess there's also Valverde, Carapaz, Sosa maybe?

And Froome. Who will undoubtedly get the camera time. At least we'll know on stage 1 where he's at lol.

 

[Bolder]

He just better hope Pogacar doesn't want to improve his 3rd from last year...

 

[ice&fire]

He just better hope Pogacar doesn't want to improve his 3rd from last year...

Nothing better than having Pogacar riding 2 GTs per season from now on and burn him out in 2 years Fignon-style. Where do I sign?

 

[Lequack]

Nothing better than having Pogacar riding 2 GTs per season from now on and burn him out in 2 years Fignon-style. Where do I sign?

But there is also the saying of taking your chances when you can, especially in cycling when you cant tell what happens next year. Will he be on the same level, injuries, viruses, etc.

 

[Lequack]

Also, will Dumoulin even get any drafting effect from Roglic, he's smaller and usually riders pretty low down on the bike?

 

[Red Rick]

Also, will Dumoulin even get any drafting effect from Roglic, he's smaller and usually riders pretty low down on the bike?

That's why Kuss is always out of the saddle.

 

[JosephK]

I get the impression that Roglič isn't the type to sit around moping very long after disappointment happens.

 

[Red Rick]

I get the impression that Roglič isn't the type to sit around moping very long after disappointment happens.

Can't sit on Pogi's wheel all WCRR if you're too busy moping

 

[Valanga]

Apparently TJV shared Roglic power numbers during the tour, including his TT.

Hoe Primoz Roglic de Tour kon verliezen

Primoz Roglic zou de Tour gaan winnen. Eén probleem: hij won niet. Was het omdat hij bezweek of omdat Tadej Pogacar toverde met zijn benen? Het antwoord ligt verscholen in de cijfers. Jumbo-Visma deelde de vermogensgegevens van Roglic’ Tour.

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Data Roglic
Etappe 4
Orcières-Merlette: 390 watt = 6,05 w/kilo during 14 minutes and 4 seconds

Etappe 8
Port de Bales: 369 w = 5,7 w/kg
33 min 42
Peyresourde: 389 w = 6,0 w/kg
24 min 25

Etappe 9
Hourceres: 371 w = 5,8 w/kg
3 min 45
Marie Blanque: 395 w = 6,1w/kg
24 min 34
Laatste 4 km: 416 w = 6,4 w/kg
14 min 48

Etappe 13
Col de Neronne: 413 w = 6,4 w/kg
10 min 54
Pas de Peyrol: 407 w = 6,3 w/kg
13 min 49
Last 2,08 km: 445 w = 6,9 w/kg7 min 29

Etappe 15
Selle de Fromentel: 340 w = 5,3 w/kg
34 min 32
Col de la Biche: 358 w = 5,6 w/kg
22 min 08
Grand Colombier: 375 w = 5,8 w/kg
45 min 54

Etappe 17
La Madeleine: 338 w = 5,2 w/ kg
59 min15
Col de la Loze: 356 w = 5,5 w/kg
1 uur 1 min 08
Last 7 km: 364 w = 5,6 w/kg
23 min 18

Etappe 18
Glières: 386 w = 6,0 w/kg
21 min 08

Etappe 20 TT
Totale tijdrit: 369 w = 5,7 w/kg
57 min 41
La Planche (road bike): 388 w = 6,05 w/kg
15 min 31

Conclusion from Thijs Zonneveld:

1. Roglic was strong all tour, as strong as he's ever been. Consistent level.
2. Roglic did a strong TT, except for the last 1,5k where he basically gave up (dropping to "just" 334 watt). Last years TT in the Vuelta he did 5,4 w/kg and there he beat Pogacar with 1m29.
3. He estimates Pogacars TT performance to be between 6,1 and 6,5 w/kg for an hour. Which is crazy strong, the performance of the tour and possibly of the decade.

 

[Red Rick]

If giving up means bonking like a sack of rocks, which happens in situations like these, it sort of what happened.

 

[ice&fire]

Everyone has better numbers than ever, is riding faster than ever and is losing as usual. Contador was ahead of his time with his numbers' thing.

 

[Red Rick]

Everyone has better numbers than ever, is riding faster than ever and is losing as usual. Contador was ahead of his time with his numbers' thing.

Except it's backed up by climbing times this time.

 

[ice&fire]

IIRC there's only comparable data on Peyresourde (where he was good) and PDBF (where he was bad).
This is consistent with the fact that his power to effort duration clearly dropped in PDBF.
For other climbs there is no reference data that can be used for reliable comparisons, so I don't know what to make of those figures but I'll take them as good. They just seem to be ashamed of what they did in Col de la Lusette.

 

[Red Rick]

IIRC there's only comparable data on Peyresourde (where he was good) and PDBF (where he was bad).
This is consistent with the fact that his power to effort duration clearly dropped in PDBF.
For other climbs there is no reference data that can be used for reliable comparisons, so I don't know what to make of those figures but I'll take them as good. They just seem to be ashamed of what they did in Col de la Lusette.

PDBF is after 40 minutes of all out flat/rolling ITT then a climb with a bike change. Knowing the time checks if he overextends on the flat ofcourse you're gonna bonk at some point.

They're basically saying Pogacar did like over 10% higher W in his Tour ITT than in the Vuelta ITT last year. Can't compete with that. Can't anticipate that.

 

[Red Rick]

3rd active rider with both monument and GT wins beside Nibali and Valverde?

 

[Lequack]

Great win, if a bit unexpected. Shows that you always have to fight to the line!

 

[Forever The Best]

I guess so. @Red Rick

 

[kareeem]

His palmares during last three years are just crazy.

 

[F_Cance]

a win is a win. Guess he knows that wouldn't even have been on the podium without alaph's help

 

[Carols]

Well Done Primoz!!!! Now a Monument winner as well as a GT winner. This boy is going places .

As I always say 'it's not over until the fat lady sings'.

 

[JosefK]

Today (for LBL), Primož rode very well--as good as he possibly could, which under normal circumstances would have been good enough for 4th in a monument race, a really great result. But because he refused to quit and was in the right spot, he was able to take advantage of a gift from Lady Luck. It speaks to his character that he was good enough to get that gift. Well done.