tour de luxembourg 18-22 september 2024

[KZD]

Impressive win for Vansevenant and Van der Poel being able to follow Hirschi on a stage like this is really good news ahead of the Worlds.

 

[sam6]

Impressive win for Vansevenant and Van der Poel being able to follow Hirschi on a stage like this is really good news ahead of the Worlds.

Not really, if he can't follow Vansevenant an Formolo he has no chance vs Pogacar and Evenepoel on probably a harder course

 

[Hugo Koblet]

They already knew that. With Mathieu you never know, he can be absolute crap the week before and then dominate, and today he wasn't crap. He wasn't great either though. He had all the trouble in the world following Hirschi, and Hirschi is no Pogacar.

Great win by Vansevenant. Formolo got a little cocky there...

My thought exactly. If anything, if his form today is anything to go by, this stage showed that Van der Poel isn't winning Worlds this year.

 

[Berniece]

Not really, if he can't follow Vansevenant an Formolo he has no chance vs Pogacar and Evenepoel on probably a harder course

As if it was a case of not being able to follow

 

[Hugh Januss]

A characteristically great tactical display by UAE so far.

Did Ayuso do anything to help Hirschi, in any way, at any point?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

In fairness to Van der Poel, today had steeper climbs and a finale with a higher climb density than Worlds. I think the Worlds course difficulty is way overrated because of some exaggerated vertical meter number, there’s no climb longer than five minutes and few steep ramps.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Did Ayuso do anything to help Hirschi, in any way, at any point?

No.

Then again Ayuso did finish with Hirschi and has the better TT, so there's also a case to be made that Hirschi should have been working for Ayuso rather than the other way round.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Looks like he interpreted the "butt must be in contact with saddle" rule somewhat... creatively.

I think in this picture the saddle is touching his tailbone, but just barely... if I wanted to get creative I'd say the tailbone is still a part of our butt anatomy, the UCI obviously has different ideas.

 

[YavorD]

In fairness to Van der Poel, today had steeper climbs and a finale with a higher climb density than Worlds. I think the Worlds course difficulty is way overrated because of some exaggerated vertical meter number, there’s no climb longer than five minutes and few steep ramps.

I agree with that. In my opinion the Worlds circuit is comparable, if not slightly easier, to Montreal. If we use the (stupid) meters per kilometer climbing metric, Montreal is tougher.

 

[RedheadDane]

I think in this picture the saddle is touching his tailbone, but just barely... if I wanted to get creative I'd say the tailbone is still a part of our butt anatomy, the UCI obviously has different ideas.

I think it looks like it's just touching a random part of his buttock.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

I think it looks like it's just touching a random part of his buttock.

At this point I think we need more pictures of his arse and the saddle situation from different angles so we can make sure the penalty was warranted!

Also, do the rules say you actually have to sit on the saddle, or does the saddle just have to touch your butt?

 

[sam6]

I think a DSQ is harsh for Formolo. Just give him a 30-second penalty, that seems fair to me. Like with Roglic in the Vuelta

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I think a DSQ is harsh for Formolo. Just give him a 30-second penalty, that seems fair to me. Like with Roglic in the Vuelta

But now that Formolo didn‘t sit on his saddle in the Tour de Luxembourg, hundreds of children will have lifechanging injuries because they will want to emulate Formolo and will crash horribly because they won‘t sit on their saddle.

 

[Red Rick]

I think in this picture the saddle is touching his tailbone, but just barely... if I wanted to get creative I'd say the tailbone is still a part of our butt anatomy, the UCI obviously has different ideas.

Bilbao does it every descent and hasn't gotten a fine for it.

 

[Samamba]

Bilbao does it every descent and hasn't gotten a fine for it.

He got a yellow card in Montreal for a "dangerous" position, not sure if it was that tho and it would be absolutely unfair to just give him a meaningless yellow card and DQ someone else (apart from Formolo, Kulset also got DQed for it in Slovenia earlier this summer)

 

[Tricycle Rider]

But now that Formolo didn‘t sit on his saddle in the Tour de Luxembourg, hundreds of children will have lifechanging injuries because they will want to emulate Formolo and will crash horribly because they won‘t sit on their saddle.

It's almost like having to tell the parents their kids won't be performing well when they first hit the beam in women's gymnastics, or they won't get it right when throwing the javelin for the first time, right?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

1.3.008 The rider shall normally assume a sitting position on the bicycle. This position requires
that the only points of support are the following: the feet on the pedals, the hands on the
handlebars and the seat on the saddle.

2.2.025 Riders must observe the standard position as defined by article 1.3.008. Sitting on the
bicycle’s top tube is prohibited. Furthermore, using the forearms as a point of support on
the handlebar is prohibited except in time trials.

No requirement for his backside to be on the saddle: we've all watched climbs and sprints. The issue is his chest as weight-bearing.

 

[staubsauger]

Tbf the jury in Luxemburg has been very strict for the whole race. Lots of fines for inappropriate behavior.

So it's not out of the blue but actually fits their line of immediately sanctioning inappropriate behavior!

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Tbf the jury in Luxemburg has been very strict for the whole race. Lots of fines for inappropriate behavior.

So it's not out of the blue but actually fits their line of immediately sanctioning inappropriate behavior!

Noted, and thank you for the warning.

But I still need to see the specific rule where on the saddle you are supposed to position yourself when you are a pro.

 

[tobydawq]

They already knew that. With Mathieu you never know, he can be absolute crap the week before and then dominate, and today he wasn't crap. He wasn't great either though. He had all the trouble in the world following Hirschi, and Hirschi is no Pogacar.

Great win by Vansevenant. Formolo got a little cocky there...

To be fair, Hirschi had trouble following Hirschi too.

 

[tobydawq]

But now that Formolo didn‘t sit on his saddle in the Tour de Luxembourg, hundreds of children will have lifechanging injuries because they will want to emulate Formolo and will crash horribly because they won‘t sit on their saddle.

I think they might likely all die, even.

 

[Rob5091]

Good day for QS with 2 wins (here and in Belgium).
Other guys have been DQ for what Formolo was doing. I'm an idiot who knows next to nothing and even I said watching live that he'd be in trouble.

TT today might produce a few surprises.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Noted, and thank you for the warning.

But I still need to see the specific rule where on the saddle you are supposed to position yourself when you are a pro.

I cited the rule two posts above yours.

It is not about whether your backside is on the saddle, nor what part of it is, but what part of the bike is supporting your weight through what part of your body: Handlebars (hands only, not forearms except in TT, not chest as Formolo seemed to do here), pedals (feet, obviously) and saddle( what the UCI refers to as 'seat', thus outlawing the superman position).

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

My thought exactly. If anything, if his form today is anything to go by, this stage showed that Van der Poel isn't winning Worlds this year.

brother what, obviously he won't follow all moves and Vansevant and Formolo went quite early. VDP had no teammates, he gambled on UAE to solve his problems.

He stayed with Hirschi apart from a small moment on the final climb, and dropped all other contenders. With some reputated climbers here like Gaudu and Kelderman. If anything he showed strong form.

Weird conclusions being drawn here

 

[broppo]

brother what, obviously he won't follow all moves and Vansevant and Formolo went quite early. VDP had no teammates, he gambled on UAE to solve his problems.

He stayed with Hirschi apart from a small moment on the final climb, and dropped all other contenders. With some reputated climbers here like Gaudu and Kelderman. If anything he showed strong form.

Weird conclusions being drawn here

He did look weaker than Hirschi. Which is not a shame but Hirschi is 23/1 to win the worldchampionship.

Right now who do you think has a bigger chance To win the worlds', Hirschi or VdP?