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Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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As I recall, he dictated pace a lot but it was only on stage 9 that he rode people off his wheel. He crashed on stage 12 but it was not bad. I’m not saying it didn’t impact him, but he looked the strongest of the GC riders finishing that stage. Mas was quicker on the climbs in aggregate than Remco. Roglic put :56 into him on stage 14 (likely some impact from crash, but also could have been some cumulative fatigue).
He couldn't get off his bike without people carrying him off 2 days after the crash.

If it was cumulative fatigue, it'd be very weird how he rode the rest of the race, including the stage he won, where he wasted a lot of energy with silly counters and attacks, just to outsprint Mas and overtake Gesink at the end. On stage 15 Roglic attacked him at the foot of the Sierra Nevada climb with all of Visma going full gas, but he couldn't drop Evenepoel, who after that lead most of the climb, except when Vervaeke dropped back to do some work. Roglic stayed in the wheel all climb long, and launched an attack at the top to take 15 seconds. Mas who had attacked sooner, ended up taking 36s. If it was fatigue, his tempo would have dropped and Roglic would have attacked a lot sooner or followed Mas to ensure winning the Vuelta.
 
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As I recall, he dictated pace a lot but it was only on stage 9 that he rode people off his wheel. He crashed on stage 12 but it was not bad. I’m not saying it didn’t impact him, but he looked the strongest of the GC riders finishing that stage. Mas was quicker on the climbs in aggregate than Remco. Roglic put :56 into him on stage 14 (likely some impact from crash, but also could have been some cumulative fatigue).
Crash impacted him on stage 14, and Mas only gained time on stage 15 because Remco mostly cared about Roglic who was his only real opponent at that point, Mas being almost 3min behind.
 
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As I recall, he dictated pace a lot but it was only on stage 9 that he rode people off his wheel. He crashed on stage 12 but it was not bad. I’m not saying it didn’t impact him, but he looked the strongest of the GC riders finishing that stage. Mas was quicker on the climbs in aggregate than Remco. Roglic put :56 into him on stage 14 (likely some impact from crash, but also could have been some cumulative fatigue).
Aaah, it's good to bring back memories when Remco was still capable of winning GT's... The good ol' days! :D

To make sure the memories are memorable, it's important to emphasize Remco's greatness back in those days:

As I remember, Remco smashed the competition almost on every climb, and it started way earlier, on stage 6, with Pico Jano:
Admitted, Vine was the best that day, but from the GC riders, only Mas barely held on for dear life while Remco only rode his (murderous) pace.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wnaUEAY5s0


Next, we have stage 9 where he indeed smashed the competition on las Praeres:

After Remco almost died in that crash, he heroically survived the cowardly attacks on Sierra de la Pandera. Remco was weak and his enemies tried to turn the knife in the wound:

Luckily, the balance in the universe slowly restored on Sierra Nevada were the Remcomeback was set in:

The cycling Gods decided that enough was enough, and they punished Roglic for his hubris not realizing Remco had a puncture, in Tomares, stage 16:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/vuelta-a-espana/2022/stage-16

With Roglic out, the forum exploded and the wounds healed but would not be forgotten. The Eternal Rivalry between the young and coming little pizzaman and the Slovenian "je ne sais quoi" was started, for good. Mas was the only remaining competitor but king Remco ruled the Vuelta from that moment on.
 
If Remco's form was coming, in crescendo, considering he broke his scapula only seven weeks before and only had 4 weeks of training, then maybe he's actually on target for a super peak at the Tour. But he needs to lose those extra 2-3 kg by the start.
Yeah, he's not going to win the Tour this year, but I do think some folks are getting a little excited about Dauphine results, and results after the crash as you point out. The Dauphine is an interesting indicator of things. It's quite often been a race in which Tour winners or podium placers have done poorly.

He's gonna be good for the Tour. Podium seems about the peak. I predict top 5. Which would be a heck of a result after crashing like he did. Not what we have all been hoping from him, but...the crashes are becoming a real limiter in his career. Tough to just appear after a crash and dramatically improve your best level, which is what he'd have to do to podium or win.

He shows up in Vuelta 22 form? He'll podium IMO. Just not sure he can get there. I'll live.
 
Yeah, he's not going to win the Tour this year, but I do think some folks are getting a little excited about Dauphine results, and results after the crash as you point out. The Dauphine is an interesting indicator of things. It's quite often been a race in which Tour winners or podium placers have done poorly.

He's gonna be good for the Tour. Podium seems about the peak. I predict top 5. Which would be a heck of a result after crashing like he did. Not what we have all been hoping from him, but...the crashes are becoming a real limiter in his career. Tough to just appear after a crash and dramatically improve your best level, which is what he'd have to do to podium or win.

He shows up in Vuelta 22 form? He'll podium IMO. Just not sure he can get there. I'll live.

I also predict top 5.
Most likely Pogi, Vingo and Roglic for the podium, next 2 places is more uncertain and I think he has the means to be better than all the rest, so that's where I put him for now.
 
Aaah, it's good to bring back memories when Remco was still capable of winning GT's... The good ol' days! :D

To make sure the memories are memorable, it's important to emphasize Remco's greatness back in those days:

As I remember, Remco smashed the competition almost on every climb, and it started way earlier, on stage 6, with Pico Jano:
Admitted, Vine was the best that day, but from the GC riders, only Mas barely held on for dear life while Remco only rode his (murderous) pace.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wnaUEAY5s0


Next, we have stage 9 where he indeed smashed the competition on las Praeres:

After Remco almost died in that crash, he heroically survived the cowardly attacks on Sierra de la Pandera. Remco was weak and his enemies tried to turn the knife in the wound:

Luckily, the balance in the universe slowly restored on Sierra Nevada were the Remcomeback was set in:

The cycling Gods decided that enough was enough, and they punished Roglic for his hubris not realizing Remco had a puncture, in Tomares, stage 16:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/vuelta-a-espana/2022/stage-16

With Roglic out, the forum exploded and the wounds healed but would not be forgotten. The Eternal Rivalry between the young and coming little pizzaman and the Slovenian "je ne sais quoi" was started, for good. Mas was the only remaining competitor but king Remco ruled the Vuelta from that moment on.
I don’t agree with all of this, but I love the post.
 
Yeah, he's not going to win the Tour this year, but I do think some folks are getting a little excited about Dauphine results, and results after the crash as you point out. The Dauphine is an interesting indicator of things. It's quite often been a race in which Tour winners or podium placers have done poorly.

He's gonna be good for the Tour. Podium seems about the peak. I predict top 5. Which would be a heck of a result after crashing like he did. Not what we have all been hoping from him, but...the crashes are becoming a real limiter in his career. Tough to just appear after a crash and dramatically improve your best level, which is what he'd have to do to podium or win.

He shows up in Vuelta 22 form? He'll podium IMO. Just not sure he can get there. I'll live.
A few considerations. Roglic dropped on the last stage, so he's not in stable form. Not a good sign as he didn't break bones at Itzulia. Remco came in only 10 secs behind. He was just training and testing himself. We don't even know if Vingegaard will ride the Tour and, if so, how can he be in top shape? He was worse off than Remco at Itzulia and could not ride the Dauphine. Pogacar has the Giro in his legs, although probably this won't prevent him from doing the first double since Pantani. But Tour week three could see him falter (though I doubt it). Point is that if Remco has come through the Dauphine in crescendo AND he loses the last kg he can do a top result in the Tour. Both need to be the case, however, or else he won't be in the GC hunt. Yet I actually agree with Horner for once on the latest Butterfly Effect.
View: https://youtu.be/YknalV2yG9w?si=DrxcbXP5zi-OF35i
 
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A few considerations. Roglic dropped on the last stage, so he's not in stable form. Not a good sign as he didn't break bones at Itzulia. Remco came in only 10 secs behind. He was just training and testing himself. We don't even know if Vingegaard will ride the Tour and, if so, how can he be in top shape? He was worse off than Remco at Itzulia and could not ride the Dauphine. Pogacar has the Giro in his legs, although probably this won't prevent him from doing the first double since Pantani. But Tour week three could see him falter (though I doubt it). Point is that if Remco has come through the Dauphine in crescendo AND he loses the last kg he can do a top result in the Tour. Both need to be the case, however, or else he won't be in the GC hunt. Yet I actually agree with Horner for once on the latest Butterfly Effect.
View: https://youtu.be/YknalV2yG9w?si=DrxcbXP5zi-OF35i
Good on ya for listening, but I don't know how anyone can take more than 3 minutes of Horner. A bad combo of saying nothing of particular interest and constantly repeating himself. At least as far into any video I've been able to make it.

He REALLY needs a partner to but a break into the incessant stream of mouth-flapping.
 
Good on ya for listening, but I don't know how anyone can take more than 3 minutes of Horner. A bad combo of saying nothing of particular interest and constantly repeating himself. At least as far into any video I've been able to make it.

He REALLY needs a partner to but a break into the incessant stream of mouth-flapping.
I realize Horner's oratory skills are lacking, but the content of his argument this time I have to generally agree with.
 
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We have seen him like that (maybe not equally fit, but equally lean). But the team is convinced that having him that lean is bad for him. Because obviously what happened at the '21 Giro had nothing to do with his crash in Lombardia, the relapse, the overtraining, 9 months without racing etc.
There is a possible transition to a leaner, lighter GC version of Remco. It would not be a guaranteed outcome that he'd be a solid Tour winner and would come at the expense of his huge talents in other races. MvP doesn't face the pressure to fulfill the dreams of others and WvA knows he's not a Tour contender, either. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and he can evolve as he wants. He may be only 24 but he's been carrying the hopes of many on his back since he was a junior.
 
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We have seen him like that (maybe not equally fit, but equally lean). But the team is convinced that having him that lean is bad for him. Because obviously what happened at the '21 Giro had nothing to do with his crash in Lombardia, the relapse, the overtraining, 9 months without racing etc.

not to mention blowing an engine on the gravel stage because he didn't know to stay at the front then repeating the same mistake on the Zoncolon stage, forcing him to do a wasteful 30 minute chase after the first descent
 
Good on ya for listening, but I don't know how anyone can take more than 3 minutes of Horner. A bad combo of saying nothing of particular interest and constantly repeating himself. At least as far into any video I've been able to make it.

He REALLY needs a partner to but a break into the incessant stream of mouth-flapping.
Well, I think the level of Horner in the butterfly effect is higher than the level of 95 % of the people on this forum. Even though I don't always agree with him (but's that's ok). Today he said that he believed Evenepoel would be at top form at the start of the Tour. I think he's right. Although I don't think he will be quite at 100 %, but at 99,5 %. Horner also said that the main problem of Evenepoel would be his team (not a surprise). Especially the case of Van Wilder. It has been below par all season. He was still mediocre during the first stages of the Dauphiné, resulting in underperforming in the TT. After which he had to give up due to his crash. It seems impossible that Van Wilders will be in shape at the start of the Tour. Which means Landa is the only climber in the team. The only helper in the final of mountain stages. But not able to support Evenepoel in the final climb after having brought water bottles and food to the front from the team leader's car all the time. Van Wilder's too low level was not predictable. But why did the team let the third climber, Hirt, participate at the Giro. He did well, with an eight place. But he should have been in the Tourteam instead of riding a top 10 in the Giro.
 
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Well, I think the level of Horner in the butterfly effect is higher than the level of 95 % of the people on this forum. Even though I don't always agree with him (but's that's ok). Today he said that he believed Evenepoel would be at top form at the start of the Tour. I think he's right. Although I don't think he will be quite at 100 %, but at 99,5 %. Horner also said that the main problem of Evenepoel would be his team (not a surprise). Especially the case of Van Wilder. It has been below par all season. He was still mediocre during the first stages of the Dauphiné, resulting in underperforming in the TT. After which he had to give up due to his crash. It seems impossible that Van Wilders will be in shape at the start of the Tour. Which means Landa is the only climber in the team. The only helper in the final of mountain stages. But not able to support Evenepoel in the final climb after having brought water bottles and food to the front from the team leader's car all the time. Van Wilder's too low level was not predictable. But why did the team let the third climber, Hirt, participate at the Giro. He did well, with an eight place. But he should have been in the Tourteam instead of riding a top 10 in the Giro.
I think Evenepoel is the type of rider who doesn't need that much of a help in the climbs, due to his style of climbing.
 
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