This side of legal

[del1962]

In Bassons comments in this article from cycling weekly

Bassons says

Why? Because although riders are not doping ‘much,' although they are not taking ‘heavy' doping products, they are still worried that the because they are still taking medicines and infusions to help recovery under medical orders - they almost all do that - it's medically OK, not forbidden. And if they are doing that and don't admit to it and not facing up to the reality of that, they feel they are not really in a position to say that the riders around him are cheating

What products is Bassons talking about that riders are taking, is Creatin one of them and if they are legal would it not be better to declare what they are taking?

I would love to have an understanding of which legal products are frowned upon and why, will some of these products be banned in the future.

Would Caffeine be viewed as dodgy, I remember mu suprise a few years ago at the start of a marathon where the organisers were giving out sports drinks dosed with caffeine.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I have no idea what Bassons is talking about, but to your points.


Creatine is not a WADA banned substance, but is of minimal use to an endurance athlete. May even be detrimental due to water retention. Body builders, sprinters etc certainly use this sort of supplement.

Caffeine is another substance not banned by WADA, though it is monitored for possible abuse. Caffeine does help endurance athletes, with slightly better ergogenics (conversion of fuel to energy). It used to be banned as a stimulant, mainly an issue with sprint/strength events, but at the levels required to actually be performance enhancing as a stimulant in sprint events it was determined to be actually detrimental to performance.

Being so commonly being part of peoples diets, its pretty stupid to have it on the banned list.

 

[del1962]

I have no idea what Bassons is talking about, but to your points.


Creatine is not a WADA banned substance, but is of minimal use to an endurance athlete. May even be detrimental due to water retention. Body builders, sprinters etc certainly use this sort of supplement.

Caffeine is another substance not banned by WADA, though it is monitored for possible abuse. Caffeine does help endurance athletes, with slightly better ergogenics (conversion of fuel to energy). It used to be banned as a stimulant, mainly an issue with sprint/strength events, but at the levels required to actually be performance enhancing as a stimulant in sprint events it was determined to be actually detrimental to performance.

Being so commonly being part of peoples diets, its pretty stupid to have it on the banned list.

Thanks, but I am intersted in what products Bassons is referring to.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I have no idea what Bassons is talking about, but to your points.


Creatine is not a WADA banned substance, but is of minimal use to an endurance athlete. May even be detrimental due to water retention. Body builders, sprinters etc certainly use this sort of supplement.

Caffeine is another substance not banned by WADA, though it is monitored for possible abuse. Caffeine does help endurance athletes, with slightly better ergogenics (conversion of fuel to energy). It used to be banned as a stimulant, mainly an issue with sprint/strength events, but at the levels required to actually be performance enhancing as a stimulant in sprint events it was determined to be actually detrimental to performance.

Being so commonly being part of peoples diets, its pretty stupid to have it on the banned list.

My understanding is Caffeine, rather than actually acting as a stimulant like amphetamine instead masks the body's signals of fatigue in whatever receptors there are for it in the brain, so rather than giving you energy it creates a false perception in your brain you are tired.

I'm hoping that is accurate information since it was told to me by someone we can refer to as a coffee professional.

I personally view caffeine as a PED, albeit a legal one. I don't drink much of it so when I do I get an extreme reaction and when I'm on a bike I can ride with greater intensity for significantly longer. It's also obviously effective towards the end of rides to combat fatigue.

As said it's surely very difficult to ban completely but the use is monitored. Actually hasn't it been banned in the past?

 

[BroDeal]

Thanks, but I am intersted in what products Bassons is referring to.

It sounds like team doctors are justifying saline or other IVs by saying they are needed for dehydration or some other excuse.

Cortisone use also probably continues.

 

[Nilsson]

Thanks, but I am intersted in what products Bassons is referring to.

He is referring to the former culture of needles and intravenous injection of vitamins, iron, recovery products in case of dehydration, very generous prescribing and administration of cortisone (in competition) etc.

I think he doesn't know that since, I believe, June 2011 there is a no-needle policy in place, which prohibits this kind of practices.

 

[del1962]

He is referring to the former culture of needles and intravenous injection of vitamins, iron, recovery products in case of dehydration, very generous prescribing and administration of cortisone (in competition) etc.

I think he doesn't know that since, I believe, June 2011 there is a no-needle policy in place, which prohibits this kind of practices.

Thanks I guess oral rehydration and getting vittimens etc just takes longer.

 

[mountainrman]

Whilst I love cycling - my prime sport is distance running/ mountain running.

I remember long ago the South African runner Elana Meyer being sanctioned for caffeine for a race in the far east: not sure what became of it, but how can Athletics SA invoke a case for caffeine when it is not a banned substance by doping authorities.

Or has it - like pseudoephedrine/cold cure - been taken off an old "banned" list?

BTW - Tyler Hamilton refers to after race pills? presumed legal in his book. Can't remember what he said they contained.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Caffeine used to be on the WADA banned list.

Came off in 2004.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Caffeine was never totally banned. There was a limit over which one could not go, equal to drinking about eight espressos. So the riders were always ok to have their cups of coffee and Coca-Colas.

Susan

 

[bobbins]

I'd guess cortisone.

 

[Father Jack]

I would guess at Salbutamol and ADHD medicines like Ritalin.

FJ