The Rohan Dennis threat

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So is his career over?

He's been much slower on the ITT this year so he very much could have lost 40W, but I doubt it's the equipment

He's literally bleeding ~1-2s/km compared to last season
 
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luckyboy said:
I can't believe that Bahrain's equipment is that bad. And just to randomly leave the race at that point over it doesn't make any sense either.

Tratnik and Dennis both have TT wins this season on that equipment. Nibali had very good TTs at the Giro, Caruso in the final TT there too. Padun won the Ukraine TT Champs.
Are months that i'm waiting an answer on Nibali performances from who support that teory about the terrible equipment of the team that cost load of watts and seconds to him in TTs, because if that's true you have to wonder what Nibali could do with a BMC or Pinarello bike that are the ones picked as best.
No one also explained why Dennis, on the same route, was only 9" slower than last year in the national TT championship over 40,9 kms, a ludicrous difference on such distance.
 
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Rupert Guiness has some answers

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/what-the-hell-am-i-doing-behind-rohan-dennis-tour-walk-out-20190719-p528v1.html

‘To this day, there are times when I think 'what the hell am I doing?’,’’ Dennis said. ‘‘In 2018 I reckon there were half a dozen times when I thought 'I could quit – right now’ and January last year was the big one . . . I did not want to race my bike ever again. I was over this sport. But after a while you snap out of it and maybe it’s a a bit of a depressed period, for a week or something, then you realise why you like it again. I have these little periods when things aren’t going well, across the board, sometimes it’s a bit tough. It’s the same with every job . . . you’re bashing your head against the wall 'what am I doing? what am I doing?’ Eventually that wall shows a crack and you’re 'that’s why I’m doing it’, but I still go through those periods.’’
 
Well if Dennis wants to ride the World's ITT he needs to be fired by Bahrain Merida, which is every possibility - If he is suspended that means he can't accrue many race days before the world's which will put him at a disadvantage - he will be picked up by another WT team.
 
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Moviefan1203 said:
I hope it’s not mental health.
i think you might be on the money. A TT rider not happy about his equipment or his team managers ? That has to play on his mind and team didn't understand his exit so they say. I expect him to be riding elsewhere next year one way or another. He will try and break his contract I think.
 
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the delgados said:
glassmoon said:
Blanco said:
Rohan Dennis is a disgrace for this sport, you just don't do this to your team no matter what reason you have.
Disgrace is that that team was even allowed to come to existence :rolleyes:
"Rohan Dennis is a disgrace for this sport"...blah blah blah..."no matter what reason you have."
That is a remarkable thing to say given the history of this team and its financial backers.
Seriously, a five minute google search will tell you all you need to know about Nasser and the horrendous crimes he and his cronies have committed to the people who reside in his country--people who have committed so-called crimes that include wanting to have a voice. If records submitted by creditable world-wide institutions are to be believed, this Prince Nassar guy took place in torture. I'm not saying he was a by-stander who gave the nod to his cronies; I'm saying the guy actually laid hands on so-called dissidents.
I am almost certain that this is not why Rohan bailed, but it provides an opportunity to shed light on the people who sign his pay cheques.
UCI leaders should be ashamed of themselves.
And how the hell is all this connected with Rohan Dennis leaving the team in the middle of the Tour de France!?
 
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DNP-Old said:
ppanther92 said:
DNP-Old said:
18-Valve. (pithy) said:
I said it in the beginning of the year, during the Tirreno: Dennis decline isn't due to some transition to becoming a GC threat, it's the Merida bikes. They're godawful on itself, let alone when compared to the BMC wondermachine. So in that sense, I completely understand him. To make such a point of it, in the middle of a stage, after 7 months however is a bit strange.
So basically Nibali and Caruso would have crushed Roglic and Co. in the ITTs if only they had better bikes?
I don't know, it's impossible to tell a margin of difference with other bikes. Especially in a grand tour where recuperation and peaking plays a big role too. What is a fact however, is that almost every rider somehow sees a decline in TT results once they sign with Bahrain (or teams with other terrible materials). Dennis isn't the first and he certainly won't be the last. Merida, Cervelo (its old model at least) are junk when compared to BMC, Pinarello or the current Bianchi's for instance.
Nonsense.
 
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Blanco said:
the delgados said:
glassmoon said:
Blanco said:
Rohan Dennis is a disgrace for this sport, you just don't do this to your team no matter what reason you have.
Disgrace is that that team was even allowed to come to existence :rolleyes:
"Rohan Dennis is a disgrace for this sport"...blah blah blah..."no matter what reason you have."
That is a remarkable thing to say given the history of this team and its financial backers.
Seriously, a five minute google search will tell you all you need to know about Nasser and the horrendous crimes he and his cronies have committed to the people who reside in his country--people who have committed so-called crimes that include wanting to have a voice. If records submitted by creditable world-wide institutions are to be believed, this Prince Nassar guy took place in torture. I'm not saying he was a by-stander who gave the nod to his cronies; I'm saying the guy actually laid hands on so-called dissidents.
I am almost certain that this is not why Rohan bailed, but it provides an opportunity to shed light on the people who sign his pay cheques.
UCI leaders should be ashamed of themselves.
And how the hell is all this connected with Rohan Dennis leaving the team in the middle of the Tour de France!?
Ha! I had a gut feeling that someone would chime in without thinking about what I said.
Take a look back; the question you ask has already been answered.
 
Another report says that Rohan and his Manager (Andrew McQuaid) were seen in conversation about an hour before the stage start. On his way back to the bus a reporter (Rob Arnold) tried to ask a question and was given a "vicious stare" and some unprintable words in response. Makes you wonder what he and his Manager were discussing. Meanwhile, not the slightest sign of any leak from among the rest of the team. I wonder what Alan Peiper knows, it was he that Dennis followed from Garmin to BMC in 2014, and they both moved on to Bahrain following the demise of BMC.
 
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Leinster said:
DNP-Old said:
18-Valve. (pithy) said:
I said it in the beginning of the year, during the Tirreno: Dennis decline isn't due to some transition to becoming a GC threat, it's the Merida bikes. They're godawful on itself, let alone when compared to the BMC wondermachine. So in that sense, I completely understand him. To make such a point of it, in the middle of a stage, after 7 months however is a bit strange.
Then why, as a TT specialist, sign for a team with "MERIDA" right there in their name? Even if the Sheik himself personally drove a Ferrari full of cash up to his house, he still had to know what equipment he was getting himself into. He probably would've had to take a paycut, but if he'd signed for, say, DD for this year, he'd still be on a BMC bike, he'd be wearing Assos kit, and his sponsors would be in charge of the time keeping at all the major races.
One would assume, that Dennis has been given promises on development of equipment, when he signed...... and that those promises has not been kept.
A cycle manufacturer doesn't sign the worlds best TT rider, without that being an important part of the deal.

Given how things unfolded yesterday, I would think the team has promised him some specific kit for the TT tomorrow, and yesterday it became apparent it would not be available - or not live up to specifications.

I bet his early attempt at getting in the break was pure rage, and when he failed he was like "screw you guys, I'm going home, I'm not going to win a stage anyhow".
 
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Yingge said:
Another report says that Rohan and his Manager (Andrew McQuaid) were seen in conversation about an hour before the stage start. On his way back to the bus a reporter (Rob Arnold) tried to ask a question and was given a "vicious stare" and some unprintable words in response. Makes you wonder what he and his Manager were discussing. Meanwhile, not the slightest sign of any leak from among the rest of the team. I wonder what Alan Peiper knows, it was he that Dennis followed from Garmin to BMC in 2014, and they both moved on to Bahrain following the demise of BMC.

I think Alan Peiper has been ill recently. Maybe this is a factor
 
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Broccolidwarf said:
I bet his early attempt at getting in the break was pure rage, and when he failed he was like "screw you guys, I'm going home, I'm not going to win a stage anyhow".
I think you're right, something to the effect that, he wanted to defy team orders, and to make a spectacle of it on TV. And the viewer and commentators are like "What ? Rohan Dennis? What is he trying to accomplish here"
To do that breakaway chase because it makes no sense, in order to be contrary
 
As a sponsor, you've gotta have your head in your hands watching this. Biggest race, world champion quitting in the middle of the stage in a basically unheard of, very visible manner because, as far as we know, "the bike is ***".

As a fan however, this is great stuff, great entertainment. Nothing quite like seeing someone having an almighty strop at the injustice of it all bang in a middle of a big event, Drogba yelling at the camera in the CL semis, Ronnie walking out at the crucible mid-game, Cantona kicking that Crystal Palace fan. You sometimes hear the commentators trying to pontificate, "This isn't what we want to see", but really this is EXACTLY the kind of thing we DO want to see, because we can all relate and it's a reflection of what we all think about doing several times a week whilst sat at our desks.

That said, he's obviously an emotional young man and I do hope he's alright, always a bit worrying seeing something like this especially with reference to what kind of personality the sport draws in and its history.
 
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movingtarget said:
Moviefan1203 said:
I hope it’s not mental health.
i think you might be on the money. A TT rider not happy about his equipment or his team managers ? That has to play on his mind and team didn't understand his exit so they say. I expect him to be riding elsewhere next year one way or another. He will try and break his contract I think.
In which case if it's a management/equipment issue then his options are most likely Bora, DQS or Ineos.
 
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MatParker117 said:
movingtarget said:
Moviefan1203 said:
I hope it’s not mental health.
i think you might be on the money. A TT rider not happy about his equipment or his team managers ? That has to play on his mind and team didn't understand his exit so they say. I expect him to be riding elsewhere next year one way or another. He will try and break his contract I think.
In which case if it's a management/equipment issue then his options are most likely Bora, DQS or Ineos.
Don't believe this, unless there will be any reasonable explanation, he will have big problems to find new team. Everyone will be very vigilant to hire guy who without explanation stoped pedaling during the stage with full media attention.
 
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Jagartrott said:
I'd support him if he was protesting against the human rights violations in Bahrein. But if it's mostly about the bike, it's just childish.
This is senceless and even if h will come up with such explanation, no on will trust him. You sign with the team, you are taking money from the team and you are pedaling for the team for more than half a year and one day you wake up and find out that it is not moral?

If he would like to demonstrate, that he is against violation of human rights in Bahrain he had his chance yesterday with media attention. The silence means something different.
 
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lartiste said:
MatParker117 said:
movingtarget said:
Moviefan1203 said:
I hope it’s not mental health.
i think you might be on the money. A TT rider not happy about his equipment or his team managers ? That has to play on his mind and team didn't understand his exit so they say. I expect him to be riding elsewhere next year one way or another. He will try and break his contract I think.
In which case if it's a management/equipment issue then his options are most likely Bora, DQS or Ineos.
Don't believe this, unless there will be any reasonable explanation, he will have big problems to find new team. Everyone will be very vigilant to hire guy who without explanation stoped pedaling during the stage with full media attention.
Not only that, but he made a huge show of how sht-upid he thought his equipment was. One day before the time trial, in perfect health and condition, when, given that his real competitors were likely a bit more tired than he was (Asgreen's face the last few stages has been a work of art). It was the only stage he was really there for. He probably had a decent chance to win or at least place -even on substandard gear.

I mean, I've heard of his wheel brand before, they seem nice enough and reasonable value for money, made by reputable (and well-connected) folks. I just saw an ad for them earlier today. Now it's hard to get around the fact that they're so badly rated by one of the world's best time trialists he'd rather give up a potential Tour de France stage win that have to lug their wheels around for half an hour. That's what the sponsors are getting for their million euro or whatever investment in the team.

Maybe promises were made and not kept, and that definitely blows. But there had to have been a better way to handle this. This a far, far worse look for him than an anonymous 7th place -which I would really think was the worst-case scenario for him today.
 
Magrini at the beginning of today's stage coverage said that he knows that the manufacturer after his complaints about the TT suit prepared more than 20 different suits (including the ones used by Sky since Castelli is another brand of the same company) and none of them was of his liking and continued to complain.
He also said that he refuses to use the shoes that his team mates use, complains basically about everything and he's very individualist so no one likes him.
 
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carton said:
Maybe promises were made and not kept, and that definitely blows. But there had to have been a better way to handle this. This a far, far worse look for him than an anonymous 7th place -which I would really think was the worst-case scenario for him today.
Yeah - the 'story' is huge international news now, making it into the general-interest media, not only sports journalism. So, his actions will not soon be forgotten. The Fulcrum wheels are not bad, like you said, in the aero testing they look not great, but what could be so bad about the wheelset that he would quit over that. Hushovd was saying there is a dispute about wheels, skinsuit... but can't see equipment as the only issue. There are entire articles and podcasts devoted to 'disappearance of Rohan Dennis' etc. One theory of 'mystery investigators' is that DS ordered Dennis to bridge to the breakaway in order for him to ride in support of Nibali, I don't believe that version either

Dennis has got the Tokyo Olympics to prepare for, and then the Hour Record attempt - maybe he doesn't care right now about finding another team
 
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Broccolidwarf said:
Leinster said:
DNP-Old said:
18-Valve. (pithy) said:
I said it in the beginning of the year, during the Tirreno: Dennis decline isn't due to some transition to becoming a GC threat, it's the Merida bikes. They're godawful on itself, let alone when compared to the BMC wondermachine. So in that sense, I completely understand him. To make such a point of it, in the middle of a stage, after 7 months however is a bit strange.
Then why, as a TT specialist, sign for a team with "MERIDA" right there in their name? Even if the Sheik himself personally drove a Ferrari full of cash up to his house, he still had to know what equipment he was getting himself into. He probably would've had to take a paycut, but if he'd signed for, say, DD for this year, he'd still be on a BMC bike, he'd be wearing Assos kit, and his sponsors would be in charge of the time keeping at all the major races.
One would assume, that Dennis has been given promises on development of equipment, when he signed...... and that those promises has not been kept.
A cycle manufacturer doesn't sign the worlds best TT rider, without that being an important part of the deal.

Given how things unfolded yesterday, I would think the team has promised him some specific kit for the TT tomorrow, and yesterday it became apparent it would not be available - or not live up to specifications.

I bet his early attempt at getting in the break was pure rage, and when he failed he was like "screw you guys, I'm going home, I'm not going to win a stage anyhow".
he is not the world best TT rider
 

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