Tour de France 2025 route rumours and announcements

[YavorD]

Yeah, I get that. But still next year is a bit overdoing it. They could easily replace 2 of the MTFs with a proper medium mountain stage and either a descent finish or even better; a big climb/small climb as the finish combo. Still would have hade more than enough big MTFs, but added variety and the possibility for more entertaining stage for us true cycling fans.

I know all that and I agree with you. I hate that route.
But I've seen a lot of people saying it's 8 or 9/10 because of the mountain stages.
General public just loves MTF's. And the bigger they are, the better.
I mean, I've seen (a lot of..) people who think that Mortirolo-Aprica stage would be better if it finishes on Mortirolo.

 

[gregrowlerson]

I give it a 7.

I think the pacing is pretty good. If 20-30 kms was added to every stage it would be a 9.

I don't mind having plenty of flat stages; just space them out a little. No more than two in a row. Tick.

Have some punchy stages to create intriguing MVDP type vs. Pogacar type finishers. Tick.

Most interesting medium mountain stage not suffocated by daunting racing after it (stage 10, before rest day). Tick.

Queen stage (18) and hardest MTF before a shorter stage (but multi mountain, potential carnage) and easier MTF. Tick.

Roughly 33 kms of relatively flat ITT. Cross.

The stage 13 MTT may hinder racing on Hautacam a little the previous day, but at least the best pyrenean stage comes afterwards. Stage 15 before the second rest day may also be an interesting hilly stage?

All in all I quite like it.

 

[fbjim]

Because the general public - CN forums are not representative - does not like descent finishes.

they cut the descent finishes way back in 2022 as well. i think this was probably an overreaction after the 2021 route didn't have a true MTF until like stage 17

i think they just go back and forth on how much descent finishing they like every year or so

 

[OlavEH]

I mean, I've seen (a lot of..) people who think that Mortirolo-Aprica stage would be better if it finishes on Mortirolo.

Really? One would think that those who know that climb is people who know enough about cycling to realize that that would diminsh the race.

 

[OlavEH]

Van der Poel have to be crazy if doesn't put this on the top of his calendar after the Spring Classics next year. Like the WCRR last year, I think he will never have a Tour route that suits him etter. Stage 2, 4, 6, 7 and 11 should fit him pefectly. In addition there are 2-3 possible breakway stages the last week, especially stage 20 to Pontarlier. This is just too good for him to skip.

 

[E_F_]

Van der Poel have to be crazy if doesn't put this on the top of his calendar after the Spring Classics next year. Like the WCRR last year, I think he will never have a Tour route that suits him etter. Stage 2, 4, 6, 7 and 11 should fit him pefectly. In addition there are 2-3 possible breakway stages the last week, especially stage 20 to Pontarlier. This is just too good for him to skip.

Also the Toulouse stage with two ramps before the finish.

 

[OlavEH]

Also the Toulouse stage with two ramps before the finish.

Isnt that stage 11? I mentioned that.

 

[E_F_]

Isnt that stage 11? I mentioned that.

Ah sorry. Of course!

 

[Wyndbrook]

Two negative points from my perspective:
Looks like a very dodgy opening week, expect crashes, probably mass pile ups.
Those frigging long distances between stage finishes and the next days stage start. Do they never give it a thought, money wins I guess.

 

[Bolder]

Two negative points from my perspective:
Looks like a very dodgy opening week, expect crashes, probably mass pile ups.
Those frigging long distances between stage finishes and the next days stage start. Do they never give it a thought, money wins I guess.

Remember a few years ago one of the GTs was trying to minimize transfers to save CO2? Wasn't it the Tour?

 

[Rob5091]

More time spent on the bus.
https://inrng.com/2024/11/further-tour-notes-2025/#more-45279

Talking of car journeys, the Tour will have a record amount of transfers, the distance between the finish of one day’s stage and the start the next and by some margin it seems. This is paradoxical for a route that stays in France although we have to go back to 1957 to find an edition without transfers where the race starts in the same town it finished before. In previous years Christian Prudhomme has spoken about trying to reduce transfers for environmental reasons and also to help fatigued riders get to their hotels quicker. Not in 2025.

 

[Ulle97]

As Ventoux returns next year, are people happy with its use as a MTF. It is very hard to use Ventoux with other climbs as there simply are none of note in the nearby hinterland.

Do you prefer when they do Ventoux twice with a downhill finish in Malaucene.... like in 2021??

 

[Cookster15]

As Ventoux returns next year, are people happy with its use as a MTF. It is very hard to use Ventoux with other climbs as there simply are none of note in the nearby hinterland.

Do you prefer when they do Ventoux twice with a downhill finish in Malaucene.... like in 2021??

I'd prefer if they did Ventoux twice with the second ascent being the MTF. No downhill finish.

 

[Netserk]

As Ventoux returns next year, are people happy with its use as a MTF. It is very hard to use Ventoux with other climbs as there simply are none of note in the nearby hinterland.

Do you prefer when they do Ventoux twice with a downhill finish in Malaucene.... like in 2021??

Yeah, I'm happy with it. Especially since it has been 12 years since the previous finish at the top.

Even better would have been a MTT.

 

[will-10]

Yeah, I'm happy with it. Especially since it has been 12 years since the previous finish at the top.

Even better would have been a MTT.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yeah, I'm happy with it. Especially since it has been 12 years since the previous finish at the top.

Even better would have been a MTT.

What if it's windy?

 

[Froome]

As Ventoux returns next year, are people happy with its use as a MTF. It is very hard to use Ventoux with other climbs as there simply are none of note in the nearby hinterland.

Do you prefer when they do Ventoux twice with a downhill finish in Malaucene.... like in 2021??

Ventoux just one time, is enough, it's quite fine.

I am more concerned with the fact the will use the wrong side of la loze.

 

[pman]

Ventoux just one time, is enough, it's quite fine.

I am more concerned with the fact the will use the wrong side of la loze.

Pog’s not

 

[Sandisfan]

What if it's windy?

Have it barricaded early enough so they carry their bikes the last part to the finish. LOL

 

[Cookster15]

Pog’s not

After what we saw this year I doubt it would make a difference which side of Loze they do. Pog 24 is a different beast to Pog 23. Remember what happened on Plateau de Beille and Col de la Bonette - and all with a Giro in his legs.

 

[Froome]

After what we saw this year I doubt it would make a difference which side of Loze they do. Pog 24 is a different beast to Pog 23. Remember what happened on Plateau de Beille and Col de la Bonette - and all with a Giro in his legs.

Especially if the competition is injured.

 

[Cookster15]

Especially if the competition is injured.

Injured and still climbed better than 2022 and 2023. Uninjured he would have lost less time on the Col de la Bonnette stage and been closer in the TT. But he would still have lost. And don't forget Pogacar had a Giro in his legs. The gap is enormous.

 

[Froome]

Injured and still climbed better than 2022 and 2023. Uninjured he would have lost less time on the Col de la Bonnette stage and been closer in the TT. But he would still have lost. And don't forget Pogacar had a Giro in his legs. The gap is enormous.

Again? It's not true. He wasn't climbing better than in 2023.

Nevertheless, it would be easy for Vingegaard to do interviews and give 177373 excuses for the fact he lost the Tour this year, but he didn't what Pogacar did in the previous year in the interviews after the Tour because of a wrist.

 

[Cookster15]

Again? It's not true. He wasn't climbing better than in 2023.

Nevertheless, it would be easy for Vingegaard to do interviews and give 177373 excuses for the fact he lost the Tour this year, but he didn't what Pogacar did in the previous year in the interviews after the Tour because of a wrist.

I think climbing data said otherwise? eg On PdB Vingegaard was also over 2 minutes faster than Pantani's record.

Vingegaard cannot defeat Pogacar on equal terms, I am convinced of this now. That Pogacar won't be doing the Giro in 2025 closes the deal. Also don't forget Pogacar is nearly two years younger.

 

[Froome]

I think climbing data said otherwise? eg On PdB Vingegaard was also over 2 minutes faster than Pantani's record.

Vingegaard cannot defeat Pogacar on equal terms, I am convinced of this now. That Pogacar won't be doing the Giro in 2025 closes the deal. Also don't forget Pogacar is nearly two years younger.

You are convinced Vingegaard cannot beat Pogacar and be better if he is not 2 weeks in intensive care, with broken collarbone, pneumotorax, broken ribs and doing the Tour with less mass muscle.