Those wonderfull years ended...(cyclist performe now worse)

[Taxus4a]

I coudnt find a Contador treath here... in fact I dont know how to look for threads.

But as it is impossible to do comments referenced to doping in other places I need to analyze some performance looking at the past.

Contador, those wonderfull years finished, it is not a question of age or mentality, there was a time when he did amazing performances in one week races in climbs from 2 to 10 Km. He just destroyed his rivals.

He even used to win ITT, and in thebasque country he destroyed his rivals in that hilly ITT.

Yes, he won 2 years ago this race clearly, but just Valverde was a real rival, who is not the best in wet weather.

As he said he was always in the wrong place, since 19 he was at the best doping program. of coure he is good, of coure he is one of the best Tour riders of the world, but I am tired to his fans dont see reality and if omeone win him it is not becoue hi post santion or the biopaport, it i becoue the other people doped... Amazing.

That AC of the OP is a very good rider, but it is not so good as some people thing looking at his palmares.

He was sorrounded by people who doping afected them better than him, not real champions as Ricco, and a lot etc, maybe Schleck brothers as well, looking at how is Frank today...but he was winning people who are at least so good as him, or maybe better, becouse he was doped.

I like him when it at a similarlevel than other, becouse he use his experience, hiss intelligence, his trategy, he is ofensive, he try to invent uing hi abilitie and knwing rival weakness... that is cycling, but I dont like people saying what is not true.

After his santion, I believe all his trayectory, and he has got lot of important victories and results (not the Tour) but if some year is strange is 2014 more than 2013.

We are in my loving basque country riding now, and lot of basque riders, a country almost always at less than 200 m above sea level, were very benefited by blood doping. I dont want to talk about the riders who left after the doping era, as my idol then Mayo, or Osa brothers,...but people is riding now. Igor anton, a rider at his best age that perform at a medium level now in stage suit him very well... we have Amets Txurruka, a rider who was very string in his day at le Tour, figthing for stages, a man who everybody loves, becouse he is sympathic, not just in the basque country, but in all Spain, a rider that today is just a normal domestique, not even a good one.

Other riders were medium riders in the past era and now they can have his place, the place other era denied him.

Some of those riders maybe doped in the past, but it is now, without doping, where they get his best results. For me they are victims althopugh they doped in the past. Contador is nor a victim, nor a cheater, as Valverde (maybe more a victim)

I could understand Contador doesnt get in Arrate his record of 2009 now, becoue he is older and maybe start to afect a little, but I am sure he is going to be far of that record (it depends some circunstances anyway). Evans wansnt far that year of Contador time, but those seconds are maybe the difference between two champions if one of them doped (doping afect less real champions), acording what Hamilton tell at his book.

 

[Taxus4a]

* ** When I said clean for thi era I mean what I know, what I see and what people tell me, who is the same I readed at the CIRC report:

Elite road cycling

The general view is that at the elite level the situation has improved, but that doping is still taking place. It was commented that doping is either less prevalent today or the nature of doping practices has changed such that the performance gains are smaller. The CIRC considers that a culture of doping in cycling continues to exist, albeit attitudes have started to change. The biggest concern today is that following the introduction of the athlete biological passport, dopers have moved on to micro-dosing in a controlled manner that keeps their blood parameters constant and enables them to avoid detection. In contrast to the findings in previous investigations, which identified systematic doping organised by teams, at the elite level riders who dope now organise their own doping programmes with the help of third parties who are primarily outside the cycling team. At the elite level, doping programmes are generally sophisticated and therefore doctors play a key role in devising programmes that provide performance enhancement whilst minimising the risk of getting caught.

Factors still exist that could be seen to encourage or facilitate doping. For example: there is financial instability throughout the sport (teams often depend entirely on one sponsor, and teams, and therefore riders, can be under huge pressure to obtain good results to keep sponsors or get an extension of their short-term contract); riders often train predominantly away from the team and might engage their own doctors (and doctors operating outside the sport are hard to regulate); riders who rode in an era when doping was acceptable continue to work in the sport which makes it hard to change the culture; and although the influence of the classic omerta has declined, riders are still reluctant to report doping or suspicious conduct to the authorities.

At the elite level there are now teams that have a strong anti-doping culture and that are trying to foster an environment in which riders can ride clean. However, interviewees expressed concern that this was not the case in all teams. Ultimately, riders who dope have shown themselves to be highly adaptable. Consequently, anti-doping tests, combined with proper procedures and complemented by investigative powers of national authorities, are the most effective deterrent. Therefore UCI and other stakeholders must ensure that resources continue to be devoted to improving the antidoping programme.

Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/03/news/circ-report-executive-summary_362351#s4HVUVCK1pwMrAD0.99

So a situation where if the good people who train and do things properly, can win any race, something didnt happend in the past, and where doping is not a big advantage and it is not general ( I mean just a few riders were clean) as in the past

 

[blackcat]

tax us.

just because they are performing 'worse' does not mean they are not doping.

like someone posted yesterday, 'how does one determine a natural talent if i) you can never discern when the athlete rides sans rocket fuel n saucepan, and ii) if they actually are not riding with the saucepan stuck up their @rse***, how can you discern their talent if they have to ride clean versus all the other saucepans'?

#saucepan
#up_ur_@rse
#dopingaphorism
like #breadandwater
#pane_ e_acqua

*irondan, the quote n aphorism refers to Ferrari euphemism, or, the euphemism on a ferrari athlete, it is said, if you go to Schumi, it is as obvious as riding with a saucepan up ur @rse ok

*NOdeletion
#Wildeandrollery

 

[thehog]

Re: Those wonderfull years ended...(cyclist performe now wor

Awesome thread, better than the Contador's head thread... (that actually rhymes).

 

[burning]

Can anyone provide a translation?

Edit: I just remembered the explosion at Contador thread after the TT in 2014 Pais Vasco, Skybots went completely full *** after that performance, but looks like he was cleans during 2014.

 

[Eshnar]

Taxus, we don't need another thread about the "new clean era". Use the search function and go to one of those that are already here.

This one is closed.