• The Cycling News forum is looking to add some volunteer moderators with Red Rick's recent retirement. If you're interested in helping keep our discussions on track, send a direct message to @SHaines here on the forum, or use the Contact Us form to message the Community Team.

    In the meanwhile, please use the Report option if you see a post that doesn't fit within the forum rules.

    Thanks!

Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

Page 1012 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.

Should we change the thread title?


  • Total voters
    121
I do understand the basics of watts/kg. ;) +1 on your Soudal/mega-budget teams comments.

My question is about why a pre-Tour weigh-in, or making exact rider weights public, would be desirable for the sport. Again, no strong feelings either way, just curious about @Andre 's POV on it.
You know it's interesting that in Euro cycling metaphor cycling is always compared to boxing. Getting punched in the face, after all isn't very different from being attacked. So perhaps knowing rider weights would let everybody grasp who they are up against, but only the lower the weight with respect to sustainable power determines the heavyweight category. Because they punch harder. 😛
 
Interesting. Why?

Seems like the one bit of data they keep close to the vest these days. I don't have any strong feelings about it, just curious how you feel it would improve things.
It's simple, it would save so much speculation as to the actual weight. It would have saved us a few pages of guessing their weight. Am I wrong in thinking like this?
 
Like @FroomeWagon said: it would make for an interesting stat to read into. Then you can compare certain riders' weight to other performances in other races. I mean, the teams already know their riders' weight but the other teams don't know. Maybe it could lead to more strategies; like a chess game in trying to outsmart your opponent between the team directors or trainers.
 
  • Like
Reactions: xo 1
It's simple, it would save so much speculation as to the actual weight. It would have saved us a few pages of guessing their weight. Am I wrong in thinking like this?
No, it would do exactly that.

I'm just not sure the sport at large needs/wants it. But in the spirit of open data, it could be cool.

History tells me there are strong reasons why teams not only don't make this data public, but mis-direct about it.

Getting punched in the face, after all isn't very different from being attacked.
I'll take getting attacked on a bike every time, thanks. ;)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
No, it would do exactly that.

I'm just not sure the sport at large needs/wants it. But in the spirit of open data, it could be cool.

History tells me there are strong reasons why teams not only don't make this data public, but mis-direct about it.


I'll take getting attacked on a bike every time, thanks. ;)
I don't know how hard you've been attacked, but under certain circumstances, the punch can seem like being hit really f-ng hard deep in the 12th round. 🥴
 
  • Like
Reactions: red_flanders
The thing is the crash meant he still had much work to do for the climbs at the Dauphine, but seemed to have finished in crescendo. The past two weeks thus were crucial to arrive at the Tour close to 💯, let's say at 98%, to be at 💯 by the stage 7 TT and then hold it till the end of the Tour. In theory it should be doable, especially considering he didn't have a first peak for LBL. So if he can get through the first stages and the Galibier without losing time, or negligable time, then he could surpass expectations. Of course that all also depends on how he handles his first Tour mentally and how high his level is. If I were his coach, I'd be trying to make him feel as relaxed and focussed as possible.

remember, he was also legitly sick during the dauphine to the point where he felt just like he did after the covid TT
 
  • Like
Reactions: Extinction
Soudal correlates his weight with the number of flat tt kms. So if they consistently apply this his weight should be hopefully closer to 62kg (vuelta 2022). In giro 2023 (63kg) there were a lot of flat tt kms.
As previously mentioned, 1kg costs 1 minute per 1 hour of climbing. I assume SQS is aware of this. Even in the most TT heavy GT with few HC climbs, this will never be a winning strategy.
 
Interview in HLN with him (dutch). He looks ready for the race. Lost 1-1.5kg, and thinks he improved another 10-15% compared to the Dauphine. He only went all out during the TT of the Dauphine, and never during the mountain stages because he knew he wasn't in proper shape and just wanted to get some racing in him and focus on his second altitude training camp.

The goal for TDF is top 5, but if everything goes well he thinks he should be able to finish on the podium. But he doesn't want the extra stress that brings such a goal on his teammates and staff.


------------

Another interview with Het Nieuwsblad. He was really sick before the NC, and the interviewer finds him to look very sharp. It's a zoom call though.

 
Last edited:
Interview in HLN with him (dutch). He looks ready for the race. Lost 1-1.5kg, and thinks he improved another 10-15% compared to the Dauphine. He only went all out during the TT of the Dauphine, and never during the mountain stages because he knew he wasn't in proper shape and just wanted to get some racing in him and focus on his second altitude training camp.

The goal for TDF is top 5, but if everything goes well he thinks he should be able to finish on the podium. But he doesn't want the extra stress that brings such a goal on his teammates and staff.

it is weird wo aim for a top 5, not a podium, and don't bring a quite good sprinter. But ok, seems like Remco needs quite a bit of team help navigating the peloton.

Top 5 is still a big achievement for anyone not named Jonas or Tadej mind you, also a likely white jersey and Landa can still podium with polka dots on the side ;).