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red_flanders said:
California has more taxes and regulations than most other states, and this certainly does cause some businesses to move elsewhere. The only question is whether the regulations and taxes are a net positive or negative on the states livability and the overall happiness and success of the people of the state. Certainly there are some obtuse regulations which exist for little reason other than someone mistakenly thought they made sense, and once enacted, they're very hard to remove. Certainly others have protected the state from becoming an infected sewage dump for industry and manufacturing.

This isn't Iowa or Idaho. There is a problem of scale here that simply doesn't apply in other states. With over 30 million people and the 5th largest economy in the world, there are just a lot of people and a lot of economic activity, which has a tremendous impact on the ecology and livability of the state. Why is there so much regulation of auto emissions? Because there are 10x more cars here than in other places. I've lived here long enough to remember having to practice soccer during smog warning days in the 80's and having burning eyes and lungs for weeks afterward. No freakin' thank you, I very much appreciate the pollution regulations and clean air bills we've passed since those days.

The thing is this is a freaking beautiful place, well worth protecting, and well worth erring on the side of over-regulating. If there are those people and businesses that haven't found it worth the cost, I get it. I don't begrudge anyone seeking what they're looking for elsewhere. But for so many of us, the regulations on the whole make the place one of the most beautiful places in the world to live, and one of the most thriving economic forces the world has frankly ever seen. It ain't perfect but the picture the right wingnuts paint of it is a joke. For example:



People are happy here. Are they where you live? Yeah LA can be a shiite hole, and I generally can't stand it. But it's not the whole state by a long shot, and even there, there are amazing places to live, work, and play. There are few places in the country where I'd live, and I'm incredibly lucky to live and work in NOR*CAL.
Good post!

When discussing regulations, especially things that affect air/water, I frequently refer to the air quality in CA. Like you said in the '80s it was way worse than now, because they did something about it. Even if they don't 'get' climate change, they get breathing.

I'm not too sure about the "best", "happiest", etc, cities rankings that are so predominant now.
 
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jmdirt said:
As we discussed after the first debate, the 10 person, short answer format is not good.
-Call out of the night goes to Pete Buttigieg for calling out republicans.
-Marianne Williamson says some really good things, but she also says so pretty (EDIT: completely) off the wall stuff. Her demeanor is enough for most people to tune her out.
-Bernie Sanders seems on the verge of a medical emergency.

EDIT PB's quote:
"If you are watching this at home and you are a Republican member of congress, consider the fact that when the sun sets on your career, and they are writing your story of all the good and bad things you did in your life, the thing you will be remembered for is whether in this moment with this president you found the courage to stand up to him, or you continue to put party over country," Buttigieg said in one of the night's most memorable moments."
Night two:
Booker and Castro are solid.
Gillibrand: "The first thing that I am going to do when I am president is clorox the oval office."
 
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Koronin said:
Plus California has some of the best weather anywhere.
The questions are derived from the Gallup well being index. The five areas are:
• Purpose
• Social
• Financial
• Community
• Physical

I couldn't easily find a list of questions but while it's possible that weather may be an influencing factor, it's not directly part of the survey.

More info on the index here:
http://info.healthways.com/hs-fs/hub/162029/file-1634508606-pdf/WBI2013/Gallup-Healthways_State_of_Global_Well-Being_vFINAL.pdf

It's a global research project which has been happening for over a decade.

Methodology here:
https://www.gallup.com/175196/gallup-healthways-index-methodology.aspx

I can't say I'm in any way surprised by the places which do well and the places which do not.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/11/where-to-find-the-good-life/#close

jmdirt said:
Good post!

When discussing regulations, especially things that affect air/water, I frequently refer to the air quality in CA. Like you said in the '80s it was way worse than now, because they did something about it. Even if they don't 'get' climate change, they get breathing.

I'm not too sure about the "best", "happiest", etc, cities rankings that are so predominant now.
Thanks! I'm not sure about the rankings either but I can't immediately find significant fault with the study detailed above.
 
Are counting air quality as weather?
I remember thinking it was funny people from different parts of LA commenting about changes from one neighborhood to another. There was a semi famous race in Orange county know as the Ziggurat. It was this office park crit held on a pretty regular basis. The area was a vital records building for the government so after @430 or 5 on Friday until @8am Monday you could do lots of stuff on wide streets,race,motorpace, RC cars,ect. People would praise the area for good racing air!!!
I went to races in Thousand Oaks, Commerce, Long Beach and other places each with waaaay different air quality and visibility!!
I did a circuit race in Pomona. The course was over some downtown streets. @3-4 North,South and an equal or so number of East West for a really big 4 corners. So maybe 10-15sq blocks.
The part that was always talked about..a breakaway got off. As you were racing you could look down different streets and try to see the break and the pack chasing..but not easy!!!
It was hard to see 4-6 blocks because the air was so Orange Grey dirty,smoggy..
On a hot summer day..mid afternoon you could lose sight of cyclists 4 blocks from you because the air was thick enough to block your view.
Racing near the coast was always the preference..Riverside and San Bernardino counties were hit or miss..seeing the pictures of places in China or Africa were you can't see 100ft used to be a California reality.
Phoenix and Denver are both in bowl valleys and in years past when flying in or out by airplane you could see a dark dirty blanket of schit, covering the cities.
Everyone working together has made a huge difference. Better cleaner gas and cars..emissions testing and public awareness..huge improvement.
Trump saying we can go back..is really really fvcking, stupid.

I had an obsession to race on velodromes in the East. I went to a couple of towns in East Germany to see if I could find where Olaf Ludwig got his chops.. I remember the puzzle..what was that smell.? There were 2-cycle cars that looked like shrunk 55 Chevys ..smoke all over, motorcycles and scooters all w grey clouds coming out of the exhaust!!
Finally a West German asked me about my travels and how I could stand the stink of so much burning coal..it dawned on me that the smell was coal..Romania,Bulgaria,Hungry..all of it had that smell.
Maybe Trump really does yearn for communism..he likes the women?
 
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Unchained said:
Are counting air quality as weather?
I remember thinking it was funny people from different parts of LA commenting about changes from one neighborhood to another. There was a semi famous race in Orange county know as the Ziggurat. It was this office park crit held on a pretty regular basis. The area was a vital records building for the government so after @430 or 5 on Friday until @8am Monday you could do lots of stuff on wide streets,race,motorpace, RC cars,ect. People would praise the area for good racing air!!!
I went to races in Thousand Oaks, Commerce, Long Beach and other places each with waaaay different air quality and visibility!!
I did a circuit race in Pomona. The course was over some downtown streets. @3-4 North,South and an equal or so number of East West for a really big 4 corners. So maybe 10-15sq blocks.
The part that was always talked about..a breakaway got off. As you were racing you could look down different streets and try to see the break and the pack chasing..but not easy!!!
It was hard to see 4-6 blocks because the air was so Orange Grey dirty,smoggy..
On a hot summer day..mid afternoon you could lose sight of cyclists 4 blocks from you because the air was thick enough to block your view.
Racing near the coast was always the preference..Riverside and San Bernardino counties were hit or miss..seeing the pictures of places in China or Africa were you can't see 100ft used to be a California reality.
Phoenix and Denver are both in bowl valleys and in years past when flying in or out by airplane you could see a dark dirty blanket of schit, covering the cities.
Everyone working together has made a huge difference. Better cleaner gas and cars..emissions testing and public awareness..huge improvement.
Trump saying we can go back..is really really fvcking, stupid.

I had an obsession to race on velodromes in the East. I went to a couple of towns in East Germany to see if I could find where Olaf Ludwig got his chops.. I remember the puzzle..what was that smell.? There were 2-cycle cars that looked like shrunk 55 Chevys ..smoke all over, motorcycles and scooters all w grey clouds coming out of the exhaust!!
Finally a West German asked me about my travels and how I could stand the stink of so much burning coal..it dawned on me that the smell was coal..Romania,Bulgaria,Hungry..all of it had that smell.
Maybe Trump really does yearn for communism..he likes the women?
Only speaking for myself, I was not counting air quality as weather. I was just saying that even people who don't believe in climate change still want clear air to breath so you can convince them that less pollution is good for their lungs/health.
 
Two mass shootings in less than 24 hours..30 dead and counting..First one in ElPaso wrote a 'manifesto' that sang the praises of trump the racist..what a surprise..this won't be the last shooting at the behest of trump..
The manifesto, a document appearing on the online message board 8chan before the shooting rampage, spoke about an “invasion” of Latino immigrants and noted that the writer agreed with the shooter who killed scores of Islamic worshipers in March at a mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand.
Police were investigating photographs of the suspect with an assault-style rifle that were posted on social media. A Twitter account that appeared to belong to Crusius was shut down Saturday evening. Tweets on the account had praised President Trump and, in particular, his effort to build a wall along the U.S.- Mexico border
He 'condemns', 'thoughts and prayers'(I doubt this scum bag has ever 'prayed')..but secretly he knows this crap revs his white supremacist base....

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/el-paso-walmart-shooting-today-police-confirm-active-shooter-cielo-vista-mall-today-2019-08-03-live-updates/

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/dayton-ohio-shooting-nine-people-killed-mass-shooting-today-2019-08-04-live-stream-updates/
 
For those outside the US our court system is beyond understanding. For most people in the US it doesn't make sense. You buy a cup of coffee at McDonald's,spill it on yourself,2 or 3 blocks from the purchase and sue in court claiming the coffee was dangerously hot and get a huge cash payment,not for being clumsy or careless, no instead McDonald's is responsible for your coffee drinking.
But we have other famous court rulings about defective products. Products that because of bad design or materials injure or kill people. Products that when used as the manufacturer intends you end up disfigured or dead.
Most Americans know the Ford Pinto..w it's exploding gas tank..or a Ford Bronco that had weight distribution issues that caused deadly rollover accidents. We are just now seeing opiods in court,when used as prescribed,you end up a junkie or dead.
Sometimes you get a weird supply chain disaster,like Takata air bags..randomly injuring or killing people driving in cars and trucks, not always needing to be involved in an accident to die.
All the time, the court system determining that the makers and design users are on some level responsible for selling a deadly,dangerous defective product.
One line of products that goes pretty much untouchable in our society and legal system is guns.
We can see by the death count that this is a dangerous and detective product. Kids and others accidentally killed. Many states it's harder to buy a Playboy,Hustler magazine than a ammunition magazine for a weapon. Lots of states in the US, you can't buy a beer,a pack of Marlboro or tin of Copenhagen but an assault rifle is no problem.
Gun manufacturers do have bad verdicts on some defects..maybe a overly sensitive trigger or faulty safety switch.
Americans need to look at dead kids in church,school,shopping for clothes,going to the movies. Were they killed by a vape pen? A Super Soaker?
We need to figure out why attending a garlic festival,or country music concert or dancing or dinner results in death when mixed with this line of products. We need to protect our kids from a public health emergency..these products have an impact on public health.
We need to look at simple math..what is killing our children and young people? If it's a product that is sold..we need to get it off the market or at the very least get some kind of safety standards in place.
Hard to believe that lawn darts are outlawed but AR-15s are not...wtf
 
Hard to that there is a wait and see period for our President and his party. Kids in the United States are gunned down while shopping for back to school stuff and they need to wait to see what color and country the children are from to see if they give a fvck.
 
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Unchained said:
Hard to that there is a wait and see period for our President and his party. Kids in the United States are gunned down while shopping for back to school stuff and they need to wait to see what color and country the children are from to see if they give a fvck.
trump the dope blames the media for HIS hateful, bigoted, racist rhetoric...when all they do is record the crap that spews outta his fat mouth and report it.
ANY person in the US won't believe this or mulvaney's lap dog comments on Sunday..oh wait a minute..the 36% or so, white, under/poorly educated, males..ya know the white nationalists..do believe it..

trump the dope wants to tie 'better background checks' to immigration?? Hmm, means that fewer knuckedragging trumpistas will get guns? That'll never happen..another BS trump TV moment.
 
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ChewbaccaDefense said:
nevele neves said:
aphronesis said:
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aphronesis said:
I wonder how you're actually defining "socialism" here, or what you might really know about California as a whole. It's a largely deregulated and privatized state where most governmental civic intervention is minimal, belated and hamstrung by preexisting legislation and bureaucratic efforts designed to keep things functional largely for private interests.
Things like the california land use regulations, state taxes and the latest state health care rules. The company I work for has moved all of its offices and services out of California. They moved them to nevada, texas and florida.

The largest hurdle our company had with california was with the state regulations.
Oh, so health and land resources should be at the discretion of business?
The limits at which California goes makes it useless to own private property. Regulation within reason is not a problem but over regulation just drives business and people away.
What does the current migration in and out of California look like for business (all sectors)? The state to state migration of family's is also a very bad trend.
That's just stupid. I live here and that isn't even close to reality...
In 1998 Stephen Hearst proposed a project near San Simeon, CA that would have included a Dude Ranch, golf course, hotels and restaurants. A "coastal destination." His family had owned the land since 1865. The California Coastal Commission lost their mind over this and filed one lawsuit after another to shut it down.

Eventually Hearst realized the land had been rendered worthless by CA Coastal Commission and various other conservation groups. It clearly could never be developed. So, Stephen settles with the State for a few pennies on the dollar of the land's actual value.

So don't tell me there's functioning private property rights in the State of California.
 
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red_flanders said:
California has more taxes and regulations than most other states, and this certainly does cause some businesses to move elsewhere. The only question is whether the regulations and taxes are a net positive or negative on the states livability and the overall happiness and success of the people of the state. Certainly there are some obtuse regulations which exist for little reason other than someone mistakenly thought they made sense, and once enacted, they're very hard to remove. Certainly others have protected the state from becoming an infected sewage dump for industry and manufacturing.

This isn't Iowa or Idaho. There is a problem of scale here that simply doesn't apply in other states. With over 30 million people and the 5th largest economy in the world, there are just a lot of people and a lot of economic activity, which has a tremendous impact on the ecology and livability of the state. Why is there so much regulation of auto emissions? Because there are 10x more cars here than in other places. I've lived here long enough to remember having to practice soccer during smog warning days in the 80's and having burning eyes and lungs for weeks afterward. No freakin' thank you, I very much appreciate the pollution regulations and clean air bills we've passed since those days.

The thing is this is a freaking beautiful place, well worth protecting, and well worth erring on the side of over-regulating. If there are those people and businesses that haven't found it worth the cost, I get it. I don't begrudge anyone seeking what they're looking for elsewhere. But for so many of us, the regulations on the whole make the place one of the most beautiful places in the world to live, and one of the most thriving economic forces the world has frankly ever seen. It ain't perfect but the picture the right wingnuts paint of it is a joke. For example:



People are happy here. Are they where you live? Yeah LA can be a shiite hole, and I generally can't stand it. But it's not the whole state by a long shot, and even there, there are amazing places to live, work, and play. There are few places in the country where I'd live, and I'm incredibly lucky to live and work in NOR*CAL.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/growing-number-of-californians-considering-moving-from-state-survey.html
 
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jmdirt said:
red_flanders said:
California has more taxes and regulations than most other states, and this certainly does cause some businesses to move elsewhere. The only question is whether the regulations and taxes are a net positive or negative on the states livability and the overall happiness and success of the people of the state. Certainly there are some obtuse regulations which exist for little reason other than someone mistakenly thought they made sense, and once enacted, they're very hard to remove. Certainly others have protected the state from becoming an infected sewage dump for industry and manufacturing.

This isn't Iowa or Idaho. There is a problem of scale here that simply doesn't apply in other states. With over 30 million people and the 5th largest economy in the world, there are just a lot of people and a lot of economic activity, which has a tremendous impact on the ecology and livability of the state. Why is there so much regulation of auto emissions? Because there are 10x more cars here than in other places. I've lived here long enough to remember having to practice soccer during smog warning days in the 80's and having burning eyes and lungs for weeks afterward. No freakin' thank you, I very much appreciate the pollution regulations and clean air bills we've passed since those days.

The thing is this is a freaking beautiful place, well worth protecting, and well worth erring on the side of over-regulating. If there are those people and businesses that haven't found it worth the cost, I get it. I don't begrudge anyone seeking what they're looking for elsewhere. But for so many of us, the regulations on the whole make the place one of the most beautiful places in the world to live, and one of the most thriving economic forces the world has frankly ever seen. It ain't perfect but the picture the right wingnuts paint of it is a joke. For example:



People are happy here. Are they where you live? Yeah LA can be a shiite hole, and I generally can't stand it. But it's not the whole state by a long shot, and even there, there are amazing places to live, work, and play. There are few places in the country where I'd live, and I'm incredibly lucky to live and work in NOR*CAL.
Good post!

When discussing regulations, especially things that affect air/water, I frequently refer to the air quality in CA. Like you said in the '80s it was way worse than now, because they did something about it. Even if they don't 'get' climate change, they get breathing.

I'm not too sure about the "best", "happiest", etc, cities rankings that are so predominant now.
The thing is that most of the companies leaving were not affecting air and water quality.
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2018/10/09/bay-area-exodus-headquarters-move.html
 
dt's quote that "mental illness and hatred pull the trigger, not the gun" is completely stupid on so many levels. The gun is what determines the number of people killed and/or wounded. True the mentally compromised person is pulling the trigger, but if they can only get off 5-15 rounds the toll will be greatly reduced compared to 100-200 rounds in the same time.

What is up with the repetitive nose inhalations?!
 
Trump had a press conference today that outlines again why he is unfit to hold office. It is not clear that Trump understands live television or that reading someone else's thoughts,unrehearsed ,just doesn't work on every level. Maybe he should use a fireside format w his people. Directors and producers and writers who can help him. Video his statement, get it right after a few takes edit it and then release it to the public. No comments or audiences..
Trump trying to tie these events to immigration in any way is just another vivid look at how phuckt, up he is.and if we needed another, Trump went to golf after the statements about the mass murders.
 
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=stFL09GHDfA


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rvPRaxR7HOE


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sB0wWEFIr50


Is it the job for comedians? Maybe.
If nobody else can get it across to the public.

* The John Oliver video is the show,the monologue has to do with the murders,first few minutes*
It looks like my reply didn't make the migration (yet?) so I'll answer again:
IMO it doesn't matter if its news, a talk show, or a comedian on late night who informs people. As you said, maybe they get to some people better than 'official' news.

We were having lead abatement done on our house and one of the grunts was completely blaming the shootings on video games because that was he was being fed. Seth Meyers was the one who reminded him that the USA isn't the only country with video games.
 
It looks like my reply didn't make the migration (yet?) so I'll answer again:
IMO it doesn't matter if its news, a talk show, or a comedian on late night who informs people. As you said, maybe they get to some people better than 'official' news.

We were having lead abatement done on our house and one of the grunts was completely blaming the shootings on video games because that was he was being fed. Seth Meyers was the one who reminded him that the USA isn't the only country with video games.
I love the video games idea that this is what has influenced violent behaviour and gave a generation the idea that shooting and killer others is the solution to your problems - such a cop out...
Perhaps Hitler lost playing FIFA (Bayern Munich v Hopel Tel Aviv was the match?)... wonder what Vlad the Impaler was playing on his xbox...
blame everything but don't look in the mirror
 
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It looks like my reply didn't make the migration (yet?) so I'll answer again:
IMO it doesn't matter if its news, a talk show, or a comedian on late night who informs people. As you said, maybe they get to some people better than 'official' news.

We were having lead abatement done on our house and one of the grunts was completely blaming the shootings on video games because that was he was being fed. Seth Meyers was the one who reminded him that the USA isn't the only country with video games.
Or mentally ill people(altho being part of a hateful ideology, like the KKK, white supremacist organizations, other 'pro trump' groups isn't being mentally ill)..Germany has a YUGE resurgence of neo nazi groups(who love trump, BTW)..the difference is a ton 'o guns in the US...trump shows every day he is an incompetent dummy...yet saw a guy yesterday, who couldn't even get into the front door of mar-o-lago, with a trump hat.
Nice side tshirt that showed off his muffin top fat..baggy cutoff jeans under his butt...a member of the deplorables...he may be an idiot, but he's THEIR idiot.
 

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