Theory on Cav

[masking_agent]

Cavendish hasn't shown anything all year and suddenly he is stronger than the current sprinters at age 39 ?

Could Vinokourov paid with his own money Stefano Varjas (the inventor of motor doping from Budapest) to install an undetected motor on Cavendish's bike to get his glory and Team Astana get some glory and maybe new sponsors for next year ?

 

[Ruklaw]

I suppose he could have.

I mean, the other possibility is simply that a rider who was already widely recognized as the greatest sprinter of all time managed to win another sprint.

There is some precedent in sprinters still being able to perform at an older age - the great Reg Harris won the British title at the age of 54 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg_Harris

I mean, I'm not saying for a minute that Cav's clean, that would be a real stretch - I have long been curious what it is about quickstep that made them so dominant for so many years, then made their sprinters so poor once they left the team...

I think the premise is also rather flawed - how does Cav winning something this summer then retiring secure sponsors for next year? More likely that such shenanigans secured a bonus from the sponsors this year isn't it?

 

[Nomad]

C'mon man, a 39 yr old out-kicking world-class sprinters 12-15 yrs younger than him? Lol

If we look at some of the dominate sprinters back in the day they were all retire by age 39. Cipollini was 36 when he won his last Grand Tour stage, Zabel & Petacchi were both 37 when they won their last GT stages (I think Zable tried a comeback at age 40 but didn't win any GT stages). And all of those guys were career dopers using boatloads of gear.

 

[zlev11]

I mean, I'm not saying for a minute that Cav's clean, that would be a real stretch - I have long been curious what it is about quickstep that made them so dominant for so many years, then made their sprinters so poor once they left the team...

yes this was always weird to me, QuickStep back then could give whatever rider they wanted to a substantial increase in sprinting ability like they had attribute points to spend in Fallout, Cav being one of them in 2021. i strongly suspect it had to do with motors.

 

[Rackham]

One thing for sure is this guy has some serious roid rage himself (there's another thread here in the clinic about Philipsen with this issue but I think Cavendish also qualifies for the description himself).

He's flying off the handle at the slightest issue. It's embarrassing & awkward to see (especially his mates on Eurosport excusing his behavior every single time). This isn't new of course but you'd think a dude who just made headlines for 'historic' reasons would have some self awareness about the image he projects. But no, he's just the same old angry guy with serious temperament problems.

Or what some might define as roid rage.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

What he did in 2021 is more offensive to me than this year so far. Of course if he goes on to win another 2-3 stages it would be different.

He was the best sprinter I have seen in my life from 2008-16. Then he spent 4 years doing nothing

In 2020 I watched him crying in an interview after some Belge race like classic brudge de panne because he couldn't hold onto the breakaway. He had no results for 3 years

6 months later he winning stages left right and centre.

But yes we know Vinokurov has a history of dopping and of buying races. He signed Cavendish and a whole lead out train (morkov, bol, ballerini) to achieve this 35 stage win, and it's a huge positive PR for the team, a team that is dying

No doubt they are doing whatever it takes

I don't know if motors are involved though

 

[Mayomaniac]

What he did in 2021 is more offensive to me than this year so far. Of course if he goes on to win another 2-3 stages it would be different.

He was the best sprinter I have seen in my life from 2008-16. Then he spent 4 years doing nothing

In 2020 I watched him crying in an interview after some Belge race like classic brudge de panne because he couldn't hold onto the breakaway. He had no results for 3 years

6 months later he winning stages left right and centre.

But yes we know Vinokurov has a history of dopping and of buying races. He signed Cavendish and a whole lead out train (morkov, bol, ballerini) to achieve this 35 stage win, and it's a huge positive PR for the team, a team that is dying

No doubt they are doing whatever it takes

I don't know if motors are involved though

Probably loading up with gear right before the race, explains the stomace problems of the whole sprint train on stages 1 and 2...

 

[Ruklaw]

I think the bigger problem with sprint motors is the wattages required - I mean, so long as it is reasonably sustained, even an extra 50w for a gc guy would be plenty for them to kill off rivals over a long climb - similar on a TT.

With a sprinter where 1500-2000w isn't unheard of, how much power would these hidden motors need to be able to deploy to turn an also ran into a winner? 200w? 300w?

It's harder to understand how you can hide this in a standard hub or bottom bracket.

I'm much more inclined to believe the difference is in the pot belge, or what they take during those altitute camps.

 

[masking_agent]

I saw he changed both wheels on his bike early in his stage win. Which raises more "motor" questions.

 

[zlev11]

I think the bigger problem with sprint motors is the wattages required - I mean, so long as it is reasonably sustained, even an extra 50w for a gc guy would be plenty for them to kill off rivals over a long climb - similar on a TT.

With a sprinter where 1500-2000w isn't unheard of, how much power would these hidden motors need to be able to deploy to turn an also ran into a winner? 200w? 300w?

It's harder to understand how you can hide this in a standard hub or bottom bracket.

I'm much more inclined to believe the difference is in the pot belge, or what they take during those altitute camps.

well if he can get his own sprinting form to within 50w of the best and then deploy a 100w motor at the right time...

i also think a motor would help hugely in the entire last 10k, keeping him in position while staying fresh

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I saw he changed both wheels on his bike early in his stage win. Which raises more "motor" questions.

He has a motor in his wheels? Crazy technology

 

[Invicituz]

Having the pure hunger and desire to surpass Eddie's longstanding record, is the only fuel that's required to outsprint the dope.

 

[pastronef]

Cavendish hasn't shown anything all year and suddenly he is stronger than the current sprinters at age 39 ?

Could Vinokourov paid with his own money Stefano Varjas (the inventor of motor doping from Budapest) to install an undetected motor on Cavendish's bike to get his glory and Team Astana get some glory and maybe new sponsors for next year ?

well he should have fitted an undetected motor on stage 1 instead of having him and half the team suffer like mad. ffs.
FFS

 

[Ripper]

Cav don't need dope. He has mad skillz and innate power. If he doped, he would blow the UAE boychild and experiment of Gianetti the vampire out of the water. And the supermarket-bike-rental fishmonger? He would literally ride over him. No one would stand a chance.

His majesty's riders have been burdened with glorious purpose - to win without dope! So facking there!

By the way. Confidis might be a team of vampires, and Gianetti might be a practicing vampire, but the fishmonger looks to be a vampire prince

 

[masking_agent]

He has a motor in his wheels? Crazy technology

yes, the 50" deep rims can carry magnets and certain weights according the inventor of the motor, stefano varjas

 

[Izzyeviel]

makes you wonder why he only doped/used a motor for one stage & not the others. Surely the green jersey isn't that ugly?

 

[Nomad]

Just like Cipollini, he's not interested in the points classicification. The two have similar career dynamics - prolific sprinters that hate the mountains. That being said, Cavendish has more points classicifications (4-3) & GT finishes (13-6) than Cipollini. And "Super Mario" was a "Super Doper," so I don't see how the "Manx Missile" could be anything close to clean.

Report: Cipollini used 25 blood bags before 2003 Giro d'Italia | Cyclingnews.com

Gazzetta continues to detail alleged Fuentes doping programme

www.cyclingnews.com

 

[Unchained]

With the way Cavendish has been riding for last 3 years, including this weeks win, that included crashing, swerving from one side of the road to the other, bumping all over.. If he is juiced his regiment is silly stupid and if he using a motor or has been, it was co -designed by Roob Goldfarb and 3 Stooges engineering company.. There are multiple views of his historical sprint win and luck played a part..luck is involved in all sprints..the main reason Cavendish won was Sagan or some other animal didn't smear him up against the barrier..

 

[jmdirt]

Yes, tiny watch parts can handle a 1500 watt burst!

 

[Nomad]

With the way Cavendish has been riding for last 3 years, including this weeks win, that included crashing, swerving from one side of the road to the other, bumping all over.. If he is juiced his regiment is silly stupid and if he using a motor or has been, it was co -designed by Roob Goldfarb and 3 Stooges engineering company.. There are multiple views of his historical sprint win and luck played a part..luck is involved in all sprints..the main reason Cavendish won was Sagan or some other animal didn't smear him up against the barrier..

Don't tell me now you're drinking the Kool-Aid on Cavendish? Lol.

How does a 39 yr old way past his prime out-kick world-class sprinters 12-15 yrs younger than him?

It's all rainbows & marshmallows with the fanboys. Lol.

 

[Rob5091]

Vino has been digging around in the bottom of his bag. Cav should continue next year when the Chinese come onboard - wow! Vino & some Chinese "medicine" will get Cav the Green Jersey and single handedly save Astana from WT relegation. Netflix will be loving it ...

 

[Eclipse]

Cav got superceded by the marginal gains hyper clean Kittel generation but bravely stuck around to outlast them all and beat the next gen.

Just goes to show you what perseverance and not abusing your body with chemicals can do

 

[Ripper]

Don't tell me now you're drinking the Kool-Aid on Cavendish? Lol.

How does a 39 yr old way past his prime out-kick world-class sprinters 12-15 yrs younger than him?

It's all rainbows & marshmallows with the fanboys. Lol.

Oh @Nomad, see below for the TRUTH ...

Cav don't need dope. He has mad skillz and innate power. If he doped, he would blow the UAE boychild and experiment of Gianetti the vampire out of the water. And the supermarket-bike-rental fishmonger? He would literally ride over him. No one would stand a chance.

His majesty's riders have been burdened with glorious purpose - to win without dope! So facking there!

By the way. Confidis might be a team of vampires, and Gianetti might be a practicing vampire, but the fishmonger looks to be a vampire prince

 

[fenns]

be interesting to see if he tries to win any more stages. so far he's only tried once and won easily

 

[macbindle]

be interesting to see if he tries to win any more stages. so far he's only tried once and won easily

He's tried to win every sprint stage.. and what makes you think it was easy?