Tour de France 2027 route rumours

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Time to start debating and dreaming about next year's route.

Grand Depart already set to UK, 3 stages in Scotland, England and Wales. The last one of these to Cardiff seems pretty interesting.

Otherwise, I found these rumours now.

https://www.domestiquecycling.com/en/news/pogacars-col-du-granon-rematch-headlines-tour-de-france-2027-route-rumours/

Alps rumours seems quite exciting. Col de Granon mentioned, same with Sestriere via Finestre and Col de la Loze.

Nothing mentioned for Pyrenees. I except something centered around Bagneres de Luchon. And perhaps a MTF one of the "usual suspects" like Hautacam or Luz Ardiden. But hoping for a stage in French Basque country or Ariege (not Pdb).
 
I wonder if they might use the new climb to La Grand Columbiere which we saw in the Dauphine this year.
 
Finestre/Sestrieres was mentioned that it could happen in 2026 but obviously didn't.

Hoping it will happen in 2027.

As the route comes from the north this time, I expect the Alps to be first, then the Pyrenees.

Would it be too much to ask for 2 long ITTs???
 
Finestre in the Alps with Pyrenees in the 3rd week that is one of the pacing plans of all time.

But the Pyrenees in general are so mightily mid not even I could design against that.
 
Ulle97 said:
Finestre/Sestrieres was mentioned that it could happen in 2026 but obviously didn't.

Hoping it will happen in 2027.

As the route comes from the north this time, I expect the Alps to be first, then the Pyrenees.

Would it be too much to ask for 2 long ITTs???
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ASO: best we can do is 25km of hilly terrain
 
Red Rick said:
Day 87832783 of Rick asking why people care so much about long ITTs
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I personally do because of a better balancing. New (major) contenders would emerge, one dimensional climbers like Gall, THJ etc, you name it, would be forced to animate racing for stage wins or KOM's, thus creating potential in-stage/race dynamics with a potential GC impact (obviously not nowadays, but in future) rather than hanging on for a 5th place, like last year.
And even if the GC battle is foregone conclusion, we may still see some fun racing outside of that.
 
Just balance. Even if it in practice makes for a worse race, which I doubt anyways, time trialists are marginizaled so such a degree that its not even funny anymore. In years where TdF has 5-7 sprints (like this year) all commentators are talking about is how few sprints there are, yet we fail to point how just how little pure time trialists are given to work with. And that includes Remco as well.

At least give them a reason to race the damn race. This year a lot of them did, but only for the purpose of doing the TTT.
 
YavorD said:
I personally do because of a better balancing. New (major) contenders would emerge, one dimensional climbers like Gall, THJ etc, you name it, would be forced to animate racing for stage wins or KOM's, thus creating potential in-stage/race dynamics with a potential GC impact (obviously not nowadays, but in future) rather than hanging on for a 5th place, like last year.
And even if the GC battle is foregone conclusion, we may still see some fun racing outside of that.
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Balance always ends up meaning 2 long TTs somehow, no matter the mountains really.

Valv.Piti said:
Just balance. Even if it in practice makes for a worse race, which I doubt anyways, time trialists are marginizaled so such a degree that its not even funny anymore. In years where TdF has 5-7 sprints (like this year) all commentators are talking about is how few sprints there are, yet we fail to point how just how little pure time trialists are given to work with. And that includes Remco as well.

At least give them a reason to race the damn race. This year a lot of them did, but only for the purpose of doing the TTT.
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TTers are definitely marginalized, also because so many TTs are hilly these days. I think TTers get a fairer shot by having a prologue and a pan flat TT in the race (preferably not too late in the race) than having 2 long TTs when one of them long ITTs gets very hilly.
 
I just hope that next year Remco's fans get all the time trial kilometres they've been asking for, so they can see for themselves that it only makes the Tour even more boring.

The sooner this time trial obsession is out of the system, the better.

Maybe sometime in the future it will be worth trying again—once those pointless time trial bikes have been banned and the races are held on standard road bikes instead.

Time trial bikes are impractical, outrageously expensive, needlessly increase the sport's carbon footprint, and create unnecessary inequality, especially at the lower levels of cycling. They're hauled all over the world and only a handful of riders in each race actually ride them flat out. In the end, they mostly measure whose hip mobility is the best and who can produce the most power while folded in half over the bike. It would be about as relevant as making riders race a stage using only one crank arm.
 
Yes, I think time trialists at the bare minimum should be looking at 1 decently flat ITT. On average I think something the 2008 Tour did was good with 1 medium and 1 long pretty flat ITT, throw a prologue in there at times, do 1 flat and 1 hilly etc. medium/long from year to year to mix it up. Its not even about GC at this point, its just about trying to create stages that incentivices the best bike riders across all discplines to compete against each other. Right now there's a decent balance to other discplines such as flat sprints, classic sprinter stuff, puncheur, break specialists, pure climbing etc., time trialing is just severely lacking behind.
 
OlavEH said:
Time to start debating and dreaming about next year's route.

Grand Depart already set to UK, 3 stages in Scotland, England and Wales. The last one of these to Cardiff seems pretty interesting.

Otherwise, I found these rumours now.

https://www.domestiquecycling.com/e...-headlines-tour-de-france-2027-route-rumours/

Alps rumours seems quite exciting. Col de Granon mentioned, same with Sestriere via Finestre and Col de la Loze.

Nothing mentioned for Pyrenees. I except something centered around Bagneres de Luchon. And perhaps a MTF one of the "usual suspects" like Hautacam or Luz Ardiden. But hoping for a stage in French Basque country or Ariege (not Pdb).
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Hopefully, we get real mountain stages and real TTs. You know, the things that make Gouvenou have triple heart attacks.

The Sestriers stage should be St Jean en Maurienne to Sestrieres climbing the Mollard, Galiber (Telegraph is merely part of the Galiber on this stage), Montgenevre, Finestre, Sestrieres
 
Add 100km ITT to the last 5 TdF editions, the top10 would still be the same and the racing would be exactly the same.

I'll be generous and maybe Thomas overtakes DFM in the 2024 Giro.
 
Breh said:
Add 100km ITT to the last 5 TdF editions, the top10 would still be the same and the racing would be exactly the same.

I'll be generous and maybe Thomas overtakes DFM in the 2024 Giro.
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No, it wouldn't be IMO. If you were having long TTs you would have a new) different crop of a secondary contenders probably.
Obviously if you start putting 1000km for the next couple of years, nothing would change. But within a couple of years the likes of Dennis or Tony Martin, to name a couple from the last 15 years would be the secondary contenders instead of the likes of Gall, THJ and other horrible TTers.

And these poor TTers won't have another choice but go, fighting for stages making the KOM battle great again.
 
houtdffan said:
Hopefully, we get real mountain stages and real TTs. You know, the things that make Gouvenou have triple heart attacks.

The Sestriers stage should be St Jean en Maurienne to Sestrieres climbing the Mollard, Galiber (Telegraph is merely part of the Galiber on this stage), Montgenevre, Finestre, Sestrieres
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And that won't happen....
 
No tt's? Why not? Put in a 50 km long flat TT or two and see what Remco has to do for 3 months before hand to be a better climber and maintain his TT abilities.
If no TT's then no stages under 175 km long. I mean. these guys get faster every friggin' year because of dumb stages to fit into TV time (not forgetting better nutrition, aero socks,softer pillows and rounder wheels)
 
The Edinburgh-Carlisle stage is underwhelming, in my view. I'll die on the hill that it should have been a time trial (team or individual, I don't care) around the Braids and Arthur's Seat, through Duddingston to Porty and back in along the Promenade. Not that the council would ever have signed off on it...
 
Valv.Piti said:
Yes, I think time trialists at the bare minimum should be looking at 1 decently flat ITT. On average I think something the 2008 Tour did was good with 1 medium and 1 long pretty flat ITT, throw a prologue in there at times, do 1 flat and 1 hilly etc. medium/long from year to year to mix it up. Its not even about GC at this point, its just about trying to create stages that incentivices the best bike riders across all discplines to compete against each other. Right now there's a decent balance to other discplines such as flat sprints, classic sprinter stuff, puncheur, break specialists, pure climbing etc., time trialing is just severely lacking behind.
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Yeah one thing I like about modern routes is that we don't have like 8-10 pure sprint stages anymore.
 
Long ITTs worked in the era when people read about the week's results in the Sunday paper. You can't have them when full stages are televised. The traditionalists argument that "Jacques Anquitil rode 300km time trials in the interwar period so we should do it now" just doesn't fly. Sorry.
 
Kaptain Kool said:
Long ITTs worked in the era when people read about the week's results in the Sunday paper. You can't have them when full stages are televised. The traditionalists argument that "Jacques Anquitil rode 300km time trials in the interwar period so we should do it now" just doesn't fly. Sorry.
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Long ITT's are more interesting than a pan flat sprint stage
 
Kaptain Kool said:
Long ITTs worked in the era when people read about the week's results in the Sunday paper. You can't have them when full stages are televised. The traditionalists argument that "Jacques Anquitil rode 300km time trials in the interwar period so we should do it now" just doesn't fly. Sorry.
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Are short ITTs interesting?
 
Kaptain Kool said:
Long ITTs worked in the era when people read about the week's results in the Sunday paper. You can't have them when full stages are televised. The traditionalists argument that "Jacques Anquitil rode 300km time trials in the interwar period so we should do it now" just doesn't fly. Sorry.
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That argument sounds more about TV coverage then cycling. What about 200 km flat stages?
 
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