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Tyler H's broken collarbone?

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Tyler H's broken collarbone?

I believe breaking it is incredibly painful and you would not be able to ride afterwards, á la Schleck F in this years TdF, so how come Tyler rode a whole TdF?

was it part of another myth exercise and really only a hairline crack? anyone ever see an x-ray of it.

Bit tired of it being quoted lots of places as some ride to win a stage win a broken collarbone....

I heard a Walsh interview on competitor radio and he reckoned it was a small hairline crack and also TH had not got the recovery ability for a GT rider nd he kool aid it big time.
 

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But the pain was so bad Hamilton ground his molars down and needed a dozen caps when that race was over!

Seriously, he said that at the time.
 
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But the pain was so bad Hamilton ground his molars down and needed a dozen caps when that race was over!

Seriously, he said that at the time.

jimmy, I think that was at the Giro he ground down the teeth, from a shoulder, may have been broken too.

And then there was Landis' hip replacement and endorsement by Smith and NEphew. He never had a hip replacement, the surgery was resurfacing his femur head which had necrosis or was dying (perhaps). Ofcourse, all these riders were selling a fictional myth and hero narrative to the consumer back home, here in the states, and for endorsement contracts. They learnt from the best, Stapleton and StrongArm.
 
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Tyler H's broken collarbone?

I believe breaking it is incredibly painful and you would not be able to ride afterwards, á la Schleck F in this years TdF, so how come Tyler rode a whole TdF?

was it part of another myth exercise and really only a hairline crack? anyone ever see an x-ray of it.

Bit tired of it being quoted lots of places as some ride to win a stage win a broken collarbone....

I heard a Walsh interview on competitor radio and he reckoned it was a small hairline crack and also TH had not got the recovery ability for a GT rider nd he kool aid it big time.

Going from memory here...

I remember CSC showing an x-ray that revealed a non-displaced fracture.

If the bone is displaced, you are done. If not.... then I suppose it becomes a pain management issue.
 
I always assume most of these heroic feats are half truths. Look at how Evens rode the whole tour with a "broken" arm. Maybe TH cracked it or bruised it but it wasn't broken in two places like Franky's was. I seem to recall a xray for Frank as well, all those other examples the xray never was released. I do recall the TH tooth story, big deal was made of that, I find that a bit sensational too.
 
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I suppose it depends if you know the full version (cracked collar bone, re-surfaced femur) or the short-hand version which goes in the headline because it's more digestible for readers. It's not necessarily devious line spinning by the riders.
 
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I suppose it depends if you know the full version (cracked collar bone, re-surfaced femur) or the short-hand version which goes in the headline because it's more digestible for readers. It's not necessarily devious line spinning by the riders.

it depends on what is in the article, in TH's case, i was reading the pro racing section here and nearly everyone who quotes it thinks it was broken, it wasn't. It either is or it isnt and a rider/DS can clear that up very quickly:rolleyes:
 
And the way ugly bandages he rode the rest of the tour with were just for fun and maintaining the myth he was injured...

I think it was broken - and that a broken collarbone can have different degrees of severity... It clearly wasn't so bad he had to withdraw. I'm not sure, but aren't there other stories of people riding with broken collarbones? There definitely are stories of people riding with other fractures...

In addition, he was clearly pumped full of whatever he used...

As for the tooth story - no idea, but I have no reason to doubt it outright.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Going from memory here...

I remember CSC showing an x-ray that revealed a non-displaced fracture.

If the bone is displaced, you are done. If not.... then I suppose it becomes a pain management issue.

You are correct on a non-displaced bone. You can continue on a displaced bone but it is very uncomfortable. You're not getting out of the saddle or enjoying uneven pavement but it's doable if your life depended on it.
I know a rider that won a State TT with a displaced collarbone less than a week from the injury. He couldn't get off the bike and out of the aero position without help, though.
 
blackcat said:
And then there was Landis' hip replacement and endorsement by Smith and NEphew. He never had a hip replacement, the surgery was resurfacing his femur head which had necrosis or was dying (perhaps). Ofcourse, all these riders were selling a fictional myth and hero narrative to the consumer back home, here in the states, and for endorsement contracts. They learnt from the best, Stapleton and StrongArm.

IIRC FLoyd clarified himself in an interview when he was selling his "fabulous" book that it wasn't replaced. Saying something along the lines of if it had been replaced there had been no way he'd have been riding again and that it was because of this new and less intrusive method he was able to... So although he was a lying, cheating buster back then it seems he wasn't selling the "fictional myth" based on this...

Anyway, IIRC only!
 
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And the way ugly bandages he rode the rest of the tour with were just for fun and maintaining the myth he was injured...

I think it was broken - and that a broken collarbone can have different degrees of severity... It clearly wasn't so bad he had to withdraw. I'm not sure, but aren't there other stories of people riding with broken collarbones? There definitely are stories of people riding with other fractures...

In addition, he was clearly pumped full of whatever he used...

As for the tooth story - no idea, but I have no reason to doubt it outright.
Colombian Francisco Colorado in the Vuelta a Colombia 2010 finished the race with a fractured Collarbone. He did it like with 5 days to go I think.
 
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jimmy, I think that was at the Giro he ground down the teeth, from a shoulder, may have been broken too.

And then there was Landis' hip replacement and endorsement by Smith and NEphew. He never had a hip replacement, the surgery was resurfacing his femur head which had necrosis or was dying (perhaps). Ofcourse, all these riders were selling a fictional myth and hero narrative to the consumer back home, here in the states, and for endorsement contracts. They learnt from the best, Stapleton and StrongArm.

Well, the next logical question . . . did his cancer actually spread to his brain and lungs?
 
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I suppose it depends if you know the full version (cracked collar bone, re-surfaced femur) or the short-hand version which goes in the headline because it's more digestible for readers. It's not necessarily devious line spinning by the riders.

you obviously never followed the narrative in the media.

Landis had a story put in the NY Times weekend magazine, by a PR firm, the week before the Tour, talking about his hip replacement, cue Smith&Nephew. And Hamilton, cant believe anything this cat says.
 
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IIRC FLoyd clarified himself in an interview when he was selling his "fabulous" book that it wasn't replaced. Saying something along the lines of if it had been replaced there had been no way he'd have been riding again and that it was because of this new and less intrusive method he was able to... So although he was a lying, cheating buster back then it seems he wasn't selling the "fictional myth" based on this...

Anyway, IIRC only!

this was after he had the opportunity to shill for Smith&Nephew however
 

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Benotti69 said:
Tyler H's broken collarbone?

I heard a Walsh interview on competitor radio and he reckoned it was a small hairline crack and also TH had not got the recovery ability for a GT rider nd he kool aid it big time.

Tyler was a klutz, no doubt about that. Always falling,

Plus he was a bit frail compared to the average pro Cyclist.
Injuries came easy.

Finally, I always thought he was a big "Drama Queen" - even before it became fashionable to do so. We interweb tough guys grrrrrrr.

That said, I would think Walsh would miss at least a half day of work if HE fractured his collarbone waawaa. "Can't type, can't post on interwebz waawaa"

Anyone who even finishes a GT period is a major stud of couse.
How many GTs did Tyler finish? Quite a few.

Interesting also, we can trace the popularity of the "Compact Crankset" back to Tyler like we trace aerobars back to LeMond. After a Giro crash, Tyler slapped on double handle bar tape and a 50/34 Compact Crankset in order to climb more comfortably seated.....without having to stand up and strain his booboo. I believe it was an FSA Compact. They became much more commercially popular after that GT.
 

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"Pain don't hurt"


Patrick Swayze Roadhouse.

I'm very skeptical of TH's stories. He's riding this incredibly strenuous race in fairly severe pain? OK, how does he sleep at night?

The Giro and ground down teeth, and he's sleeping, eating? BS.

James Frey pulled this root canal without anesthesia bs. Any animal would be leaping out of their skin.
 

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"Pain don't hurt"


Patrick Swayze Roadhouse.

I'm very skeptical of TH's stories. He's riding this incredibly strenuous race in fairly severe pain? OK, how does he sleep at night?

The Giro and ground down teeth, and he's sleeping, eating? BS.

James Frey pulled this root canal without anesthesia bs. Any animal would be leaping out of their skin.

I am not sticking up for Tyler but these athletes suffer incredibly quite frequently. In the I-MAX film it showed the climbs in the alps. I never knew how tough they were until I saw that film. That is day in and day out for those guys. I actually see how the mind could block the pain of an injury like Tyler had in the tour.
 

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I am not sticking up for Tyler but these athletes suffer incredibly quite frequently. In the I-MAX film it showed the climbs in the alps. I never knew how tough they were until I saw that film. That is day in and day out for those guys. I actually see how the mind could block the pain of an injury like Tyler had in the tour.

You ever have any problems with your teeth? You have one broken tooth it hurts and you have to adjust your eating. This guy is eating 7 to 8,000 calories a day with a bunch of effed up teeth?

Ever have throbbing pain from a broken bone?

If you have, you've no doubt dealt with it. How was your sleep? Did you do centuries for two weeks in a row after these kinds of injuries?

I doubt TH did either.
 

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I thought that documentary never came out?

A rider from one of the French teams the one with the white jersey with the blue clover on it. After Tyler got in trouble they did the film(which was about the power the mind has control over the bodies functions)they did the film with the other rider. Beautiful job that film. I do not know the riders name but the cinematography was stunning. Great looking rider beautiful wife(chic, obviously an ex podium girl) and darling baby. Covered the big mountain stages.
 
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A rider from one of the French teams the one with the white jersey with the blue clover on it. After Tyler got in trouble they did the film(which was about the power the mind has control over the bodies functions)they did the film with the other rider. Beautiful job that film. I do not know the riders name but the cinematography was stunning. Great looking rider beautiful wife(chic, obviously an ex podium girl) and darling baby. Covered the big mountain stages.


they cut the footage to make Jimmy Casper and Baden Cooke the leads
 
Susan Westemeyer said:
Even a slight crack in a bone is technically a fracture, according to my orthopedist many years ago.

Susan

I would add that when you have a broken bone, even a small one, your body at rest works harder : in one of my many broken collarbone incidents I thought of measuring my resting heart rate in the following week and it was up about 10 bpm, around 50 instead of 40.

I have also raced once with a small cast, 15 cm long, on my forearm. I chose the easiest race I could find for my category, well below my "normal" level. I managed to finish and place but finished totally worn out.

Just two little items to show how much of a handicap a broken bone can be.
 
I believed at the time, but it really stretched credulity when, in the last km of that epic breakaway stage win (it still WAS that), he first extended his right arm to shake hands with Bjarne as they were presumably doing about 25-30 km/h, and then RAISED his arms overhead in victory!