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blutto said:
...Society has grown too large...and more importantly, too complex....in fact its amazing that a system designed several hundred years ago still functions as well as it does in this modern age...

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blutto
Apparently so.

I see real danger though. In Cali our population is roughly 37 million. There are roughly 300,000 tax filers that will be effected by the new tax increase. This group accounts for over half of the income tax collected in CA.

Even a small reduction in the size of this this group will hurt badly the state's ability to realize revenue increases. Then there will be more pressure to tax this group resulting in more incentive to flee the State.
 
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Epic Unhinged Teatard (?) Rant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoqti0lzAw&feature=youtu.be


I spent 8 months in a Palin group.

I am so [@#$%#%^] mad at Sarah Palin tonight. I could spit nails at her. She failed this country. She should have stepped up. She should have ran... I know she has small kids. But everyone makes sacrifices. .. SARAH....
If you don't understand that, get off the #%@$#& internet. You are in the way
And Freepers wanting to rejoin the UK to escape socialism:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2956850/posts

and nothing exudes confidence as much as going live with your post-election transition website with instructions for those seeking sweet sweet administration jobs.



What has the world come to.
 
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VeloCity said:
This is why you guys still don't and probably never will get it.
It's not my conclusion. I've posted the link twice.

Higher rates of Hispanic poverty drive this disparity in welfare consumption. Hispanics made up nearly 60 percent of California’s poor in 2010, despite being less than 38 percent of the population. Nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics in California are poor, compared with a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nationally, the poverty rate of Hispanic adults drops from 25.5 percent in the first generation—the immigrant generation, that is—to 17 percent in the second but rises to 19 percent in the third, according to a Center for Immigration Studies analysis. (The poverty rate for white adults is 9 percent.) That frustrating third-generation economic stall repeats the pattern in high school graduation and college completion rates as well.
The statistics are either correct or incorrect. Maybe you want to argue with the conclusion? Okay, argue away.

If you are right the D's are going to get the Hispanic vote. If Ms. Mac Donald is right the D's are still going to get the Hispanic vote.
 
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I see that Puerto Rico has voted for statehood by the required majority. What all has to happen now before we get a 51st state, and is this a 'good thing'? I have no opinion, I simply don't know.
 
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I see that Scott has come back to talk about whatever it is he likes to talk about. Usually it has something to do with the Cali welfare state, but he ignores the fact that the "Hispanic population" in California really does all the heavy lifting for basically poverty wages, and that the upper end of the middle class pays those wages (nannies, gardeners, guys who make awesome stone walls and fireplaces, guys who cart off the stuff that the city trash collectors won't take). In reality the "tax burden" that results is just a way of making the rest of us pay so the really rich can get good deals on things that the rest of the middle class can not afford.
 
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...is this what you call irony?...or proof positive that there is a god in heaven, and he does not like the wrong wing, and he has a wicked sense of humour...

"You reap what you sow. It seems hard to believe in the wake of the invasion of Iraq and widespread conservative hostility towards Muslims in the United States, but prior to 9/11, American Muslims were a solidly Republican voter demographic. Via Ray on the Royals, baseball blogger Rany Jazayerli pointed out yesterday that, fascinatingly, ex-Republican Muslim voters would have won the election for Mitt Romney:


In the 2000 election, approximately 70% of Muslims in America voted for Bush; among non-African-American Muslims, the ratio was over 80%. Four years later, Bush’s share of the vote among Muslims was 4%.

There is simply no way that I can justify voting for a party that denies the very legitimacy of my identity as an American. Nor can most other members of the American Muslim community, who just happen to be clustered in swing states like Ohio, Virginia, and Florida. If Nate Silver is right, not only will Romney lose the election, but it can be safely said that if the Muslim community had voted the same way they had in 2000, he would have won."

Cheers

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Hugh Januss said:
I see that Scott has come back to talk about whatever it is he likes to talk about. Usually it has something to do with the Cali welfare state, but he ignores the fact that the "Hispanic population" in California really does all the heavy lifting for basically poverty wages, and that the upper end of the middle class pays those wages (nannies, gardeners, guys who make awesome stone walls and fireplaces, guys who cart off the stuff that the city trash collectors won't take). In reality the "tax burden" that results is just a way of making the rest of us pay so the really rich can get good deals on things that the rest of the middle class can not afford.

Sssup, HJ? How's the cross season treating you? I paid $12 a beer and $10 to park at Sppokycross. I hope you guys racing enjoyed it because the spectating sucked.

You should read the piece written by Ms Mac Donald. It draws interesting conclusions backed up with facts and real data. It's not a hit piece... just read it.
Then you can walk back most of your snotty post.:)
 
Zam_Olyas said:
The extent to which the right-wing has polluted politics with the vitriol of loathing and hate, transforming this last presidential campaign into a quasi-civil war; has been perfectly summarized in this ghastly piece.

There are family members (republicans) in America, who have stopped speaking to other family members (democrats); idem with friends. And to think in Europe one can say he is a communist and not be insulted, because it’s not taken as an insult, but a political position.

It also testifies to the fact that within modern global democracy, there is no one further to right than a right-wing American.
 
Scott SoCal said:
..the south FL Cubans already are pretty conservative.
http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_1_california-demographics.html
Just to make a precision about the political inclinations of the defected Cubans, they are convinced of the salvific nature of American style capitalism and hence are not merely "pretty conservative," but would vote for the Antichrist himself so long as he wasn't a socialist. ;)

Those I have met who have made it to Europe are less radicalized and hold a more nuanced and balanced position, which evidences a cultural difference in regards to extremism and free-market, capitalist viewpoints between the two democratic galaxies. Of course this is a problem for the republican party in the complex and morphed world of today, for which any extremism is not fortuitous. They have become radicalized and cannot see that the type of uber-capitalism they embrace, with all the fervor of religious fundamentalists and the Politburo, inevitably leads, because is the cause of, the crisis in capitalism and thus cannot be resovled, as they maintain it can, by the same filamentary policy.
 
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Just to make a precision about the political inclinations of the defected Cubans, they are convinced of the salvific nature of American style capitalism and hence are not merely "pretty conservative," but would vote for the Antichrist himself so long as he wasn't a socialist. ;)

Those I have met who have made it to Europe are less radicalized and hold a more nuanced and balanced position, which evidences a cultural difference in regards to extremism and free-market, capitalist viewpoints between the two democratic galaxies. Of course this is a problem for the republican party in the complex and morphed world of today, for which any extremism is not fortuitous. They have become radicalized and cannot see that the type of uber-capitalism they embrace, with all the fervor of religious fundamentalists and the Politburo, inevitably leads, because is the cause of, the crisis in capitalism and thus cannot be resovled, as they maintain it can, by the same filamentary policy.
It is nice to hear that the Cubans who have made it to Europe are less radical and have a more balance. :rolleyes:

You just made that crap up. Do you have experience working with all the defected Cubans in America?

Thanks for the lecture in regards to what is wrong with the USA defected Cubans as compared to the European counterparts. :cool:

Imagine if the USA had the vision to drop all of this embargo crap and flooded Cuba with the big bad capitalist goods and services. Wow imagine what the people would do with food, water, toilet paper, cars, cheap electronics...on and on. That bad capitalist just might start another revolution and Fidel and family would find their a$$'s out of a job or dead. Oh well.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Sssup, HJ? How's the cross season treating you? I paid $12 a beer and $10 to park at Sppokycross. I hope you guys racing enjoyed it because the spectating sucked.

You should read the piece written by Ms Mac Donald. It draws interesting conclusions backed up with facts and real data. It's not a hit piece... just read it.
Then you can walk back most of your snotty post.:)
$12 a beer to pay for a sport catering to wealthy, aging, elitists to pretend they're still athletes? supporting that makes you part of the problem.....:D please tell me it wasn't bud light !!!!
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
It is nice to hear that the Cubans who have made it to Europe are less radical and have a more balance. :rolleyes:

You just made that crap up. Do you have experience working with all the defected Cubans in America?

Thanks for the lecture in regards to what is wrong with the USA defected Cubans as compared to the European counterparts. :cool:

Imagine if the USA had the vision to drop all of this embargo crap and flooded Cuba with the big bad capitalist goods and services. Wow imagine what the people would do with food, water, toilet paper, cars, cheap electronics...on and on. That bad capitalist just might start another revolution and Fidel and family would find their a$$'s out of a job or dead. Oh well.
come on glenn, both the cubans he met were less radical. rube wouldn't make up anything.
 
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Mitt Romney's Campaign Cancels Staffers Credit Cards In The Middle Of The Night (Forbes)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineolen/2012/11/08/mitt-romneys-campaign-cancels-staffers-credit-cards-in-the-middle-of-the-night/

"The next time you have the misfortune of hearing a Wall Street titan or other one-percenter whine about how their trickle-down contributions are not appreciated by the masses remember this tidbit, courtesy of Garrett Haake at NBC:

"From the moment Mitt Romney stepped off stage Tuesday night, having just delivered a brief concession speech he wrote only that evening, the massive infrastructure surrounding his campaign quickly began to disassemble itself."

Aides taking cabs home late that night got rude awakenings when they found the credit cards linked to the campaign no longer worked.

No doubt a whole host of Boston taxi drivers found themselves stiffed when it came to tips early Wednesday morning. That’s what happens when the money trickles up, not down and it’s why healthy economies don’t depend on the trickle down whims of overlords. The minute Richie Rich decides he doesn’t need all that stuff staff … well, that’s that.

In case you are wondering, this did not have to happen. The Mitt Romney for President entity does not end with Romeny’s Tuesday night loss. There are papers to be filed with various federal commissions and bills to be paid …."

....so this is the kind of behaviour that the US would had to endure had RobMe been elected...looks like America dodged a bullet...

What a jerk.

Cheers

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:rolleyes:

:D

I'm at a loss, really...

Please listen/read, folks... Ah've a serious Proposition hereunder on how WE THE SOVEREIGN AMERICAN CITIZEN-TAXPAYERS can take back America from those dang marxists and their free-loading cabal of societally-parasitic electoral supporters...

Here goes:

Let's get Gov. Mitt Romney & Gov. Sarah Palin to lead an econopolitical crusade to gather all interested conservatives; persuade each to invest à minimum of $50 to fund the acquisition of nationwide-subscribed newspapers (ie: target the NYTimes, for example!), radio stations, TV stations (ie: target CNN!), failing high schools all over the US (to turn them into private low-tuition magnet-school systèms that have strong Boy-Scouting & ROTC programs, philosopolitical civics curricula, and open to churches-and-homeschooling interscholastic instructions), etc. These infrastructural foundations for conservatism are self-sustainable from the get-go and should be financially-and-sociopolitically-profitable in the long term. They nurture and acculturate young people from their formative years and onwards for the rest of their adult lives. And they attract America's bests by simply doing their profit-making business activities!

And starting with the Tea Party movement which informal total membership, in mah conservative estimation... must be around à million-strong, mah proposition has the critical mass for a big-time take-off. If a million-strong investors' group would invest an average of à $100 each, that $100-million investment fund could make say... a newly-acquired NYTimes sensational and profitable overnight with 1-million new subscribers that could offset even à ruinous 50% outright subscriber-cancellations from its present marxist clients.

With a grandiose opening-shot like that, the likes of CNN-targets won't be far-off with Gov. Mitt Romney's investment/managérial skills, plus Gov. Sarah Palin's PR-charisma, Ann Coulter's legal ****ings, Michelle Malkin's persuasive editorializings, PolitiChicks motivationals, Rissy Hamilton's opposition-researchings... Et cetera...

The principal characters of mah Proposition are in place, very likely ready, and above all - have abundantly-proven themselves highly-motivated-to-succeed and pretty skilled in their respective fields. Furthermore, these times are ripe to start this grandiose enterprise. And with the odiously-incompetent / pathological liar at the helm of shrinking-global US-leadership, the next 4 years promise huge harvests of newsworthy materials that the reading public here and aborda will snap up!

Therefore, friends, what are we waiting for! Mah personal $300-investment into this proposed-Romney-managed-$100M-AmericanConservatives-fund is getting hot and ready!
 
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theyoungest said:
That one really seems a joke, including Redneck spelling.
...nah....Rednecks, contrary to popular opinion are smarter than that, that is definitely officially approved Tea-billy talk....

Cheers

blutto
 
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patricknd said:
$12 a beer to pay for a sport catering to wealthy, aging, elitists to pretend they're still athletes? supporting that makes you part of the problem.....:D please tell me it wasn't bud light !!!!
Not Bud Light.:D

I think it was Longboard IPA. I walked up and ordered two beers... One for me an one for Mrs SoCal. The bartender says.. "That'll be twenty four dollars" and didn't bat an eye.:eek:
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Not Bud Light.:D

I think it was Longboard IPA. I walked up and ordered two beers... One for me an one for Mrs SoCal. The bartender says.. "That'll be twenty four dollars" and didn't bat an eye.:eek:
i would have had to ask for my other four beers :D
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Not Bud Light.:D

I think it was Longboard IPA. I walked up and ordered two beers... One for me an one for Mrs SoCal. The bartender says.. "That'll be twenty four dollars" and didn't bat an eye.:eek:
TBF the beers were nearly 24oz. but yeah it was a little steep, that is why all the team tents had their own coolers. If you would have come by my tent I'd have bought you a beer or three.;)
 
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blutto said:
Mitt Romney's Campaign Cancels Staffers Credit Cards In The Middle Of The Night (Forbes)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineolen/2012/11/08/mitt-romneys-campaign-cancels-staffers-credit-cards-in-the-middle-of-the-night/

"The next time you have the misfortune of hearing a Wall Street titan or other one-percenter whine about how their trickle-down contributions are not appreciated by the masses remember this tidbit, courtesy of Garrett Haake at NBC:

"From the moment Mitt Romney stepped off stage Tuesday night, having just delivered a brief concession speech he wrote only that evening, the massive infrastructure surrounding his campaign quickly began to disassemble itself."

Aides taking cabs home late that night got rude awakenings when they found the credit cards linked to the campaign no longer worked.

No doubt a whole host of Boston taxi drivers found themselves stiffed when it came to tips early Wednesday morning. That’s what happens when the money trickles up, not down and it’s why healthy economies don’t depend on the trickle down whims of overlords. The minute Richie Rich decides he doesn’t need all that stuff staff … well, that’s that.

In case you are wondering, this did not have to happen. The Mitt Romney for President entity does not end with Romeny’s Tuesday night loss. There are papers to be filed with various federal commissions and bills to be paid …."

....so this is the kind of behaviour that the US would had to endure had RobMe been elected...looks like America dodged a bullet...

What a jerk.

Cheers

blutto
pfft they couldn't even do something as simple as add up polling numbers accurately and people (hey Scott) thought they were going to balance a multi-trillion dollar budget and reform the tax code? They were a **** show from the beginning to end.
 
READ THIS!

Since the election is now over, and that is the general purpose of this thread, I'm trying to figure out when a good time to close this thread will be, and steer the conversation back into the General Politics thread.

I will consider slitting threads, but in a very limited capacity. While this is the Cafe, it's still a cycling forum and I honestly don't feel we need more than one politics thread. But if anyone can give me a good reason to have more tham one political thread, and define what those threads would be, im open to hear it. All feedback is welcome.
 
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