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Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 5: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne > Saint-Vulbas, 177.4 km

OP by @Devil's Elbow: https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threa...4-stage-by-stage-analysis.39775/#post-3032419

After all of four kilometres over 8%, the first Alpine ‘block’ comes to an end, and suddenly the next mountains are quite far away. With the race sticking to the valleys for most of the day rather than using the ample opportunities to give the fast men something to think about, this should be the second sprint.

The route

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A short transfer down the Télégraphe has brought the riders into the Maurienne valley, where the northern and southern French Alps meet, for a stage start in its historical capital and largest town: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne. This will be the sixth Tour it hosts, all of which have been since 2006 (although the Tour has, of course, passed through it many more times). The first of those appearances was as the start of that stage to Morzine.

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The first part of the stage is spent exiting the Alps by the shortest, flattest route available. The most notable stopoff is Chambéry, historical capital of the Savoie (the original area of the Duchy of Savoy, only ceded to France in 1860 as payment by the eponymous, aforementioned house in exchange for French help in its conquest/unification of Italy. Just after this, the route turns uphill for the first time, up the easy, uncategorised Col de Couz.

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The first KOM, Côte du Cheval Blanc, is tiny even compared to Col de Couz and clearly only categorised because someone threw some money at ASO. By this point, the race has left the Alps in earnest. Following an intermediate sprint in Aoste (not that one)…

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…the riders make for the Ain valley, in which the final quarter of the stage is mostly spent. It is briefly left for the day’s hardest climb (which isn’t saying much), Côte de Lhuis. It is the first 4.7 kilometres of the profile below.

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The finish town isn’t exactly large, but you wouldn’t know it from the road widths. With two roundabouts and three traffic islands being adjusted or removed for the race, it is a very straightforward finale, save for that 40-degree turn at 250 metres to go.

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Saint-Vulbas is a village (just over 1200 inhabitants, so it joins the list of smallest-ever Tour hosts) surrounded by a nuclear power plant and a large industrial terrain, the latter of which we finish on. I’m really not sure what a place like this stands to gain from ponying up the cash to organise a Tour finish, but it does love its cycling, being a staple of the Tour de l’Ain and having hosted the Dauphiné in 2016. None of those stages had the same finale as this one, which concludes on the road through the woodlands on the image below.

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What to expect?

A sprint, of course. Any sprinter who gets dropped on that final cat. 4 may as well retire on the spot…
 
Do you want every stage to be a GC stage? Sprinters have to earn their money.
They can earn it on the track or in the UAE tour. Having a 180km bike race where only 2km is worth watching is just wrong. If sprinters want to win big races they should have to work for more than the final 200m and there should be some climbs to make it interesting, like in Milan Sanremo
 
They can earn it on the track or in the UAE tour. Having a 180km bike race where only 2km is worth watching is just wrong. If sprinters want to win big races they should have to work for more than the final 200m and there should be some climbs to make it interesting, like in Milan Sanremo
You'll kill their legs. If they have to climb in order to sprint, no way they can contest multiple stages in a GT. Take into consideration the suffering they endure in the mountain stages.

Making sprinters have to "earn it" is fine for one-day races; it doesn't work for GTs.
 
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You'll kill their legs. If they have to climb in order to sprint, no way they can contest multiple stages in a GT. Take into consideration the suffering they endure in the mountain stages.

Making sprinters have to "earn it" is fine for one-day races; it doesn't work for GTs.
The whole point of elite cycling is riders "killing their legs." That's what makes it great. What I want is for something in every sprint stage that could realistically cause it not to be a bunch sprint. That might be a Poggio-esque climb 3km from the finish as a launchpad for attackers. It might be held in a super windy area with hope for crosswinds and echelons. It might be climbs throughout to give the breakaway a good chance. But they shouldn't have stages where it will be a sprint with the whole peloton except if they totally screw up or crash
 
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The whole point of elite cycling is riders "killing their legs." That's what makes it great. What I want is for something in every sprint stage that could realistically cause it not to be a bunch sprint. That might be a Poggio-esque climb 3km from the finish as a launchpad for attackers. It might be held in a super windy area with hope for crosswinds and echelons. It might be climbs throughout to give the breakaway a good chance. But they shouldn't have stages where it will be a sprint with the whole peloton except if they totally screw up or crash
Well, sure. However in that scenario pure sprinters would win so few stages. Hmm, perhaps that wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't believe anyone feels Cavendish 34 stage wins are nearly as impressive as Merckx's. And then there's Cipollini winning 4 straight in '99 with the advent of the sprint train just to waltz and watch the peloton suffer over the mountains.

So, I see your point. However, I'm a traditionalist and am fine with the status quo. The sport is what it is. Enjoy the scenery and watching the break get reeled in 😊
 
no worries guys, we're almost done with the sprint stages, going by Sam Bennett's interview from yesterday:

“After 230 kilometres and after being well positioned, I couldn’t open the gas. It’s frustrating because there are only seven more opportunities left.”

This reminds me of Barney Gumble:

"I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left!"
 
Do you want every stage to be a GC stage? Sprinters have to earn their money.
No? But when everybody and their moma knows it will be a sprint, there really won't be a bike race. Thats my problem with a stage such as this and with completely flat stages as a whole. I have said for a while these kind of stages have run their course with full coverage, but ASO have loaded up on them this year unfortunately.
 
No? But when everybody and their moma knows it will be a sprint, there really won't be a bike race. Thats my problem with a stage such as this and with completely flat stages as a whole. I have said for a while these kind of stages have run their course with full coverage, but ASO have loaded up on them this year unfortunately.
Well, it would be quite harsh on vast parts of France to tell them that because of full-stage broadcasts, their location is too boring to host a stage. If the race is called Tour de France I want them to tour France instead of making a route like 2023:
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The Green Jersey competition needs to get going so time for guys to start shoulder pushes, elbowing and maybe a head butt or two. May the fastest guy win and the losers complain about "deviating" and gear problems.
Look forward to MvdP doing his stuff for Philipsen.
Edit - 22C and a bit of a headwind for the sprint so he who leaves it late, wins.
 
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The whole point of elite cycling is riders "killing their legs." That's what makes it great. What I want is for something in every sprint stage that could realistically cause it not to be a bunch sprint. That might be a Poggio-esque climb 3km from the finish as a launchpad for attackers. It might be held in a super windy area with hope for crosswinds and echelons. It might be climbs throughout to give the breakaway a good chance. But they shouldn't have stages where it will be a sprint with the whole peloton except if they totally screw up or crash
The Giro this year actually had that, maybe a bit unexpectedly. Probably the best part of the Giro was the lack of totally uneventful sprint stages (even though overall sprint stages were quite numerous).
 
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