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Archibald,I agree with part of your outlook,warm fuzzy f feel good BS is useless.
a simple straightforward partial solution:
Universal background checks.
This would include a database, so far the NRA and others in the gun lobby have background check data kept on paper,no central computer electronically transmitted data is available. Current process has participating gun sellers submit their request and the government never responds or responds long after the prescribed waiting period.
Basic safety training and standards.
Anybody buying a gun or ammunition would need to present a Gun Safety Card for the purchase,like you do for a bottle of wine or whisky. Presenting a valid ID that is similarly required for a pack of cigarettes.
mandatory prosecution for gun crime involvement.
If a weapon you own is used in the commission of a crime,you are subject to a non negotiable year in jail. Like the Sandy Hook example. If the shooter gets a gun,ammo or support from someone else,that responsible person goes to jail.
Safe Zone laws..
Get caught a gun in a school,preschool,airport or hospital. 5 year minimum.
If those non feel good measures don't have an impact on gun violence,keep those and add additional safeguards until numbers decline.

Also don't use weapons,like nuclear bombs against tropical storms and other weather events.
I'm not convinced by the penalty threat suggested above as an actual deterrent - the threat of jail time has little to no effect, and this has been shown time and time again.
Likewise, while the background checks and waiting periods sound great in theory, weren't there two of the more famous recent mass shooters through those systems without raising any flags? Hell, wasn't the florida nightclub guy on an FBI list at some point, then dropped off it before doing his thing?
Put them in place by all means, especially licencing, but dont' expect any instant results, or for the crims to come to that party

I think you catch the nail on the head in your last sentence - that thought process to use weapons to solve an issue.
As jmdirt mentions above about it being more socially acceptable to hit/punch someone, that you have an issue with, back in the 80's. Hell, I got bullied at school. I knew where my father's rifle was, and where the bullets were. But, never did I think that I should take them to high school and shoot up the bunch of ar$h0les that were doing it... It's that thought process that now seems to be the more [socially?] acceptable solution to kids having such issues, that I'm interested in. That is where I feel the root cause of much of this is, and therefore where you look for effective solutions.
I grew up with frequent stays on rural property where we took and used my dad's rifle. Was taught to respect that it wasn't a toy, how to handle it and use it safely, as well as what to use it for (mostly rabbit/fox "hunting"/culling)... so is the issue from parenting/education??
Or is that change from the media, as dj hints towards?
 
Likewise, while the background checks and waiting periods sound great in theory, weren't there two of the more famous recent mass shooters through those systems without raising any flags?
So because a system doesn't work for every case it shouldn't be implemented?

Having only two mass shootings would be an improvement, no?
 
Good job arguing a point that I did not make. I don't think anybody doubts that mass shootings are up while crime on the whole is down. Guns per capita has also doubled since the sixties. What is indisputable is that a lot of what ails society now has been around longer than people like Archibald want to admit as some of my chosen anecdotes illustrate. Blaming shifts on millenials' thinking is short sighted imo.
Gotcha, and I should have read the preceding post more closely. Bizarre to suggest your idea isn’t implementable then suggest that changing how people think is the answer.
 
it's not about me not wanting to admit anything - I grew up and went to school in the 80's, and I have no recollection of any school shootings occurring. Would have thought they'd have hit the news here in a big way, in much the same way as they have during the 90's and onwards. I'm not in the US either... But what I do find interesting, is that you had to look them up/google them. I'm working from memory, not google...
But the point is still that there is a large increase in frequency, and a change in the mindset of kids that has facilitated that increase in frequency.
Whether that has a correlation to further shootings as those same kids get older, who knows, but that's not too far from the realm of possibility...
It's that root cause, that I believe is where a good solution lies.
That's not blaming the kids either - it's looking for what's affecting them to think and behave that way over the past 30 years
Shootings did happen and and I mentioned one reason for why you might not recollect them. Media has changed since the 80s. I doubt small school shootings made the evening news in the 80s. Images and videos can be created and disseminated more easily now. Another analogous example is black people getting killed by cops. I don't remember incidents on the news about this phenomenon 30 years ago, but I can guarantee that this didn't start with Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, and LaQuan McDonald. It is a whole lot more visible now because of the media environment.

Please post any evidence you have to back up this claim. It certainly makes for interesting speculation, but I am providing my opinion that you may not have an educated opinion about the minds of young people in a country that you don't have a lot of direct experience with.

I seem to remember a boomer shooting hundreds of people from a hotel in Las Vegas. My main point is that the rot has always been present in all generations. Easy access to firearms provides the kindling to light the fire.
 
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So because a system doesn't work for every case it shouldn't be implemented?

Having only two mass shootings would be an improvement, no?
missed this part, didn't you...
"Put them in place by all means, especially licencing, but dont' expect any instant results, or for the crims to come to that party"

no where have I said it shouldn't be implemented. My point has been about effectiveness (or lack there of) of the solutions.
background checks and 7-day waiting periods have been in force for many years...
 
Shootings did happen and and I mentioned one reason for why you might not recollect them. Media has changed since the 80s. I doubt small school shootings made the evening news in the 80s. Images and videos can be created and disseminated more easily now. Another analogous example is black people getting killed by cops. I don't remember incidents on the news about this phenomenon 30 years ago, but I can guarantee that this didn't start with Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, and LaQuan McDonald. It is a whole lot more visible now because of the media environment.

Please post any evidence you have to back up this claim. It certainly makes for interesting speculation, but I am providing my opinion that you may not have an educated opinion about the minds of young people in a country that you don't have a lot of direct experience with.

I seem to remember a boomer shooting hundreds of people from a hotel in Las Vegas. My main point is that the rot has always been present in all generations. Easy access to firearms provides the kindling to light the fire.
I'm not disputing the info you posted about school shootings in the 80's occuring - only pointed out how it looked from my view point and where I was coming from.
You accused me of not wanting to admit it was going on - hard to admit that when you weren't seeing it in the first place... As I stated, I was working from memory...
I have no idea why none of them were picked up by any Australian media, either. A news story about school shootings would have been big new here, and certainly resonate and stick with any school kid at the time.

I don't believe your poor example of the cops killing black people - only blind Freddy would think that this was a new thing, as if this had never been happening throughout US history...

As for your boomer comment, it pretty much aligns with what I said - "Whether that has a correlation to further shootings as those same kids get older, who knows, but that's not too far from the realm of possibility"
as for the rot being there, it this 'rot' that I have said needs to be addressed to have any sort of decent and successful solution... I don't dispute that there isn't something behind it all, only the way in which people are turning to guns and violence to solve their issues.
 
Don't know how many other western Americans are involved here in tapping in their opinions..growing up in the greater Phoenix area there were things that were different..I didn't discover until my late teens and early adult life.
Bikers..so a measurable amount of greasy guys riding Harleys..some w Peter Fonda style forks..most guys had a visible sidearm. It was part of the - I want to look like a badass.. " people riding in @130+ degree Arizona sun look like dumbass not badass, even w a gun.
many trucks had rear window gun racks fully or loaded with a rifle or two.
In the desert..loads of evidence of shooting..spent plastic shotgun shells,all kinds of things used for targets,cars,signs,old T V sets,bottles,cans and plants. Cactus were everywhere so some being shot on purpose or accident was part of the landscape.
Convenience stores were mostly full service..full service means,beer,wine,all bottled liquor and ammunition and critical printed porn. Circle K,U Totem, Stop n Shop all had drive thru service in which you could get a Penthouse, shotgun shells,some 357 bullets and bottles of brew and booze wo getting out of your vehicle.
Can't remember any mass shootings.
Lighter..the new Dave Chappell,Sticks and Stones on Netflix has some what seems impossible jokes about shootings and raising kids in the mass murder era
 
 
I don't really get any of this. We elect a guy that literally doesn't put his pants on like the rest of us. Doesn't pay his bills like the rest of us. Doesn't grocery shop, no car maintenance seldom drives. Pretty long list of differences.
Farmers,labor,construction workers, truck drivers are all acting a bit surprised that Trump a man who shuttles between Manhattan and golf courses doesn't know anything about farming or working in manufacturing. Trump never claimed to be an expert on student debt so nobody should be surprised when it grows more crippling.
The one real surprise w Trump and Boris Johnson is the letter of the law,the spirit of the law. Both guys see the framework to push everything,everyone because for way too long nobody elected had this level of contempt for the people,processes and principles.
We will have to wait and see for Boris but Trump has been straightforward and sincere..he tells people with words and actions..I don't represent you, I don't find you important or care about you. He says often brutally, I am going to do what I want and I don't care about anybody else. So what.
We will have to wait a bit to see if other branches of government assert the power that they were intended to use for the good of all. With the supreme court in an old age-cancer scare state there is an ever growing chance that Trump will be with us after he is dead or in jail.
Boris coming in w no plan, asking the queen to cut discussion time is way way bold..he has the British in that horrible quandary..Boris drives to a remote location and says " put out or get out and walk" will the Brits pull their pants down and receive a Johnson because they are forced to make a harsh decision?
Changes in both societies demand changes in parliamentary procedures and the constitution.
 
I've been very critical of dt here in the 'echo chamber ':eek: because he is a horrible person and an even more horrible prez. Increasingly though it is apparent that at least part of what makes him so horrible is that he is stupid. Certainly his mental illness hinders him, but the foundation is that he is truly just a stupid person.

His base is made up of people who are one or both of what he is: stupid, rich, or rich and stupid.

But even the low income stupid people have to be questioning why everything in their life costs more don't they? Are they willing to stick with him over guns? Over people who are 'different'? (forest-trees, nose-face). Farmers are starting to get it. Are the manufacturing people still waiting or are they getting it too?
 
One thing all Americans know for absolute certain. We see another mass murder in Texas. A state a attitudes and laws,cultural practices that are all about guns,gun rights.
If people can commit crimes like these in churches,malls,restaura ts, everywhere in Texas,more guns are not the answer. Texas has guns,people who know how to use them. In the heavily armed state the pervasiveness of weapons is very very obviously not a deterrent.
our President meanwhile is in a legal back and forth about insulting drunken stupor speak by a young woman..much more important
 
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Things look pretty grim for America at the moment. Our President is super confused by some basics. About economics and Americans. He says almost daily that China is taking $300-600 billion dollars from the US. This is basic and completely false. Americans buy things period,sure there may exist some anomalies, like Saudi Arabia or some other crazy per capita one off, but for the most part Americans are uber consumers and don't save anything as a culture. In our constant and consistent buying binge Chinese products are in our shopping cart, simply,we buy more schit, than everyone else and have deficits everywhere including our own houses.
Trump's idea that everyone is stealing our money is wrong,we are giving our loot to China happily.
The other real troubling trait from Trump is this all or nothing on every issue. He myopically looks at the US as some kind of island. He says if we pull up the draw bridge and " get back to basics " we can polish ourselves up and lower the drawbridge back down once the rest of the world discovers how much they need us.
If Europe and Asia crash we crash period. There hasn't been any such thing as a U.S. economy in decades..it's a world economy w ultra high levels of interdependence. Trump playing chicken w China is making everyone a loser. Really ugly is the place Trump has got is cornered into.Russia,Russia,Russia!!!sure they put a finger on the scale for Donald..China is taking their finger off..instead letting Trump crash and burn in a foreign influence take down never seen before.
I really hope that Trump has his tiny hands on the chairman's member and is on his stable genius knees doing a deep deep Putin treatment for the sake of our country.
If China waits us out our country will be changed forever, we will never ever ever regain what will be lost..a Trump caused world recession will sink us.
 
Interesting to ponder what the revolution will look like, televised or not.

At a guess, itll be along racial lines, localised, and dependent on racial demographics. New Mexico?
 
New Mexico doesn’t have the right transnational visibility.

I think a lot will depend on the balance between youth and disenfranchised who decide they have little to lose and those who’ve bought the dream and are treading water. They tend to wait around and do nothing but vote saying “it’ll all be different this time.”
 
"Sixty-nine percent of Americans say the state of their personal finances is the same or better than it was two years ago...".

This stat shows that at least 60% of Americans (polled) are blissfully unaware. They were able to finance that new $50K car so their finances are golden. The reality is that everything in their life costs more and they are making relatively less. Is that the same or better?

Everyone at my site has at least MAs and about 1/3 are Docs (not MDs). Everyone is complaining about the higher cost of life (taxes, medical, food, clothing, housing, bike parts... The cost of living goes up 10% and our income goes up 0-2%).
 

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