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Busted I think you missed a little he is not THEIR idiot he is OUR idiot. Trump is staying pretty much on message,he was and is a racist a early recorded accounts back to the 70's. "Grab em' by the pu$$y"..again nothing new,look at his track record w females pretty consistent. Economics..steaks,airlines,football teams,cycling events,universities, casinos..and an ocean of charge offs to the tune of three quarters of a billion dollars in bankruptcy court.
as democracy and economies start for stormy weather, Trump is our Captain. Everything he does is destructive on some level, everything from the endangered species act, relationships with our citizens and the world to getting lots of America to say.. "Blank(racism,sexism,lying,ect) is OK as long as the economy is OK".
People being fat ,old ,wearing funny jeans or a red MAGA hat is not the problem, the root is the way people think.
watch Trump go town to town..or most recent in El Paso and Dayton..that was not a disgrace as much as it was disturbing. The guy is obsessed with himself. Horrible.
The idea that our President would accuse an ex President of murder and everything is business as usual..we are really sick as a country. Mass murder everywhere you look opioid,gun violence,suicide and we have accepted it as our normal.
 
Busted I think you missed a little he is not THEIR idiot he is OUR idiot. Trump is staying pretty much on message,he was and is a racist a early recorded accounts back to the 70's. "Grab em' by the pu$$y"..again nothing new,look at his track record w females pretty consistent. Economics..steaks,airlines,football teams,cycling events,universities, casinos..and an ocean of charge offs to the tune of three quarters of a billion dollars in bankruptcy court.
as democracy and economies start for stormy weather, Trump is our Captain. Everything he does is destructive on some level, everything from the endangered species act, relationships with our citizens and the world to getting lots of America to say.. "Blank(racism,sexism,lying,ect) is OK as long as the economy is OK".
People being fat ,old ,wearing funny jeans or a red MAGA hat is not the problem, the root is the way people think.
watch Trump go town to town..or most recent in El Paso and Dayton..that was not a disgrace as much as it was disturbing. The guy is obsessed with himself. Horrible.
The idea that our President would accuse an ex President of murder and everything is business as usual..we are really sick as a country. Mass murder everywhere you look opioid,gun violence,suicide and we have accepted it as our normal.
All can be summed up with this:

According to Arthur Brooks, President of the American Enterprise Institute, we don’t have an anger problem in America. We have a contempt problem. Contempt is defined as the “conviction of the utter worthlessness of another human being.” It’s the opposite of respect.
https://www.gottman.com/blog/gottmans-four-rules-for-a-better-america/
 
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If you’re interested in Bernie, here’s a long interview with him on the Joe Rogan show:

View: https://youtu.be/2O-iLk1G_ng


Nothing new but nice to hear a candidate speak at length. Good format.
I enjoyed it. The longer form interviews Rogan is doing with the candidates are great and important.

The one with Cornell West was even better, even if hes not a candidate. I'm sure some of the regular posters here would enjoy it since Cornell is quite left wing.

Unfortunately, I think we are speaking to ourselves here Red. The Echo Chamber won't watch Rogan, even if he interviews someone they like. He is of course an obvious Nazi and anyone who watches him is alt right. He had people with different opinions on.
 
I enjoyed it. The longer form interviews Rogan is doing with the candidates are great and important.

The one with Cornell West was even better, even if hes not a candidate. I'm sure some of the regular posters here would enjoy it since Cornell is quite left wing.

Unfortunately, I think we are speaking to ourselves here Red. The Echo Chamber won't watch Rogan, even if he interviews someone they like. He is of course an obvious Nazi and anyone who watches him is alt right. He had people with different opinions on.
I hadn’t realized he’d done others yet, so went back and searched and found this edit of the Andrew Yang episode. I like this one because Rogan comes at this UBI idea thinking it’s bullshite, but lets Yang walk through the whole thing and you see why he’s done a 180 on it. I had a similar reaction and just sent it to my wife, who doesn’t get where Yang is coming from either. Rogan has the ability at times to make things relatable to a lot of people.

View: https://youtu.be/hS9wOdenEys

I didn’t realize people had such a reaction to Rogan. He seems like a good, really curious guy, who at times isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed (yet at other times really quite perceptive), but always interested and willing to listen and learn. I like him, though I think he listens too much to some people I find to be flat out wrong or even disingenuous. Not actually a big Cornell West fan, but that’s more a matter of his speaking style than substance. Comes across as a bit much for my tastes, but he and Rogan seem to get on well.

Didn’t really get your other comments, but was searching for “Joe Rogan candidate interviews” to see who else he’d done, and came across this headline.

“If You Think Bernie Shouldn’t Have Gone on Joe Rogan, or Fox News, You’re Leaving Fellow Americans for Dead”

Wait...what? Joe Rogan and Fox News have exactly...what...in common? Bizarre. Hell of a read, I had no idea. I thought you were being a bit melodramatic, but there it is. That this article needed to be written is actually stunning to me.

He also has an enormous, diverse audience that includes the kind of people who may be politically disaffected and even vulnerable to alt-right messaging. Again, if you believe these people are beyond reach, then it’s easy to argue that Bernie’s appearance with Rogan—an appearance which has netted 4.4 million views already, as of this writing—somehow normalizes alt-right figures who have sat in the same chair. But if you believe that an authentic, directed message can reach many of Rogan’s listeners, then Sanders’ appearance easily outweighs those considerations, and the decision to join Rogan becomes a no-brainer.
And here I was, listening to his podcast on occasion because he has a lot of good (and terrible) guests and lets them talk, and gets a ton out of them. I just, you know, don’t listen when he has a troll like Milo on. Go figure.

To quote your avatar, “There you have it folks, you can see how far the termites have spread, and how long and well they’ve dined...”
 
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Hitch is being melodramatic and hyperbolic as per usual. Maybe he can share a post where anybody here suggested that Rogan was a Nazi for starters. I won't hold my breath.

It is interesting that the article posted above does not actually cite one example of someone criticizing Sanders for going on Rogan's show. Like what does the following actually mean? Arose from where or from whom? Randos on twitter?
A similar narrative arose this week when Bernie Sanders appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience, an audio and video podcast that is among the world's most popular, and yields tens of millions of listens every month. Rogan is not a Fox News conservative, by any means, but he has hosted figures like Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, Steven Crowder, and Ben Shapiro without condemning them.
Also Gavin McInnis.

What do Fox news viewers and Rogan's viewers have in common? I am going to go out on a limb and suggest 'whiteness'. Vastly different age brackets of course. I think Joe Rogan is a funny comedian and enjoy his commentary on MMA. I don't listen to his podcast because I feel his views really personify the pseudo intellectual BS marketed as deep thinking that characterizes the INTELLECTUAL DARK WEB and that mostly only makes sense to people who are high. JMO of course and YMMV.
 
It is interesting that the article posted above does not actually cite one example of someone criticizing Sanders for going on Rogan's show. Like what does the following actually mean? Arose from where or from whom? Randos on twitter?
I think that's a good point, I didn't look around to see if that was a valid critique. That said, a very quick google search turned up a fair bit, and yes, a lot of it is on twitter. But that's where a great deal of the shouting down of anyone with a different opinion lives, so I think that's a fair source for such a critique. One quick example here. Fairly nuts.

Also Gavin McInnis.

What do Fox news viewers and Rogan's viewers have in common? I am going to go out on a limb and suggest 'whiteness'. Vastly different age brackets of course. I think Joe Rogan is a funny comedian and enjoy his commentary on MMA. I don't listen to his podcast because I feel his views really personify the pseudo intellectual BS marketed as deep thinking that characterizes the INTELLECTUAL DARK WEB and that mostly only makes sense to people who are high. JMO of course and YMMV.
Yep, I'm white. I hope that's OK. I don't think Rogan thinks he's that smart, but if you don't care for him that's no sweat for me. I think he's a good interviewer. Another rando on Twitter summed it up for me here.

Unsurprisingly, you'll see the replies to that tweet immediately light up Rogan and the tweeter because Rogan interviews...anyone. I don't think the concerns about him softballing obvious wingnuts are without merit, but what's the alternative? Act like half the country doesn't exist? Not for me. YMMV.
 
I don't think Joe Rogan is a Nazi or white nationalist. His format makes him a little pompous but he gives people a chance. One thing fascinating about his show(s) he doesn't drive the conversation 100% of the time. Watch him interview Lance or other athletes or celebrities who enter the studio w egg on their face. This type of conversation with Bernie Sanders,Ben Shapiro or dastardly Donald is good for everyone.
*even if Rogan is Nazi on some level,he is providing a public service for non Nazis alike
 
I don't think Joe Rogan is a Nazi or white nationalist. His format makes him a little pompous but he gives people a chance. One thing fascinating about his show(s) he doesn't drive the conversation 100% of the time. Watch him interview Lance or other athletes or celebrities who enter the studio w egg on their face. This type of conversation with Bernie Sanders,Ben Shapiro or dastardly Donald is good for everyone.
*even if Rogan is Nazi on some level, he is providing a public service for non Nazis alike
Uh... o_O

Agree on him not driving the conversation. That's what I like, he lets the guests speak. He's quite disarming for them and I see them open up more on his show than in other formats. The long format lends itself to this as well I think.
 
I think that's a good point, I didn't look around to see if that was a valid critique. That said, a very quick google search turned up a fair bit, and yes, a lot of it is on twitter. But that's where a great deal of the shouting down of anyone with a different opinion lives, so I think that's a fair source for such a critique. One quick example here. Fairly nuts.



Yep, I'm white. I hope that's OK. I don't think Rogan thinks he's that smart, but if you don't care for him that's no sweat for me. I think he's a good interviewer. Another rando on Twitter summed it up for me here.

Unsurprisingly, you'll see the replies to that tweet immediately light up Rogan and the tweeter because Rogan interviews...anyone. I don't think the concerns about him softballing obvious wingnuts are without merit, but what's the alternative? Act like half the country doesn't exist? Not for me. YMMV.
That guy has less than 5K followers. Who cares? The people responding to the other tweet are all randos too. What next, are we going to say the 'narrative' is driven by youtube comment sections.

What a pointless comment. You are way better than that. Seriously.

I can see the argument that Rogan gives these nuts enough rope to hang themselves with. I think it was illustrative that he was ridiculed by his viewers for not going hard enough at the twitter CEO, so he brought him back to grill him about 'conservative bias' on social media to satisfy his base audience. So, he can push back on people when it is in his interests. Cable news in 2016 mainly was putting microphones in front of people saying ridiculous things to make money. I don't really expect better from Rogan, nor is he obligated to. I have no problem with people going on these shows (see below). I am way more skeptical that they have any lasting benefit.

I would be very curious to know how they pick the audience for that kind of thing. The first question was from a student, who someone on twitter outed as being an organizer for Turning Points USA. After Bernie's Q&A, Fox had on Art Laffer who claimed that electing Sanders would cause another Great Recession. He also indicated that Obama caused the last one in 2007 (yes, he really said that). I can understand why the DNC is not giving FNC a debate, but if the appearance helps Sanders pick up a few votes in the primaries, it might be a smart decision by him.
 
I don't care or pay attention to how many Twitter followers one guy has, it was simply the first comment I found out of a great many, meant as an example. I don't need a critique to be in article or blog format to hear it. I guess I'm struggling to understand your criticism of Twitter "Randos", as it's precisely the mob on Twitter that shouts down anyone they don't like. I don't love that this format has influence, but it does. If you don't regard Twitter with any respect, I don't blame you, but I don't agree that it's meaningless–or however you would characterize it, don't wan to put words in your mouth. It affects people when they get attacked on that platform if it's their main channel to communicate out.

Interestingly hard to find anyone getting worked up about the left-wing guests he hosts. Seems to be largely a phenomenon of the left to want to shut everyone up. I don't think it's a good strategy.

For me the biggest critique of Rogan is his propensity to listen to conspiracy theories of all kinds. He's as someone put it well, "chaotic neutral" for all you old D&D fans. It's dumb.

That hardly negates the original point that he's giving candidates long-format interviews which are well worth listening to, since we're not getting anyone else who's giving them time and room to make their points. I appreciate his format. I'm able to listen and critique both him and the interviewee, and not fear that others can't do the same. I like people who provide platforms. I like open discussion. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
 
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I think this is an interesting example of where I get kind of confused by the reaction to Rogan.

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/08/bernie-sanders-joe-rogan-experience-podcast

There is a clear difference between appearing alongside a right-leaning host in order to agree with their right-leaning views and doing so with the goal of persuading their audience. Despite Rogan’s politics, the Vermont senator arguably got a fairer hearing than he typically gets from major cable networks and, with more than an hour at his disposal, he was able to use the interview decisively to his advantage — delivering his key ideas and tying them together near the episode’s end with a pro–working class message contrasting his politics with Trump’s:
So while the substance here is on point, that it's great for Bernie to go on the Rogan show (though I'm still not sure why it wouldn't be), the idea that Rogan is a right-winger is amazing to me. I could be wrong, but he seems very left on just about everything but gun control. I think this is just an assumption some folks make because he will interview just about anyone, left or right. If you engage with the right, you must be right wing, or something to that effect. Bizarre IMO.

Anyway, who cares. It's great that he's doing these interviews.
 
Owning a gun,watching MMA, or wearing a ball cap of T-shirt from the NRA doesn't make you right wing of worse. Sure stereotypes save time but are not all that accurate. I also reject \question the premise that Rogan's guest list leans right,as any kind of majority of those who sit for interviews.
Hell even Tucker Carlson and Jenene Piro are correct from time to time.
we may want to try and find a voice for most Americans. Example..background checks. The normal population @80+% want checks. Mouthpieces on the right start yelling about the slippery slope and confiscation and un patriotic erosion of the 2nd amendment.
The liberal left lip service want to outlaw almost everything,see the world covered with WD40 and is in need of a nanny for everything. Including if a guy says " nice dress " or " your hair looks good " after you get it cut..
Somewhere in the middle is a place we need to get to...and fast.

As many people know I reside part time in Mexico. When the crazy shot up the Wal-Mart in El Paso,he drove there because of the proximity to the US border. He did recon to investigate the presence of lots of brown people speaking Spanish. My Wal-Mart in Imperial Beach fits his profiling criteria. There is also a Home Depot in the Saturn Blvd complex. So the next person that goes Mexican hunting may pick the location were I frequently buy dog and cat food. It may change some things for people but if I need screws or trash bags I shop where it is convenient wo regard that people from a right fringe want to murder my fellow shoppers and possibly me.
* I have had this happen 2 times in 2 weeks*
People will be speaking Spanish,as I approach,they switch automatically to English..I make a joke in Spanish about speaking whatever language that they want is perfectly fine and not dangerous,even in front of a fat white man. To think that my presence could scare someone is something I deal with being fairly ugly,but to have people anticipate racism is sad..deeply sad.
* I own a Taurus Curve and it will always still be for camping..
 
Rogan endorsed Ron Paul in 2012 and Gary Johnson in 2016. I don't see how the term 'right-leaning' is all that misleading in his case. Obviously, his views are mixed in many respects, and he clearly is not a reactionary redhat like Hannity et al.

I don't care or pay attention to how many Twitter followers one guy has, it was simply the first comment I found out of a great many, meant as an example. I don't need a critique to be in article or blog format to hear it. I guess I'm struggling to understand your criticism of Twitter "Randos", as it's precisely the mob on Twitter that shouts down anyone they don't like. I don't love that this format has influence, but it does. If you don't regard Twitter with any respect, I don't blame you, but I don't agree that it's meaningless–or however you would characterize it, don't wan to put words in your mouth. It affects people when they get attacked on that platform if it's their main channel to communicate out.

Interestingly hard to find anyone getting worked up about the left-wing guests he hosts. Seems to be largely a phenomenon of the left to want to shut everyone up. I don't think it's a good strategy.

For me the biggest critique of Rogan is his propensity to listen to conspiracy theories of all kinds. He's as someone put it well, "chaotic neutral" for all you old D&D fans. It's dumb.

That hardly negates the original point that he's giving candidates long-format interviews which are well worth listening to, since we're not getting anyone else who's giving them time and room to make their points. I appreciate his format. I'm able to listen and critique both him and the interviewee, and not fear that others can't do the same. I like people who provide platforms. I like open discussion. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
How many people on twitter constitute a mob? How many are even unique individuals expressing earnest opinions, rather than bots or coordinated accounts or trolls? Twitter allows people to have opinions. It can be used responsibly or not. Too often it is used to spotlight bad arguments, because it is rife with them. I have not heard a single person criticize Bernie for going on Rogan, but I don't doubt that there were people out there who did. I just think it is a really small cross-section, which is amplified by twitter cherrypicking, which the author didn't even bother to do.

That quote could be taken verbatim from the musings of Donald Trump Jr. You can't seriously believe that. The right really loves free speech especially kneeling during the anthem.

I don't think a single person has said here that his interviews with Sanders or Yang are not worth listening to. Especially because they were specifically with Rogan as Hitch suggested. I mentioned my personal feelings about Rogan in general terms. But I agree that they are probably a good resource if you want to know more about the two candidates. CNN has been giving hour long town halls to almost every Democrat with a pulse. Bennet was on for quite awhile this morning to talk about issues like gun control and the fillibuster. The format of the debates so far have made them practically useless, but I don't think that Rogan has cornered the market on political gabfests.
 
He's a libertarian with socially progressive views for the most part. Here, he outlines it himself.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBwXOEuZYB4

The issue is that people are calling him right-leaning in the context of a discussion of how yes, Bernie should actually appear on shows with right-leaning hosts. One, it's dumb because they just think he's right leaning because someone else somewhere said he is (he's not) and two, it's a comment I'd not care about except that it comes in the context of the very stupid discussion of whether Bernie should have appeared.

I didn't say anyone HERE is objecting to his interviews. Thought that was obvious. The CNN town halls aren't worthless, but they are so much more posturing than the Rogan interviews where people really get into policy detail. I don't know if he's cornered the market but I find them better by a long shot than anything else I've heard.
 
You agreed with Hitch who did say that. If you misconstrued his reference to the 'echo chamber' above, fair enough. It was an oblique reference, but definitely referring to posters here.

I can't watch videos right now, but will take a look later. I do like Rogan's comedy. But like Carolla, it is in spite of their politics (however they might want be classified on the spectrum).
 
You agreed with Hitch who did say that. If you misconstrued his reference to the 'echo chamber' above, fair enough. It was an oblique reference, but definitely referring to posters here.
If you took "Didn’t really get your other comments, but was searching for “Joe Rogan candidate interviews” to see who else he’d done, and came across this headline." as me saying someone HERE is objecting to his interviews, you're really, really reaching. And wrong. But I'm not here enough to know, maybe some folks have. No idea. But I specifically didn't comment on that.

I can't watch videos right now, but will take a look later. I do like Rogan's comedy. But like Carolla, it is in spite of their politics (however they might want be classified on the spectrum).
They're both pretty funny, and both pretty libertarian. It's starting to seem like many on the left confuse that with right-leaning. I also wonder if that's because libertarians are actually for free speech. Wish I didn't feel that way about my compatriots on the left, but damn, you sure do see a lot of people on the left trying to suppress speech. Corolla I tend to find leans to the right, is more of a know-it-all, less thoughtful, less curious, if probably smarter in terms of pure IQ. Rogan has a ton more emotional intelligence.

I saw someone on Twitter refer to him as "chaotic neutral" for you D&D fans. I thought that was actually a pretty good way to put it, though if pressed on policy he does run socially progressive.
 
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No, it was the 'I thought you were being a bit melodramatic, but there it is' line. And you upvoted his whole comment, which referred to posters, but whatever.....

Carolla is really right leaning. No two ways about it. I've listened enough to his podcast to determine that, unlike with Rogan's. "I guess I would be Republican, in the sense that I want a secure border, I'm not into the welfare state, I'm not into all those freebie lunch programs. It just kind of demeans people." In his own words. He is working with Dennis Prager of PragerU which speaks volumes too. I think maybe some are mistaking pro-marijuana legalization and pro-LGBTQ as being on the left.
 
If you're going to extrapolate specific intent from me upvoting a post...I'm not sure what to say.

I don't care about Adam Carolla one way or another, but I'll listen to what he has to say. Would love to get a beer with him or Rogan. I don't care what Rogan's politics are, but he's way left on UBI, socialized medicine, LGBTQ rights (not a left stance, really?) and a ton more. He's right on other things. I am also generally very left, but right about a few things. I would think anyone who didn't lean right on some issues isn't thinking that hard, but it's beside the point.

It doesn't matter. He should interview everyone, no matter what part of the spectrum they're from. We should all be talking to people from across the spectrum and learning from them, and hearing their ideas. The crazies self-identify. Most people aren't crazy. Lots of people I strongly disagree with generally, often have great points about some topics. So I'll just say this again.

It's great that he's doing these interviews.
 
Grrmmmph.

You said, "I think maybe some are mistaking pro-marijuana legalization and pro-LGBTQ as being on the left."

To which I responded, "not a left stance, really?"

Obviously it's a left stance. I was quite surprised to read you thought some were "mistaking" it "as being on the left". I'm either mis-reading what you wrote or you wrote something confusing. Or I did.

Maybe just make your macro point about Rogan and Bernie. I don't think parsing out one another's posts is getting anywhere. Thanks!
 
Ok, that makes more sense. I read the parenthetical wrong.

Having a few leftist stances doesn't cancel out all the others that are right leaning. Carolla was just on Tucker Carlson tonight. As you noted, most voters are a collection of conflicting ideological positions. Trump is also nominally pro-LGBTQ. Neither is on the left.


if Rogan has all these leftist positions, it is a bit curious that he backed Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. Doesn't seem like the ideal route toward socialized medicine.

Sanders is struggling to expand his base. It was a good move on his part.
 
Adam Carolla has been funny over the years. On Loveline he was often a genius. On KROQ as part of Kevin&Bean..again pee your pants funny. He did a character named Mr.Bircham..a high school shop teacher and Vietnam veteran..any time a student would have troubles, teen pregnancy, drug addiction, family strife..he would suggest making a cutting board or other projects on the lathe.
when a young African American girl asks him for advice he suggests making a hardwood salad bowl set..when the girl is completely confounded by the stupid advice..Mr.Bircham(Carolla) goes into a PTSD rant about Charlie in the rice paddy,and how being a pregnant 15yo in high school is easy stuff..
another easy to find frequent story for Carolla is about his family,completely fvcked, up dysfunctional. And his test date for the fire department. Adam has an amusing story about being a construction grunt, cleaning and shoveling..hard labor. A few years roll by..he is called to sit for the firefighter exam and he discovers that racial profiling has people taking the test w him after waiting weeks or months..he explains in comic fashion how he really doesn't see "white privilege" in his own life experience.
If you listen to the details of what he says in joke and seriousness..he is not a huge Trump supporter.
The short version..he is a Los Angeles high school educated construction worker who got a break in radio and he knows..deep down that the stars crossed and he is a lucky guy..
Jimmy Kimmel has a similar life start..made the most of being in the right place at the right time when an opportunity happened
 
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This thread is an an echo chamber...so what most of the frequent posters have similar views. True, there isn't a lot of discussion about key points because we agree, but there is value in that as well. There used to be a few posters who tried to make it lively, but since their objective was stirring the pot, their content wasn't compelling IMO. I admittedly argued with them purely for the entertainment of arguing with them.

That being said, I have listened to Joe for many years, both his stand up and his various casts. Most of the time I find him entertaining and funny, sometimes I learn something...all good.
 

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