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Tour de San Luis l 2.1 l 17-1 / 23-1-2011

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Ryo Hazuki

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Stages:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRB95luoGE&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]


Past winners:

2007: Jorge Giacinti
2008: Martin Garrido
2009: "El Flaco" Lucero
2010: Vincenzo Nibali

Last year

For the first time no Argentinean winner which was les of a surprise since only 1 team of Argentina was allowed to start just like this year.

Top ten
1 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Doimo 25:44:47
2 Jose Serpa (Col) Androni-Giocattoli 0:00:28
3 Rafael Valls (Spa) Footon-Servetto-Fuji 0:01:19
4 Ignacio Pereyra (Arg) Argentina 0:01:37
5 Santiago Botero (Col) Colombia 0:02:15
6 Jackson Rodriguez (Ven) Androni-Giocattoli
7 Jorge Giacinti (Arg) Scott - Marcondes Cesar Sao Jose Dos Campos
8 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Miche 0:02:16
9 Arnold Alcolea (Cub) Cuba 0:02:37
10 Carlos Ochoa (Ven) Androni-Giocattoli 0:03:45


Participants 2011:

Some big cannons are starting. Unfortunately no Geox who pulled out at the last moment so no Duarte. But other rulers like Mauricio Soler, Jorge Giacinti, Xavier Tondo, Ivan Basso, Jose Serpa, Jackson Rodriguez, David Bernabeu, Patxi Vila, Arnold Alcolea, Hernan Buenahora (Yes you are reading this correctly!!), Felix Cardenas en Angel Vicioso.

Unfortunately less and less place for South American teams but mostly national selections that are strong overall except the Argentineans.

Participants:

PRO TOUR:
1) Liquigas-Cannondale (Italia)
Iván Basso, Eros Capecchi, Japoco Guarneri, Domenik Nerz, Cristiano Salerno y Alessandro Vanotti.

2) Movistar Team (España)
Carlos Oyarzun, Francisco Iriarte, Pablo Lastras, Francisco Pérez, Mauricio Soler y Xavier Tondo.

3) AG2R (Francia)
Cyril Dessel, Julien Berard, Guillaume Bonnafond, Ben Gastauer, David Le Lay y Matteo Montaguti.

PRO CONTINENTALES:
4) Androni Giocattoli (Italia)
José Serpa, Carlos Ochoa, Jackson Rodríguez, Roberto Ferrari, Giairo Ermeti, Angel Vicioso

5) De Rosa-Cerámica Flaminia (Irlanda, figura en UCI)
Patxi Vila Errandonea, Giorgio Brambilla, Michele Merlo, Damiano Margutti, Paolo Bailetti y Stefano Borchi.

6) United Healthcare (EEUU)
Christian Meier, Andrew Pinfold, Rory Sutherland, Scott Zwizanski, Davide Frattini y Charles Wegelius.

7) Andalucía Caja Granada (España)
David Bernabeu, Adrián Palomares, Alberto Benitez, Antonio Piedra, Antonio Cabello y Jesús Rosendo.

CONTINENTALES:
8) Nutrixxion (Alemania)
Sabastian Forke, Sergej Fuchs, Grischa Hartmut Janorschke, Dirk Müller, Steffen Radochla y Bjorn Schroder.

9) Endura Racing (Reino Unido)
René Mandri, Iker Camaño, Robert Patrick, David Clarke, Marten De Jong y Alex Weterhall.

10) Funvic-Pindamonhangaba (Brasil)
Matías Médici, Marcos Crespo(Keep this one in mind for the sprints!), Héctor Aguilar, Adelio Silva, Magno Prado, Douglas Moi, Tiago Fiorilli y Tiego Gasparoto.

11) Onda-Boavista (Portugal)
Celio Alves Sousa, Alberto Morras Fernández, Jon Pardo Abarzuza, Alexander Marque Porto, Bruno Moreira Lima y Helder Alves Oliveira.

12) D'Angelo & Antonucci-Nippo (Italia)
Fortunato Baliani, Simone Campagnaro, Bernardo Riccio, Giuseppe Muraglia, Maximiliano Richeze y Miguel Angel Rubiano.

Selecciones:
13) Argentina
Walter Pérez, Jorge Giacinti, Martín Garrido, Alfredo Lucero, Josué Moyano, Mauro Richeze, Gerardo Fernández, Leandro Messineo, Cristian Martínez y Juan Lucero.

14) Brasil
Renato Martins Seabra, Gregory Alves de Freitas Panizo,Cristian Egiio da Rosa, Murilo
Ferraz Affonso, Rodrigo Araujo di Melo y Renato Aparecido dos Santos.

15) Bolivia
Oscar Soliz Villca, The climbing monster from Bolivia, he hasn;t been beaten in his home country in any race in over 2 years(also rides in Colombia with EBSA). Will be interesting to see him on the lower altitude, Juan Cotumba Coa, Piter Campero, Víctor Hugo Tarqui, Yamil Montaño y Horacio Gallardo Burgos.

16) Chile
Marco Arriagada Quinchel, Luis Mansilla Almonacid, Patricio Almonacid González,
Gonzalo Garrido Zenteno, Ricardo Hazbun Velásquez, Vicente Muga, Pablo Ramírez, Wolfgang Burman Litin, Jorge Contreras Vargas y Gonzalo Miranda.

17) Colombia
Weimar Ortíz, Juan Arango, Edwin Avila, Arlex Castro, Félix Baron, Félix Cárdenas Ravelo, Hernán Buenahora, Camilo Gómez, Juan Pablo Valencia y Jonathan Millan Ayala.

18) Cuba
Arnold Alcolea, Raúl Granjel Cabreja, Yasmani Martínez Regalado, Yennier López Fonseca, Pedro Torres Portuondo y Lisuandi Alonso Ruano.

19) Ecuador
Byron Guama, Segundo Navarrete, Jorge Gallegos, José Ragonessi, José Ruiz y Ramiro Calpa.

20) Paraguay
Fernando Rolón Aquino, Gustavo Miño Báez, José Arroyo Franco, Samuel Coronel González, Juan Villamayor Romero y Oscar Matiauda Acosta

21) Uruguay (aún no llegó confirmación oficial de la lista)
Richard Mascarañas, Hernán Cline, Néstor Pías, Jorge Soto, Emmanuel Yanes, Mariano De Fino, Pablo Pintos, Nemesio García y Gregory Duarte.

bolded names are guys to keep in mind for gc

To keep your attention here the queenstage of 2009 San Luis race to mirrador el Potrero the traditional queenstage finishing on 1720 metres summit.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvGY8qRPmzo[/youtube]
 
craig1985

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Official website (in Spanish)

Although I do have a question though, from a commercial POV, I can see why Movistar would send a team to the Tour de San Luis, but what commercial interests do AG2R and Liquigas have in both Argentina and South America?
 
Ryo Hazuki

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I think Lombardi is/was Race director now is Curuchet and they have big network with especially Italians. So I think that's why they start and besides it's the best preparation for season since it contains itt, climbs, flat and race is overall high level because the Argentineans, Uruguayans and Chileans are in the middle of their season. Still I'm not entirely sure why AG2R start all of a sudden. it seems trek livestrong pulled out as well and of course jamis cuz of the death of armando borrajo, team will start in vuelta chile
 
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garrido isn't really a sprinter and sucks anyway last year. mauro richeze is doing quite bad also. goes beyond me why they didn't select their good sprinters like raul dario diaz and ricardo escuela or even angel dario colla
 
Libertine Seguros

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Garrido is a sprinter the way Cândido Barbosa is. He can win short TTs, sometimes medium-length ones, but I guess I must have been dreaming all those top 10s and podium spots he managed in flat races in Portugal.

He hasn't been especially good in the last two years, no, but I recall quite a fun spat between him and Barbosa back in 2007-8. I suspect he's been picked on name value rather than what he can bring to the team, he's getting on a bit.
 
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garrido is a pure itt guy that has some good trackspeed, this is very common in argentina. totally different from explosive barbosa that in his core is a sprinter. garrido is mostly strong in long distance itt, as you could see in volta portugal final itt's and also world championships.
 
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also garrido was only 18th today in the 19 km itt in vuelta san juan won by zamora(!!), before medici and giacinti. so not in very good shape I suppose
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Garrido is a sprinter the way Cândido Barbosa is. He can win short TTs, sometimes medium-length ones, but I guess I must have been dreaming all those top 10s and podium spots he managed in flat races in Portugal.

He hasn't been especially good in the last two years, no, but I recall quite a fun spat between him and Barbosa back in 2007-8. I suspect he's been picked on name value rather than what he can bring to the team, he's getting on a bit.
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What PT rider would be similar to a guy like Cândido Barbosa?
 
Libertine Seguros

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craig1985 said:
What PT rider would be similar to a guy like Cândido Barbosa?
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Hard to say. Barbosa was a power guy, originally a sprinter, who at one point would climb very well (probably thanks to Clinic matters, since he'd suddenly turn into a climbing machine for two weeks in August), and who can still put in a top 10 showing in short and medium ITTs. He is perhaps even more of a threat on a slight uphill (eg stage 2 of the 2009 Volta, to Castelo Branco) than he is on the flat, but he's always a threat on the flat too. He has 8 points jerseys from the Volta and a highest GC position of 2nd.

After his uphill sprinting prowess last year I'd say Manuel Cardoso, but Barbosa's much more versatile than his compatriot. Maybe Danilo Hondo is a good shout, since he got into plenty of breakaways in the mountains and does well, but Barbosa's a better ITT guy. Maybe Óscar Freire, but Freire's less of a power guy and no ITT threat.

Leif Hoste and Philippe Gilbert both got into the top 10 of the final ITT in the Vuelta, but Barbosa's more of a sprinter than either of them (and less of a threat riding solo too).

Maybe Haussler? Geraint Thomas? José Joaquín Rojas? Allan Davis? Boonen is a pretty good TTer when he wants to be, can get over a hill or two, but is much more willing to ride alone or in small groups than Barbosa, who plays sprint train and would never get on with the northern Classics.

Very difficult to describe. If there was a rider capable of doing all the tasks that Barbosa does, as well as he does but on a ProTour scale, we'd ALL know about that rider.
 
Ryo Hazuki

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craig1985 said:
What PT rider would be similar to a guy like Cândido Barbosa?
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hard to say really. the guys is 172 cm and 72 kg, he's very allround which isn't too rare but also very explosive, bit like bettini I guess and when you add doping to barbosa he makes incredible itt and longer climbs.

I'd say compare him to ventoso, but barbosa is/was better
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Hard to say. Barbosa was a power guy, originally a sprinter, who at one point would climb very well (probably thanks to Clinic matters, since he'd suddenly turn into a climbing machine for two weeks in August), and who can still put in a top 10 showing in short and medium ITTs. He is perhaps even more of a threat on a slight uphill (eg stage 2 of the 2009 Volta, to Castelo Branco) than he is on the flat, but he's always a threat on the flat too. He has 8 points jerseys from the Volta and a highest GC position of 2nd.

After his uphill sprinting prowess last year I'd say Manuel Cardoso, but Barbosa's much more versatile than his compatriot. Maybe Danilo Hondo is a good shout, since he got into plenty of breakaways in the mountains and does well, but Barbosa's a better ITT guy. Maybe Óscar Freire, but Freire's less of a power guy and no ITT threat.

Leif Hoste and Philippe Gilbert both got into the top 10 of the final ITT in the Vuelta, but Barbosa's more of a sprinter than either of them (and less of a threat riding solo too).

Maybe Haussler? Geraint Thomas? José Joaquín Rojas? Allan Davis? Boonen is a pretty good TTer when he wants to be, can get over a hill or two, but is much more willing to ride alone or in small groups than Barbosa, who plays sprint train and would never get on with the northern Classics.

Very difficult to describe. If there was a rider capable of doing all the tasks that Barbosa does, as well as he does but on a ProTour scale, we'd ALL know about that rider.
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Paolini probably?
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
Endura Racing (Reino Unido)
René Mandri, Iker Camaño, Robert Patrick, David Clarke, Marten De Jong y Alex Weterhall.
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Of course that would be Rob Partridge (8th in TOB last season).

Fancy Alex Weterhall (stagiere for Cervelo last season) for the ITT. Interested to see how Endura get on. They're making a step up again this season so it'll be interesting.
 
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Tondo looks to me like a good one for the overall, but I don't have much of a clue about the South American contingent.
 
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Reverend_T_Preedy said:
Of course that would be Rob Partridge (8th in TOB last season).

Fancy Alex Weterhall (stagiere for Cervelo last season) for the ITT. Interested to see how Endura get on. They're making a step up again this season so it'll be interesting.
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Even more interesting when they get to europe in the Tours of Qatar, Méditerranéen & Oman
 
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Passista said:
Tondo looks to me like a good one for the overall, but I don't have much of a clue about the South American contingent.
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seems one of the best in climbs here but in itt I would think some of the south americans will beat him most notably giacinti. but who knows
 
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Based on earlier posts in this thread, I think I've figured it out for you guys: Candido Barbosa is just like Eddy Merckx.
 
Libertine Seguros

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ergmonkey said:
Based on earlier posts in this thread, I think I've figured it out for you guys: Candido Barbosa is just like Eddy Merckx.
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If Eddy Merckx got spooked out by his first attempt at a GT and spent the rest of his career doing nothing but domestic calendar races and never taking on the top level riders ever, and of course wasn't anything like as good as he was, then sure.

If somebody could hit the ProTour scene and handle it the same way Cândido treats the Portuguese domestic scene, then yes, they'd be like a new Eddy.

In fact, I think Boasson Hagen might be the best comparison - powerful, very good TT, more than useful in a sprint, can climb a bit but not a climber.
 
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