The Rankings

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

figured i'd start this thread regarding the rankings, surely there has been a smiliar thread, but alas I'm too lazy to look.

UCI World Rabkings---

Rider rankings

1 CANCELLARA Fabian SUI19810318 LEOPARD TREK (LEO) 236
2 GOSS Matthew Harley AUS19861105 HTC-HIGHROAD (THR) 203
3 KLÖDEN Andreas GER19750622 TEAM RADIOSHACK (RSH) 202
4 SCARPONI Michele ITA19790925 LAMPRE - ISD (LAM) 202
5 GILBERT Philippe BEL19820705 OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO (OLO) 176
6 GESINK Robert NED19860531 RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM (RAB) 156
7 HORNER Christopher USA19711023 TEAM RADIOSHACK (RSH) 143
8 BOONEN Tom BEL19801015 QUICKSTEP CYCLING TEAM (QST) 140
9 EVANS Cadel AUS19770214 BMC RACING TEAM (BMC) 128
10 MARTIN Tony GER19850423 HTC-HIGHROAD (THR) 114

will probably change a little in the next week. Maybe gilbert can seize the lead.

Team Rankings:

1 1 TEAM RADIOSHACK (RSH) USA 465
2 2 HTC-HIGHROAD (THR) USA 453
3 3 RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM (RAB) NED 398
4 4 TEAM GARMIN-CERVELO (GRM) USA 358
5 5 LEOPARD TREK (LEO) LUX 345
6 6 BMC RACING TEAM (BMC) USA 278
7 10 SKY PROCYCLING (SKY) GBR 275
8 12 OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO (OLO) BEL 258
9 7 LAMPRE - ISD (LAM) ITA 253
10 8 MOVISTAR TEAM (MOV) ESP 248
11 9 QUICKSTEP CYCLING TEAM (QST) BEL 234
12 11 SAXO BANK SUNGARD (SBS) DEN 219
13 13 LIQUIGAS-CANNONDALE (LIQ) ITA 168
14 16 KATUSHA TEAM (KAT) RUS 153
15 14 EUSKALTEL-EUSKADI (EUS) ESP 111
16 15 AG2R LA MONDIALE (ALM) FRA 103
17 17 VACANSOLEIL-DCM PRO CYCLING TEAM (VCD) NED 64
18 18 PRO TEAM ASTANA (AST) KAZ 45

obviously important in terms of who gets a PT license, providing the uci don't change again. Can only assume points will be an imporatnt factor. Not looking to good for vasc. I would assume astana will pick up some points from here on.

Nations Ranking:

1 3 BELGIUM BEL 560
2 2 AUSTRALIA AUS 558
3 1 ITALY ITA 525
4 4 SPAIN ESP 432
5 5 GERMANY GER 399
6 6 NETHERLANDS NED 342
7 7 SWITZERLAND SUI 296
8 8 UNITED STATES USA 266
9 9 FRANCE FRA 178
10 10 GREAT BRITAIN GBR 161
11 13 DENMARK DEN 92
12 11 IRELAND IRL 72
13 12 COLOMBIA COL 57
14 14 AUSTRIA AUT 44
15 15 PORTUGAL POR 43

Another important one. Top 10 determines which nations will have 9 riders in the road race at the world champs.
In particular I suspect GB will want to be in the top ten. Can having 8 guys in support rather then 2 or 5 will be massive boost for his hopes.

On a personal note. It is good to see the ducth at a much better place at this point of the season. They have made hard work of it in the last few years.
in 09 they didn't even manage to make the top 10.
However this year the riders have been up there in basically every pt race.
Not taht is matters this year, we have no hope

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CQ RANKINGS---
just for interest, CQ rankings a more fair and valid ranking system, which unfortunately has no impact. Outside the CQ game of course

Rider:

1. (4) GILBERT Philippe OLO 818
2. (64) GOSS Matthew THR 808
3. (9) CANCELLARA Fabian LEO 784
4. (85) KLÖDEN Andreas RSH 739
5. (12) SCARPONI Michele LAM 640
6. (8) SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel EUS 598
7. (2) CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto SBS 584
8. (39) ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin MOV 582
9. (11) GESINK Robert RAB 560
10. (7) FARRAR Tyler GRM 540

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/cqRankingRider.asp?year=2011

Team:

1. Team Garmin - Cervélo PRT 9920
2. Rabobank PRT 9766
3. HTC - Highroad PRT 9613
4. Leopard - Trek PRT 9304
5. Vacansoleil - DCM PRT 9285
6. Team RadioShack PRT 9052
7. Lampre - ISD PRT 8295
8. Sky Professional Cycling Team PRT 8228
9. Liquigas - Cannondale PRT 8227
10. Movistar Team PRT 7750
11. Katusha Team PRT 7299
12. SaxoBank - Sungard PRT 6766
13. OmegaPharma - Lotto PRT 6687
14. BMC Racing Team PRT 6210
15. FDJ PROF 5937
16. Ag2r - La Mondiale PRT 5798
17. Astana PRT 5595
18. Quick Step Cycling Team PRT 5390
19. Euskaltel - Euskadi PRT 5015
20. Cofidis, le Credit en Ligne PROF 4793

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/cqRankingTeam.asp?current=1

 

[aarnold517]

personally, i think these rankings are a joke. i know they're geared to count the larger races more, but vacansoleil at 17?!? in the cqranking for 2011 vacansoleil is number 8! that's ridiculous to have that big of a disparity between the two rankings, especially when i think most of us would agree that the cqranking is much much more reliable than these rankings

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

personally, i think these rankings are a joke. i know they're geared to count the larger races more, but vacansoleil at 17?!? in the cqranking for 2011 vacansoleil is number 8! that's ridiculous to have that big of a disparity between the two rankings, especially when i think most of us would agree that the cqranking is much much more reliable than these rankings

5th actually.
but agree the rankings are poorly constructed.

It all stems up to a crappy wt system tho.

edit sorry; I posted rankings of the last 12 months. not season

 

[luckyboy]

Vacansoleil were pretty different in CQ and UCI rankings last year iirc.

Also, regarding the team ranking and what could happen next year - Garmin, Katusha, Quick Step, Lotto and Saxo Bank's licenses all expire at the end of this year. Obviously Katusha and Lampre have other issues as well.

 

[Ferminal]

The 2011 CQ Team Rankings

1. [Usa] Team RadioShack PRT 3740
2. [Usa] Team Garmin - Cervélo PRT 3404
3. [Usa] HTC - Highroad PRT 3253
4. [Ned] Rabobank PRT 3247
5. [Esp] Movistar Team PRT 2748
6. [Gbr] Sky Professional Cycling Team PRT 2702
7. [Lux] Leopard - Trek PRT 2603
8. [Ned] Vacansoleil - DCM PRT 2575
9. [Fra] FDJ PROF 2570
10. [Ita] Lampre - ISD PRT 2219
11. [Bel] OmegaPharma - Lotto PRT 2045
12. [Ita] Liquigas - Cannondale PRT 2007
13. [Bel] Quick Step Cycling Team PRT 1991
14. [Fra] Cofidis, le Credit en Ligne PROF 1793
15. [Den] SaxoBank - Sungard PRT 1787
16. [Fra] Ag2r - La Mondiale PRT 1785
17. [Rus] Katusha Team PRT 1762
18. [Usa] BMC Racing Team PRT 1682
19. [Fra] Europcar PROF 1599
20. [Ita] Androni Giocattoli PROF 1576
21. [Fra] Saur - Sojasun PROF 1340
22. [Esp] Euskaltel - Euskadi PRT 1326
23. [Ned] Skil - Shimano PROF 1142
24. [Kaz] Astana PRT 1051
25. [Gbr] Farnese Vini - Neri Sottoli PROF 953

FDJ doing well.

 

[theswordsman]

It is an odd system, especially since we, or at least I, don't know what it's used for right now other than their end of year stats. At the meeting the teams walked out of, there was a presentation of the "ProTeam registration and ranking process for 2012". Hopefully some of that info will leak out. But last year the UCI wanted teams to compete at Quebec and Montreal, so winners there got the same UCI points as La Fleche Wallonne and Amstel Gold. Finishing tenth at Romandie gets you points. Winning Giro del Trentino gets you nothing. Contador got all of his points at Catalunya. Someone who raced Pais Vasco and Paris-Nice would have had a chance to earn more. It's nice that they announce the leaders, but it really doesn't mean much.

Races that count, with 4 different levels of points

Tour de France

Giro d'Italia
Vuelta a Espana

Tour Down Under
Paris-Nice
Tirreno-Adriatico
Milano-Sanremo
Tour des Flandres
Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco
Paris-Roubaix
Liège-Bastogne-Liège
Tour de Romandie
Volta Ciclista a Catalunya
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré
Tour de Suisse
Tour de Pologne
Eneco Tour
Giro di Lombardia

Gent - Wevelgem
Amstel Gold Race
La Flèche Wallonne
Clasica Ciclista San
Sebastian -San Sebastian
Vattenfall Cyclassics
GP Ouest France –Plouay
GP Cycliste Québec
GP Cycliste Montréal

http://www.uciworldtour.com/Modules...bjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NjY0NTM&LangId=1

 

[luckyboy]

Spent a few minutes looking for Ronde Van Vlaanderen

That's annoying. Like calling the Vuelta 'Espainiako ibilaldia' or something.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

actually I find cyclebase ranking to be the best.

http://www.cyclebase.nl/

1 Philippe Gilbert (bel) 810
2 Fabian Cancellara (sui) 746
3 Matthew Goss (aus) 719
4 Andreas Kloeden (ger) 634
5 Michele Scarponi (ita) 566
6 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (esp) 528
7 Robert Gesink (ned) 500
8 Alberto Contador Velasco (esp) 489
Tony Martin (ger) 489
10 Tyler Farrar (usa) 471
11 Jose Joaquin Rojas Gil (esp) 454
12 Alessandro Ballan (ita) 433
13 Francisco Jose Ventoso Alberdi (esp) 416
14 Cadel Evans (aus) 412
15 Xavier Tondo Volpini (esp) 397
16 Tom Boonen (bel) 367
17 Nick Nuyens (bel) 362
18 Cameron Meyer (aus) 360
19 Thomas Voeckler (fra) 354
20 Andre Greipel (ger) 351

1 RadioShack PT 2752
2 HTC - High Road PT 2451
3 Rabobank PT 2444
4 Garmin - Cervelo PT 2405
5 Movistar PT 2021
6 Sky PT 1993
7 Leopard - Trek PT 1990
8 Francaise des Jeux CP 1758
9 Vacansoleil - DCM PT 1687
10 Lampre - ISD PT 1588
11 Omega Pharma - Lotto PT 1539
12 Liquigas - Cannondale PT 1345
13 Quick Step PT 1291
14 Katusha PT 1283
15 Saxo Bank - Sungard PT 1188
16 BMC PT 1173
17 Androni Giocattoli CP 1125
18 Cofidis CP 1083
19 AG2R - La Mondiale PT 1018
20 Europcar CP 946

1 Spanje 3417
2 Italie 3275
3 Belgie 3084
4 Australie 2754
5 Nederland 2280
6 Frankrijk 2241
7 Duitsland 2097
8 Verenigde Staten van Amerika 1297
9 Groot-Brittannie 1065
10 Zwitserland 1011
11 Colombia 958
12 Rusland 933
13 Slovenie 580
14 Venezuela 525
15 Zuid-Afrika 519
16 Wit-Rusland 515
17 Canada 446
18 Iran 430
19 Portugal 425
20 Brazilie 407

 

[auscyclefan94]

No points system properley ranks riders acheivements for over a period of time. CQ is better and is a handy resource but still not the best.

 

[greenedge]

UCI World Rabkings---

Rider rankings

1 CANCELLARA Fabian SUI19810318 LEOPARD TREK (LEO) 236
2 GOSS Matthew Harley AUS19861105 HTC-HIGHROAD (THR) 203
3 KLÖDEN Andreas GER19750622 TEAM RADIOSHACK (RSH) 202
4 SCARPONI Michele ITA19790925 LAMPRE - ISD (LAM) 202
5 GILBERT Philippe BEL19820705 OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO (OLO) 176
6 GESINK Robert NED19860531 RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM (RAB) 156
7 HORNER Christopher USA19711023 TEAM RADIOSHACK (RSH) 143
8 BOONEN Tom BEL19801015 QUICKSTEP CYCLING TEAM (QST) 140
9 EVANS Cadel AUS19770214 BMC RACING TEAM (BMC) 128
10 MARTIN Tony GER19850423 HTC-HIGHROAD (THR) 114

will probably change a little in the next week. Maybe gilbert can seize the lead.

Team Rankings:

1 1 TEAM RADIOSHACK (RSH) USA 465
2 2 HTC-HIGHROAD (THR) USA 453
3 3 RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM (RAB) NED 398
4 4 TEAM GARMIN-CERVELO (GRM) USA 358
5 5 LEOPARD TREK (LEO) LUX 345
6 6 BMC RACING TEAM (BMC) USA 278
7 10 SKY PROCYCLING (SKY) GBR 275
8 12 OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO (OLO) BEL 258
9 7 LAMPRE - ISD (LAM) ITA 253
10 8 MOVISTAR TEAM (MOV) ESP 248
11 9 QUICKSTEP CYCLING TEAM (QST) BEL 234
12 11 SAXO BANK SUNGARD (SBS) DEN 219
13 13 LIQUIGAS-CANNONDALE (LIQ) ITA 168
14 16 KATUSHA TEAM (KAT) RUS 153
15 14 EUSKALTEL-EUSKADI (EUS) ESP 111
16 15 AG2R LA MONDIALE (ALM) FRA 103
17 17 VACANSOLEIL-DCM PRO CYCLING TEAM (VCD) NED 64
18 18 PRO TEAM ASTANA (AST) KAZ 45

obviously important in terms of who gets a PT license, providing the uci don't change again. Can only assume points will be an imporatnt factor. Not looking to good for vasc. I would assume astana will pick up some points from here on.

Nations Ranking:

1 3 BELGIUM BEL 560
2 2 AUSTRALIA AUS 558
3 1 ITALY ITA 525
4 4 SPAIN ESP 432
5 5 GERMANY GER 399
6 6 NETHERLANDS NED 342
7 7 SWITZERLAND SUI 296
8 8 UNITED STATES USA 266
9 9 FRANCE FRA 178
10 10 GREAT BRITAIN GBR 161
11 13 DENMARK DEN 92
12 11 IRELAND IRL 72
13 12 COLOMBIA COL 57
14 14 AUSTRIA AUT 44
15 15 PORTUGAL POR 43

Another important one. Top 10 determines which nations will have 9 riders in the road race at the world champs.
In particular I suspect GB will want to be in the top ten. Can having 8 guys in support rather then 2 or 5 will be massive boost for his hopes.

On a personal note. It is good to see the ducth at a much better place at this point of the season. They have made hard work of it in the last few years.
in 09 they didn't even manage to make the top 10.
However this year the riders have been up there in basically every pt race.
Not taht is matters this year, we have no hope

I find it odd that Italy are going well. Other than Scarponi, Guardini and Cunego they are not going so great. Spose it all adds up.

In the world tour rankings they should show the Pro continental teams as well don't you think. We should start a thread saying who might end up winning and being a pro tour team.

 

[Mambo95]

I find it odd that Italy are going well. Other than Scarponi, Guardini and Cunego they are not going so great. Spose it all adds up.

Italy's five riders (only the top 5 count towards the nation ranking) are actually Scaponi (202), Ballan (100), Basso (92), Nibali (71) and Bennati (62)

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

The UCI rankings/World Tour (different sides of same coin) are clearly a tool for establishing a top tier/premiership division. The nearer the existing body comes to providing such a thing, the lesser the likelihood of the top teams splitting off on their own to do the same thing. To that extent, it is comparable to the expansion of qualification criteria for the Champions League by UEFA rather than having the G14 (or whatever number they claim now) making a European Superleague as they have often threatened.

While CQ tells a story that should be told (UCI of course don't ignore the non-WT races, they count towards the very under-promoted continental rankings), I find the tracking of performance in a series of top races interesting, and worthwhile: results in the best races over results in bulk of races. Obviously there will be disagreements as to where the cut-off for events included is to be: not many of us would count Tour of Beijing or the Canadian races as among the top 27 events of the year.

 

[The Hitch]

I find a yearly rolling ranking far better than the ones here, all of which judge riders based on whether their races come early in the calendar

So without further adu


NIBALI Vincenzo 2170
GILBERT Philippe 2027
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 1994
SCARPONI Michele 1675
FARRAR Tyler 1673
GESINK Robert 1664
EVANS Cadel 1562
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel 1546
MARTIN Tony 1511
CANCELLARA Fabian 1487
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin 1477
VINOKOUROV Alexandre 1444
GOSS Matthew 1404
VISCONTI Giovanni 1383
CAVENDISH Mark 1333
BASSO Ivan 1317
SCHLECK Andy 1259
SCHLECK Fränk 1211
GREIPEL Andre 1207
VOECKLER Thomas 1150

 

[jaylew]

I find a yearly rolling ranking far better than the ones here, all of which judge riders based on whether their races come early in the calendar

Absolutely. If you're talking about an overall ranking. This thread seems to be about rankings for the year which is how Worlds qualification is decided. I wish they would use a rolling year ranking for a leaders jersey - that would be extremely cool, imo.

actually I find cyclebase ranking to be the best.

http://www.cyclebase.nl/

Looks like a good system. Almost identical placing to CQ.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

What a depressing list. The top end almost entirely populated by my least favourite teams.

And Rabobank.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

That's not suprising actually, the teams that end up have riders for every type of race..which is why they perform well

(except Radioshack, which has no classic riders and basically 23523523523 gc riders)

 

[Michielveedeebee]

I find a yearly rolling ranking far better than the ones here, all of which judge riders based on whether their races come early in the calendar

So without further adu


NIBALI Vincenzo 2170
GILBERT Philippe 2027
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 1994
SCARPONI Michele 1675
FARRAR Tyler 1673
GESINK Robert 1664
EVANS Cadel 1562
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel 1546
MARTIN Tony 1511
CANCELLARA Fabian 1487
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin 1477
VINOKOUROV Alexandre 1444
GOSS Matthew 1404
VISCONTI Giovanni 1383
CAVENDISH Mark 1333
BASSO Ivan 1317
SCHLECK Andy 1259
SCHLECK Fränk 1211
GREIPEL Andre 1207
VOECKLER Thomas 1150

How the hell does Farrar get's in 5th ?

 

[Willy_Voet]

How the hell does Farrar get's in 5th ?

From the rolling calendar...

He won some big races/stages at the end of last year...Vattenfall, Vuelta stages.

 

[El Pistolero]

Gilbert is the new leader.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I find a yearly rolling ranking far better than the ones here, all of which judge riders based on whether their races come early in the calendar

Bank holiday, and nothing on tv, so:
World ranking points from post-Romandie 2010 to post-Romandie 2011

1 Gilbert 489
2 Nibali 460
3 Gesink 452
4 Contador 421
5 Scarponi 399
6 Rodriguez 390
7 T Martin 375
8 Evans 366
9 S Sanchez 359
10 Vinokourov 329
11 Goss 312
12 Farrar 309
13 Basso 298
14 Cancellara 290
15 F Schleck 290
16 A Schleck 270
17 Kloden 262
18 Boassen Hagen 222
19 Hesjedal 212
20 Horner 205

 

[The Hitch]

I wish they would use a rolling year ranking for a leaders jersey - that would be extremely cool, imo.

Absolutely. That would be brilliant. A rolling rankings leaders jersey, it would become prestigious quite quickly simply for the fact that all the riders who wear it would have to be absolutely top.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yeah right now no one cares about the World Tour. Gilbert already said he doesn't care for it and isn't going to defend it.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

True. How great was the world cup jersey?

 

[Jukebox]

Absolutely. That would be brilliant. A rolling rankings leaders jersey, it would become prestigious quite quickly simply for the fact that all the riders who wear it would have to be absolutely top.

The issue, however, is that there is no beginning or end of the cycle. So nobody would ever be able to 'win' it.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

The issue, however, is that there is no beginning or end of the cycle. So nobody would ever be able to 'win' it.

Fail - it still allows the same end of season cut off to occur - your complaint could just as easily, and incorrectly, be made against the current system.

This just makes the mid-season jersey feel a bit more meaningful.

Personally, no jersey at all would be super.