Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[BahamontesPhantom]

It’s wild that Vingegaard is racing the Giro right now, and yet his rider thread isn’t even on the first page. Meanwhile, people continue yammering on about whether or not Remco won that 2022 Vuelta fair and square (he did) or proved he was the strongest in the 2023 Giro (he did not).

As a side note, because I am part of the above, Geraint Thomas finished closer to first in the 2022 Tour in the GT immediately preceding that 2023 Giro than Remco did in 2024. Like Remco, he got destroyed on a couple big climbs when the top two really went for it (Huatacam, etc.) but also hung with them when it was raced in a more traditional manner (Alpe).

Modern professional cycling isn’t really known for charismatic participants, Vingegaard particularly is someone is quite hard to find anything interesting to talk about.

 

[Red Rick]

It’s wild that Vingegaard is racing the Giro right now, and yet his rider thread isn’t even on the first page. Meanwhile, people continue yammering on about whether or not Remco won that 2022 Vuelta fair and square (he did) or proved he was the strongest in the 2023 Giro (he did not).

As a side note, because I am part of the above, Geraint Thomas finished closer to first in the 2022 Tour in the GT immediately preceding that 2023 Giro than Remco did in 2024. Like Remco, he got destroyed on a couple big climbs when the top two really went for it (Huatacam, etc.) but also hung with them when it was raced in a more traditional manner (Alpe).

People are trying to manifest Evenepoel becoming Vingegaards' level of climber

 

[Berniece]

I don't mind that. I'm thinking more about riders like Del Toro, Lipowitz, Seixas who seem to have a similar chance (or bigger chance) of getting a TdF win but no one talks about them. At least not constantly like Remco.

Del Toro? In what world

 

[AmRacer]

Del Toro? In what world

The real world we all are living in

 

[Ulle97]

When did he ran out of gas? When he won a mountain stage in the last week?

When he got dropped on Pandera, Sierra Nevada and on an 800m hill on the way to Tomares.

If Roglic stayed on course for those last few mountain stages, I think Remco would be under threat.

 

[SHAD0W93]

When he got dropped on Pandera, Sierra Nevada and on an 800m hill on the way to Tomares.

If Roglic stayed on course for those last few mountain stages, I think Remco would be under threat.

Sierra Nevada was also after Evenepoel did the pacing and recently after a crash. He also surprised Visma and blew up their train before it even began. I think it would have been close but Evenepoel still gets the win.

 

[bah]

I don't mind this thread being so active. What bothers me is the main reason behind this thread being so active (TdF win and his GT weight bla bla bla).

you're probably one of the most active posters on this thread.

 

[Berniece]

When he got dropped on Pandera, Sierra Nevada and on an 800m hill on the way to Tomares.

If Roglic stayed on course for those last few mountain stages, I think Remco would be under threat.

After his crash… nothing to do with running out of gas. Vine also running out of gas this Giro

 

[AmRacer]

Sierra Nevada was also after Evenepoel did the pacing and recently after a crash. He also surprised Visma and blew up their train before it even began. I think it would have been close but Evenepoel still gets the win.

Nope, no chance

 

[Red Rick]

When he got dropped on Pandera, Sierra Nevada and on an 800m hill on the way to Tomares.

If Roglic stayed on course for those last few mountain stages, I think Remco would be under threat.

I don't think so, mainly because the route in the 3rd week was super soft for a GT.

But it would've been a cool race to have

 

[Ulle97]

I don't think so, mainly because the route in the 3rd week was super soft for a GT.

But it would've been a cool race to have

I think his 1st place would have been under threat.

Roglic was 2min 41sec behind after the ITT but had it whittled down to 1min 26 secs with 4 stages left. He had a chance although the gradients were soft on those climbs on Piornal, Navacerrada etc

 

[KoopaCycling]

I think his 1st place would have been under threat.

Roglic was 2min 41sec behind after the ITT but had it whittled down to 1min 26 secs with 4 stages left. He had a chance although the gradients were soft on those climbs on Piornal, Navacerrada etc

remco recovered from his crash though. i think it would have been more cause of mental stress than physical ineptitude had remco failed to win

 

[Red Rick]

I think his 1st place would have been under threat.

Roglic was 2min 41sec behind after the ITT but had it whittled down to 1min 26 secs with 4 stages left. He had a chance although the gradients were soft on those climbs on Piornal, Navacerrada etc

Stage 17 and 18had gaps of like 13 seconds between the best, and stage 20 had the top of GC seperated by like 2 seconds. Impossible to gain a minute there.

Realistically if there was a chance for Roglic to win it, it was gone because he wasn't good enough on Sierra Nevada.

Take the final five stages of any subsequent year and yes there's a decent chance.

 

[Berniece]

I think his 1st place would have been under threat.

Roglic was 2min 41sec behind after the ITT but had it whittled down to 1min 26 secs with 4 stages left. He had a chance although the gradients were soft on those climbs on Piornal, Navacerrada etc

You use Sierra de La Pandera and Sierra Nevada as examples on him losing time and why you think 1st place would be under threat. On both stages he lost 63s to Roglic and to Mas 56s. So barely a difference between those two.

Then Evenepoel actually recovers, and Mas isn't able to drop him anywhere anymore. So everything points in the direction of the crash affecting Evenepoel, and not him running out of fumes or that he would have difficulties in the third week.

 

[AmRacer]

You use Sierra de La Pandera and Sierra Nevada as examples on him losing time and why you think 1st place would be under threat. On both stages he lost 63s to Roglic and to Mas 56s. So barely a difference between those two.

Then Evenepoel actually recovers, and Mas isn't able to drop him anywhere anymore. So everything points in the direction of the crash affecting Evenepoel, and not him running out of fumes or that he would have difficulties in the third week.

It isn't Wrigth, Rogla would've won the Vuelta.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

You use Sierra de La Pandera and Sierra Nevada as examples on him losing time and why you think 1st place would be under threat. On both stages he lost 63s to Roglic and to Mas 56s. So barely a difference between those two.

Then Evenepoel actually recovers, and Mas isn't able to drop him anywhere anymore. So everything points in the direction of the crash affecting Evenepoel, and not him running out of fumes or that he would have difficulties in the third week.

Yeah, it seems Pandera was Evenepoel's worst performance. The next day in Sierra Nevada he was already good: he paced a lot and still Rogla gained very little time (Mas gained more but he also had bigger GC loss). It does indicate the crash was the reason.

 

[Ulle97]

You use Sierra de La Pandera and Sierra Nevada as examples on him losing time and why you think 1st place would be under threat. On both stages he lost 63s to Roglic and to Mas 56s. So barely a difference between those two.

Then Evenepoel actually recovers, and Mas isn't able to drop him anywhere anymore. So everything points in the direction of the crash affecting Evenepoel, and not him running out of fumes or that he would have difficulties in the third week.

I think you know I'm referring to Roglic threatening Remco, not Mas. (I never even mentioned Mas)
Roglic in that era was a beast who himself was only recovering from a long lay off and was visibly getting stronger as the race progressed. I think he'd have really gone for it in those last few stages.

 

[Berniece]

I think you know I'm referring to Roglic threatening Remco, not Mas. (I never even mentioned Mas)
Roglic in that era was a beast who himself was only recovering from a long lay off and was visibly getting stronger as the race progressed. I think he'd have really gone for it in those last few stages.

I know you didn't mention Mas and are talking about Roglic. I'm saying that Mas gained almost as much time as Roglic during those two stages, and afterwards didn't gain anything anymore because Evenepoel recovered from his crash. There's nothing that indicates Roglic would actually get more time back.

 

[AmRacer]

I know you didn't mention Mas and are talking about Roglic. I'm saying that Mas gained almost as much time as Roglic during those two stages, and afterwards didn't gain anything anymore because Evenepoel recovered from his crash. There's nothing that indicates Roglic would actually get more time back.

Yes it was, Roglic getting better and better after his crash.

 

[Ulle97]

I know you didn't mention Mas and are talking about Roglic. I'm saying that Mas gained almost as much time as Roglic during those two stages, and afterwards didn't gain anything anymore because Evenepoel recovered from his crash. There's nothing that indicates Roglic would actually get more time back.

Of course we will never know if he would get the time back. Because he crashed out!!!
My assumption is that Roglic would have gone all out in those stages to pressure Remco. Just look at the trouble Roglic caused on the stage to Tomares. An 800m long hill. Neither Mas nor Remco could follow.

2022 Roglic was a much different beast than now. He was the owner of the Vuelta red jersey for years and had finished ahead of Jonas at that year's Dauphine.

Anyway, we'll never know how it would pan out. My belief is that Remco would have done very well to hold on.
You're entitled to your view that Roglic would not pull back more time, based on the fact that Enric Mas could not.

 

[Berniece]

Of course we will never know if he would get the time back. Because he crashed out!!!
My assumption is that Roglic would have gone all out in those stages to pressure Remco. Just look at the trouble Roglic caused on the stage to Tomares. An 800m long hill. Neither Mas nor Remco could follow.

2022 Roglic was a much different beast than now. He was the owner of the Vuelta red jersey for years and had finished ahead of Jonas at that year's Dauphine.

Anyway, we'll never know how it would pan out. My belief is that Remco would have done very well to hold on.
You're entitled to your view that Roglic would not pull back more time, based on the fact that Enric Mas could not.

On that 800m hill Evenepoel had a mechanical

 

[Ulle97]

Going by your logic, he wouldn't have been able to follow Roglic because Mas was on the same level as Remco. And Mas got dropped on that hill. As did all the other contenders.

 

[Berniece]

Going by your logic, he wouldn't have been able to follow Roglic because Mas was on the same level as Remco. And Mas got dropped on that hill. As did all the other contenders.

You are using that as an example not me. First of all, Evenepoel had a mechanical there. Secondly, it's a 800m hill which is not the same as a 15km mountain. That's why MVDP isn't winning TDF. Thirdly Roglic took everyone by surprise there.

If you want to think Roglic could've made it exciting, and Evenepoel might not have won Vuelta 2022, go ahead. I don't agree with it, because nothing showed Evenepoel had trouble in the 3rd week once he recovered from his crash.

 

[AmRacer]

You are using that as an example not me. First of all, Evenepoel had a mechanical there. Secondly, it's a 800m hill which is not the same as a 15km mountain. That's why MVDP isn't winning TDF. Thirdly Roglic took everyone by surprise there.

If you want to think Roglic could've made it exciting, and Evenepoel might not have won Vuelta 2022, go ahead. I don't agree with it, because nothing showed Evenepoel had trouble in the 3rd week once he recovered from his crash.

Just everything pointed to a Rogla victory

 

[SHAD0W93]

It isn't Wrigth, Rogla would've won the Vuelta.

Shouldn’t ride into the back of someone and then it’d be Wright.