• We're giving away a Cyclingnews water bottle! Find out more here!

U.S. Politics

Page 2478 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
Erdogan is a criminal and it's no surprise that Donald classified the Kurdish struggle as "crazy tribal nonesence." The Kurds have been the only opposition to ISIS in the region, but they are Marxist. Meanwhile the Saudis and Israel, interesting company, will export fascism throughout a hopelessly enslaved to relgious region.

 
How can you seriously keep writing all that crap you keep posting??
There is a lie by sentence :rolleyes:

"Russia never invaded Ukraine": they did. I don't even know how you can dare say they didn't ...

"Crimea already had a Russian base inside it": yes, because the sovereign country of Ukraine accepted Russia could keep using their military base there. Both countries had an agreement, an agreement recognizing Sebastopol as part of Ukraine and allowing Russia to keep using the base in exchange for an annual lease. In this case, there was consent from Ukraine.

"Crimea voted to be part of Russia": one more half-truth (to be nice). Yes, they did but its' pointless to say that without telling the circumstances of this vote. I'm of the opinion a serious and legitimate referendum would have seen Crimean people choosing Russia over Ukraine. But this referendum has no legitimacy whatsoever since it happened after Russian soldiers invaded Crimea. It has never been Crimea's decision, but Russia's decision all along. Invading a country, having your soldiers in the street, choosing your authorities locally, preventing local minorities to vote (and to be respected), using full propaganda, all of that gave no value whatsoever to the referendum. Russia invaded Crimea and then justified it by a supposed will of people, but the way they did it makes it impossible to know what was the will of the people.

"Not a drop of blood was shed": in Crimea, it's (more or less) correct. Because Ukraine was the adult in the room and prefered not to go fighting. In the eastern part of Ukraine, it's obviously false, there was blood (and still is), all because of Russia's intervention. Without Russia's lies and determination to create trouble, everything would have come to normal soon enough. Proof of it is that the only region which are nowadays not under Kiev's control are the ones Russia invaded. Odessa or Kharkov regions are famously quite Russia-oriented and are huge Russian-speaking regions but still are there today a will of the people there to become independent or to reject Ukraine? Excepted for a few dozen people, there isn't. At all. What is then the difference between Luhansk and Donetsk and Kharkov or Odessa? It can't be what people really thought, so it must have everything to do with the circumstances in which they live (i.e in one case Russia created a war and send his soldiers). Russia created this whole mess, everyone with half a brain can see that.

"unlike the violent coup that overthrew Yanokovich organized by your people": "your people" ok :tearsofjoy:
I suggest you have a look at the chronology first and at the responsabilites of everyone.
You're just parrotting propaganda talking points promoted by the previous administration. No evidence whatsoever to your claims.
I bet you couldn't even place Ukraine on a map.

What this movie and get a clue.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkoOGQnj_aE&t=3s


You won't because you don't want to be proven wrong, because this is the internet where no one admits they're wrong about anything.

Unfortunately you can't accept that you've been lied to all of this time - and not by me.
 
Last edited:
Ghost probably a good guess for both of us..Trump saying that part of what he considers the rationale for his Kurd treatment is that they didn't help us in the invasions and battles at Normandy..Ok I will let that go...Neither did Germany or Japan..but if that is part of Donnie's data set for his actions in 2019 Syria..appears stupid but still he is right..but at the end of 2 of his press conference clusterfcks, he that Turkey and the Kurds didn't help the United States during WWll..that's just wrong.
On a Trump sliding scale were windmills cause cancer or taxes imposed on products help people..I guess it's all relative.
A Kurd is no more a Kurd than a Christian is a Christian..some people homeschool because they are afraid of outside contact. Some use alcohol and hookers..As far as broad spectrum..I would say that comparing on Kurd helping a U.S. Special forces soldier conduct operations against ISIS..may have a slight variation in behavior than someone buying bread in an Istanbul market. Like Christians some go to bareback porn stars while their wife is home caring for their newborn son..while others stand in front of Planned parenthood clinics trying to force their views on others.. Know Christian stuff like bullying a scared teenage girl for fear of climate change consequences. You that version of Donald 's faith were you bully people or degrade them over race,sex,wealth,education,geography or the slightest difference of opinion..that kind of Christianity..
if someone is helping our Troops in the battlefield they are an allie period.
The Kurds willingly took part in the Armenian Genocide. They occupied the homes the Turks eradicated Christians from.
They are nomads that came from Iran. They have no claim to a separate homeland in Syria nor modern day Turkey for that matter.

They will now have to accept the law of the land in Syria and ally with the government and live as Syrian citizens.
 
"As the Romans learned, if you build an empire, sooner or later you’ll get a paranoid crackpot for emperor."
:smile::smile: Brilliant!

Maybe this will help

.
 
Chuck Schumer’s notorious boast about trading “blue-collar Democrats” for “college-educated Republicans” accurately captured the strategy that produced both the Democratic Party’s disastrous 2016 defeat and its limited victory in 2018. But the comment was not just an unusually candid confession of the party’s strategic priorities; it was also a neutral description of a much larger process that began long before Schumer reached the Senate.

Since the 1970s, parties of the left center have bled working-class support all over the industrialized world, with millions of “blue-collar” Democrats, Social Democrats, and Labor voters giving way to a new class of highly educated professionals. Schumer’s own political career, which began at age twenty-three, when he graduated from Harvard Law School and won election to the New York State Assembly in the same year (eat your heart out, Pete Buttigieg!) is just one illustration of this shift. In fact, Schumer-like politicians, and the professional-class voters they represent, have become the active leadership and core constituency within center-left parties from Brooklyn to Berlin to Sydney.

 
Jun 2, 2016
87
9
2,695
You're just parrotting propaganda talking points promoted by the previous administration. No evidence whatsoever to your claims.
I bet you couldn't even place Ukraine on a map.

What this movie and get a clue.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkoOGQnj_aE&t=3s


You won't because you don't want to be proven wrong, because this is the internet where no one admits they're wrong about anything.

Unfortunately you can't accept that you've been lied to all of this time - and not by me.
:tearsofjoy:
Buddy, everything I wrote earlier is facts, i.e. evidence :rolleyes: But obviously, you don't want to engage them since they are what they are, i.e. factual. Instead, you send a video. How unsurprising. Could have been an article too.
People like you are so unable to actually think by themselves and actually engage in a discussion they always prefer to refer to an article/a video/anything thought and done by a third (as if it was some sort of truth and should be taken as authority), that's just sad.

And obviously, then comes the irony "you don't want to be proven wrong because this is the internet where no one admits they're wrong about anything". Couldn't be more true. Just a pity you fail to realize it concerns you directly. (which is the very reason why you deviate the debate with your video)

Another point: I couldn't care less about "the previous administration" since I'm not American. And moreover unlike you, I think by myself thanks. I don't feel the need to have my opinion determined by anyone. (which is also why I'm writting my own opinions, not refering to something someone wrote).
People don't always have the need to align themselves with a side you know. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I watched the video.
It's obviously terribly biaised, but it's fine nonetheless since it's always interesting to listen to the alternative/Russian reading of the events.
The whole problem is they fall short of really announcing their thesis, nothing is really said directly, everything is implicit.
Fact is it's an opinion film, not a neutral documentary, but they still want to keep the appearance it's neutral, which in my book is called dishonesty.
But what exactly is the thesis here? There are three in fact - which are the usual talking points of Russian propaganda unsurprisingly.
  1. Ukrainian nationalism = nazis
  2. Maidan is an American manipulation = the whole Maidan episode has no legitimicacy
  3. Russian-speaking people resisted to this external ingerence and this extremist danger.
Obviously, since it pretends to be neutral, they don't say it directly but it's exactly the message sent in this film.

What is the problem here?

Ukraine is ignored.
Ukrainian people are ignored. Only people which seems to matter in the documentary are Crimean and Eastern Russian-speaking ones. Why is that the vast majority of the Ukrainien population never seemed to matter in this film? Such a one-sided version of the events is ridiculous.
Ukrainian history is ignored at best or failed completely to be taken into consideration by the filmmaker. It's quite symptomatic to hear at the very beginning the narrator speaking of the "liberation" of Ukraine by the USSR. While it may have been true for a part of the Ukrainian population, it hasn't for an enormous part of the population. Missing such a determining element of Ukrainian perceptions shows how ignorant of Ukrainian complex realities this documentary is.
In this documentary, Ukraine is secondary. People look like they are just pawns while radicals and the foreign countries decide.
Such a reading of the events is interesting since it enables the filmmaker to refute any legitimacy to Maidan.
Basically: "Maidan is just an US creation". Unfortunately, such thesis hasn't been backed by actual facts.
  1. The democratically elected representatives of Ukraine supported Yanukovytch's removal (included members of his very own party)
  2. Even though one can discuss if the followed procedure was constitutionnal, fact is the following elections confirmed the legitimacy of the whole thing since the people have clearly confirmed the political direction of the country
  3. Even in Russian-speaking areas, things went back to normal. Odessa and Kharkov regions are still part of Ukraine. In these regions too, post-Maidan Ukraine has been accepted. (the only regions where Maidan has been a problem afterwards has been regions where Russia got directly involved. One could suspect such a correlation might be a causality but who am I to say that :sweatsmile:)
In fine, people have had their say and it's quite clear.

In my opinion, that's the main thing which matters. Simply because I'm a democrat.

On the contrary, I will always loathe people who ignore a democratic decision and more generally the voice of the people and who prefer to write a story where people have just have been manipulated (i.e. "they are stupid").

If you do defend such theories of manipulation, you should be coherent. And then apply that to every other case in the world. By beginning with the USA obviously but without forgetting Crimea. But obviously then it won't fit your narrative.
People like you, like Putin and like this filmmaker, don't care about democracy because seemingly, they don't know what it means

.It's pretty blatant in the case of the film. "Maidan = US staged-coup backed by extremist militias", "Crimea = will of the people". Anyone can realize how incoherent and frankly ridiculous the whole narrative is here. You have to be coherent: you can't do such ridiculous cherry-picking.
Even more when the degree of intervention by a foreign country is even worse in the Crimean case (money, propaganda, military intervention for Crimea against only money and propaganda for Maidan).

Just because the film doesn't even consider what the Ukrainian wanted/did but only see Maidan as created by Americans, it has basically no value at all. And worse anyone who applauds that kind of reading must be coherent and apply that everytime and everywhere. Which brings to the unavoidable conclusion: democracy cannot exist (because people have no real say, they are just manipulated). That's a dangerous one and I will fight anyone which spreads that kind of view.

That been said, no one will deny the USA had their own agenda (that can be criticized) and they acted accordingly (again, the acts in question can also be criticized). But so did Russia (which can also be criticized). And so do every single country in the world (idem).
That's not news, that just how international politics work.
Countries fight for their influence and their interests all over the world. Sometimes they even play dirty.
Money and propaganda are fair.
And eventually the only thing that matters is : how is this external support received by the populations? (again, it should be the main preoccupation for everyone who considers themselves as democrat)
In the Ukrainian case, the outcome has been quite clear: the Western support was wanted by the Ukrainian people. The following elections confirmed that.


More globally, both Russia and the USA (+Europe) wanted to have Ukraine with them. It's the reason of the whole mess.
As a sovereign country, Ukraine should have been able to decide what to do. Europe was more attractive than Russia, which meant that Ukraine would soon be lost by Putin (as with every other free country before). Hence his pressures. Hence the whole troubles (first because Ukrainians had their say; second because Putin didn't consider the Ukrainian say as their say but as an American one - exactly like you and the filmmaker btw).
But since Russia doesn't have any soft power and were losing, they had to resolve to the only thing they know: force. It might have been a victory (they won Crimea and Donbass and any NATO adhesion in the future for Ukraine is dead), but it also a defeat since Russia showed their only weapon is force.

Last point: Another proof of how small countries and their people don't matter at all is the whole argument of the NATO extension.
But if a country wants to join NATO, it is their absolute sovereign right. If the people of Lithuania, Estonia, Poland and so on want to be member, it's their right. It might not please Putin but he has no say whatsoever in such a decision. One should rather wonder why all the countries have felt the need to join such a military alliance. Not one of the previously cited countries has ever been a threat to Russia. The contrary is not true and that is the whole reason why NATO has "expanded".

To conclude on a general note : your whole problem is you don't give a **** about democracy, Putin or the filmmaker don't either.
It's sad you fail to realise that. Your reading of the Ukrainian events doesn't take into consideration Ukraine while it should be the main thing that matters (and way more than any game Americans or Russians can have)
 
Jun 2, 2016
87
9
2,695
The Kurds willingly took part in the Armenian Genocide. They occupied the homes the Turks eradicated Christians from.
They are nomads that came from Iran. They have no claim to a separate homeland in Syria nor modern day Turkey for that matter.

They will now have to accept the law of the land in Syria and ally with the government and live as Syrian citizens.
And again you show how little you care about people.
Who are you to decide whether the Kurds can have their own homeland or not?

Their actions in the past do exist (and they aren't necessarily nice as you say) but they are irrevelant in matters of today's situation.

Kurds feel themselves as Kurds more than anything. Sure there are regions where Kurds live and where people are fine with the country they live in (cf some regions of Turkey), but they are also regions where the vast majority of the population would like to live in a Kurd state.
As a democrat, I consider they have the right to decide for themselves. Especially in regions where the population overwhelmingly would support such decision (Rojava + Iraqi Kurdistan + regions of Turkey with huge majority for HDP).

If Syrian Kurds feel themselves as Kurds, the question of them having their own state is a legitimate one.

A nation is a "daily referendum" as Renan said. Refusing to people the right to determine themselves shouldn't happen.
(that applies to the Kurdish case but also to the Scottish or Catalan case btw)
 
:tearsofjoy:
Buddy, everything I wrote earlier is facts, i.e. evidence :rolleyes: But obviously, you don't want to engage them since they are what they are, i.e. factual. Instead, you send a video. How unsurprising. Could have been an article too.
People like you are so unable to actually think by themselves and actually engage in a discussion they always prefer to refer to an article/a video/anything thought and done by a third (as if it was some sort of truth and should be taken as authority), that's just sad.

And obviously, then comes the irony "you don't want to be proven wrong because this is the internet where no one admits they're wrong about anything". Couldn't be more true. Just a pity you fail to realize it concerns you directly. (which is the very reason why you deviate the debate with your video)

Another point: I couldn't care less about "the previous administration" since I'm not American. And moreover unlike you, I think by myself thanks. I don't feel the need to have my opinion determined by anyone. (which is also why I'm writting my own opinions, not refering to something someone wrote).
People don't always have the need to align themselves with a side you know. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I watched the video.
It's obviously terribly biaised, but it's fine nonetheless since it's always interesting to listen to the alternative/Russian reading of the events.
The whole problem is they fall short of really announcing their thesis, nothing is really said directly, everything is implicit.
Fact is it's an opinion film, not a neutral documentary, but they still want to keep the appearance it's neutral, which in my book is called dishonesty.
But what exactly is the thesis here? There are three in fact - which are the usual talking points of Russian propaganda unsurprisingly.
  1. Ukrainian nationalism = nazis
  2. Maidan is an American manipulation = the whole Maidan episode has no legitimicacy
  3. Russian-speaking people resisted to this external ingerence and this extremist danger.
Obviously, since it pretends to be neutral, they don't say it directly but it's exactly the message sent in this film.

What is the problem here?

Ukraine is ignored.
Ukrainian people are ignored. Only people which seems to matter in the documentary are Crimean and Eastern Russian-speaking ones. Why is that the vast majority of the Ukrainien population never seemed to matter in this film? Such a one-sided version of the events is ridiculous.
Ukrainian history is ignored at best or failed completely to be taken into consideration by the filmmaker. It's quite symptomatic to hear at the very beginning the narrator speaking of the "liberation" of Ukraine by the USSR. While it may have been true for a part of the Ukrainian population, it hasn't for an enormous part of the population. Missing such a determining element of Ukrainian perceptions shows how ignorant of Ukrainian complex realities this documentary is.
In this documentary, Ukraine is secondary. People look like they are just pawns while radicals and the foreign countries decide.
Such a reading of the events is interesting since it enables the filmmaker to refute any legitimacy to Maidan.
Basically: "Maidan is just an US creation". Unfortunately, such thesis hasn't been backed by actual facts.
  1. The democratically elected representatives of Ukraine supported Yanukovytch's removal (included members of his very own party)
  2. Even though one can discuss if the followed procedure was constitutionnal, fact is the following elections confirmed the legitimacy of the whole thing since the people have clearly confirmed the political direction of the country
  3. Even in Russian-speaking areas, things went back to normal. Odessa and Kharkov regions are still part of Ukraine. In these regions too, post-Maidan Ukraine has been accepted. (the only regions where Maidan has been a problem afterwards has been regions where Russia got directly involved. One could suspect such a correlation might be a causality but who am I to say that :sweatsmile:)
In fine, people have had their say and it's quite clear.

In my opinion, that's the main thing which matters. Simply because I'm a democrat.

On the contrary, I will always loathe people who ignore a democratic decision and more generally the voice of the people and who prefer to write a story where people have just have been manipulated (i.e. "they are stupid").

If you do defend such theories of manipulation, you should be coherent. And then apply that to every other case in the world. By beginning with the USA obviously but without forgetting Crimea. But obviously then it won't fit your narrative.
People like you, like Putin and like this filmmaker, don't care about democracy because seemingly, they don't know what it means

.It's pretty blatant in the case of the film. "Maidan = US staged-coup backed by extremist militias", "Crimea = will of the people". Anyone can realize how incoherent and frankly ridiculous the whole narrative is here. You have to be coherent: you can't do such ridiculous cherry-picking.
Even more when the degree of intervention by a foreign country is even worse in the Crimean case (money, propaganda, military intervention for Crimea against only money and propaganda for Maidan).

Just because the film doesn't even consider what the Ukrainian wanted/did but only see Maidan as created by Americans, it has basically no value at all. And worse anyone who applauds that kind of reading must be coherent and apply that everytime and everywhere. Which brings to the unavoidable conclusion: democracy cannot exist (because people have no real say, they are just manipulated). That's a dangerous one and I will fight anyone which spreads that kind of view.

That been said, no one will deny the USA had their own agenda (that can be criticized) and they acted accordingly (again, the acts in question can also be criticized). But so did Russia (which can also be criticized). And so do every single country in the world (idem).
That's not news, that just how international politics work.
Countries fight for their influence and their interests all over the world. Sometimes they even play dirty.
Money and propaganda are fair.
And eventually the only thing that matters is : how is this external support received by the populations? (again, it should be the main preoccupation for everyone who considers themselves as democrat)
In the Ukrainian case, the outcome has been quite clear: the Western support was wanted by the Ukrainian people. The following elections confirmed that.


More globally, both Russia and the USA (+Europe) wanted to have Ukraine with them. It's the reason of the whole mess.
As a sovereign country, Ukraine should have been able to decide what to do. Europe was more attractive than Russia, which meant that Ukraine would soon be lost by Putin (as with every other free country before). Hence his pressures. Hence the whole troubles (first because Ukrainians had their say; second because Putin didn't consider the Ukrainian say as their say but as an American one - exactly like you and the filmmaker btw).
But since Russia doesn't have any soft power and were losing, they had to resolve to the only thing they know: force. It might have been a victory (they won Crimea and Donbass and any NATO adhesion in the future for Ukraine is dead), but it also a defeat since Russia showed their only weapon is force.

Last point: Another proof of how small countries and their people don't matter at all is the whole argument of the NATO extension.
But if a country wants to join NATO, it is their absolute sovereign right. If the people of Lithuania, Estonia, Poland and so on want to be member, it's their right. It might not please Putin but he has no say whatsoever in such a decision. One should rather wonder why all the countries have felt the need to join such a military alliance. Not one of the previously cited countries has ever been a threat to Russia. The contrary is not true and that is the whole reason why NATO has "expanded".

To conclude on a general note : your whole problem is you don't give a **** about democracy, Putin or the filmmaker don't either.
It's sad you fail to realise that. Your reading of the Ukrainian events doesn't take into consideration Ukraine while it should be the main thing that matters (and way more than any game Americans or Russians can have)
It was made by Oliver Stone. He's an American and a Democrat.
 
And again you show how little you care about people.
Who are you to decide whether the Kurds can have their own homeland or not?

Their actions in the past do exist (and they aren't necessarily nice as you say) but they are irrevelant in matters of today's situation.

Kurds feel themselves as Kurds more than anything. Sure there are regions where Kurds live and where people are fine with the country they live in (cf some regions of Turkey), but they are also regions where the vast majority of the population would like to live in a Kurd state.
As a democrat, I consider they have the right to decide for themselves. Especially in regions where the population overwhelmingly would support such decision (Rojava + Iraqi Kurdistan + regions of Turkey with huge majority for HDP).

If Syrian Kurds feel themselves as Kurds, the question of them having their own state is a legitimate one.

A nation is a "daily referendum" as Renan said. Refusing to people the right to determine themselves shouldn't happen.
(that applies to the Kurdish case but also to the Scottish or Catalan case btw)
...and please tell me your opinion on Brexit
 
I think Ghost brings up many important points. It's not for me to say if Trump acts enough like a Christian to categorized as one that it personal. So I think some of the facts about Trump are more important. He is a liar and a bigot. He is a thief. He is a cheat..in golf,gambling and on his wives and girlfriends and children.
He can't manage to tell the truth more than 11,000 times while President of the United States. Just days into office he set the stage for the following years. In leaked conversations with the President of Mexico, first Trump was caught in multiple lies. Rather than Congress and the President coming to an agreement on telling the truth,the administration disregarded the lies told and focused on who leaked the information.
When the President and all those around him summarily dismissed that any Russian meetings took place, Trump instead toyed with truth,trust and the public w bumbling misleading information from every angle ..Russian adoptions..and it took @$30+ million dollars and police and court resources to find out that guys were on the payroll of multiple foreign governments.
And we are going down the rabbit hole again..did you hold money? Did you or your goons throttle a needy government official to get a investigation of the Biden's. We started at absolutely not and today the answer has morphed into ,yes we did it so what.
And to you my Ghostly friend..I laughed out loud when Trump referenced World War 2 as a reason for phuking, over the Kurds..the derivative of Kurd that stands shoulder to shoulder with Navy Seals, Marines and Army Special Force troops. Those are the specific Kurd sect I am speaking of.but back to your reference..
The reason we are screwing the Kurds helping Americans is because of we want to give them a dose of payback for the Armenian genocide..I got it.
This is like Turks telling me not to read Orhan Pamuk because he strayed from a 100% pro Turkish angle.
if you truly believe that Donald.Jackoff .Trump made any decision because of his deep regret of American WWll troops you should cap the bottle or smoke the stuff w seeds.
if you truly think that Trump has ever pondered anything Armenian..approach the nearest policemen, ask for a ride they will know where to take you trust me.
Our situation is complicated I get that, but Forrest Trump saying that wrongs make rights..is wrong.
If you need a staring point.. Look at an official letter Trump sent to the Turkish President..they had to call Ashton Kutcher and the White House to see if it was a prank.
 
Unfortunately there is no cure for stupidity and I'm not even talking about Trump.
The reason the deep state keep pulling these stunts, these hoaxes such as Russiagate is because unfortunately there's still a critical mass of low IQ and extremely gullible people out there. People who never learned from no WMDs in Iraq, fooled twice and more. Shame on you.

So anyone can just declare an autonomous republic in any country they choose and we should send the might of our military to make this happen. This is some of the stupidest logic I've ever read on an internet forum.

The Kurds are releasing ISIS prisoners as part of their leverage. Why should we give anything to these people...much less steal from someone else to give to them
 
Last edited:
The reason the deep state keep pulling these stunts,
Deep state, what poppycock..very trumpista of you. To brush off the ineptitude of don by claiming 'deep state'. Last time a same party candidate followed a same candidate president was Reagan-Bush1..was there no deep state against Clinton, after 12 years of GOP 'rule'? Nope. Was there a 'deep state' against President Obama? Was there a deep state last time a elected president won the electoral college but lost the popular vote(Bush-Gore)? Nope.

Your boy's ACTING Chief of Staff just admitted withholding military aid to Ukrane(funny that, Russia didn't invade Ukraine, according to Ghost..but they ask for military aid to...... combat Russian troops and mercenaries..hmmm) to ask/force a investigation into a conspiracy theory, largely debunked, foisted by that fat, drunk lawyer, Guiliani...now their 'defense', yup, donnie, inept and ignorant to the last, did it..but so what?
 
Last edited:
Unfortunately there is no cure for stupidity and I'm not even talking about Trump.
The reason the deep state keep pulling these stunts, these hoaxes such as Russiagate is because unfortunately there's still a critical mass of low IQ and extremely gullible people out there. People who never learned from no WMDs in Iraq, fooled twice and more. Shame on you.

So anyone can just declare an autonomous republic in any country they choose and we should send the might of our military to make this happen. This is some of the stupidest logic I've ever read on an internet forum.

The Kurds are releasing ISIS prisoners as part of their leverage. Why should we give anything to these people...much less steal from someone else to give to them
What have you got against the Kurds? You seem to have a very selective defense of the integrity of the modern nation state.
 
It was made by Oliver Stone. He's an American and a Democrat.
To be fair the "democrat's" now are more like communist. Socialist loon's to be more correct.

Anyone have a link to the investigation into the former VP and his son with respect to the money he has made off the ukraine and Communist china? I keep listening to media reports that the accusations are pure conspiracy and that they were cleared of any wrong doing.

Just noted that the VP's son was discharged from the US NAVY for cocaine. What a sad shame he must be for the family. Hunter is probably glad he does not work in a company that requires a drug screening prior to employment or even random drug testing.
 
I think Ghost brings up many important points. It's not for me to say if Trump acts enough like a Christian to categorized as one that it personal. So I think some of the facts about Trump are more important. He is a liar and a bigot. He is a thief. He is a cheat..in golf,gambling and on his wives and girlfriends and children.
He can't manage to tell the truth more than 11,000 times while President of the United States. Just days into office he set the stage for the following years. In leaked conversations with the President of Mexico, first Trump was caught in multiple lies. Rather than Congress and the President coming to an agreement on telling the truth,the administration disregarded the lies told and focused on who leaked the information.
When the President and all those around him summarily dismissed that any Russian meetings took place, Trump instead toyed with truth,trust and the public w bumbling misleading information from every angle ..Russian adoptions..and it took @$30+ million dollars and police and court resources to find out that guys were on the payroll of multiple foreign governments.
And we are going down the rabbit hole again..did you hold money? Did you or your goons throttle a needy government official to get a investigation of the Biden's. We started at absolutely not and today the answer has morphed into ,yes we did it so what.
And to you my Ghostly friend..I laughed out loud when Trump referenced World War 2 as a reason for phuking, over the Kurds..the derivative of Kurd that stands shoulder to shoulder with Navy Seals, Marines and Army Special Force troops. Those are the specific Kurd sect I am speaking of.but back to your reference..
The reason we are screwing the Kurds helping Americans is because of we want to give them a dose of payback for the Armenian genocide..I got it.
This is like Turks telling me not to read Orhan Pamuk because he strayed from a 100% pro Turkish angle.
if you truly believe that Donald.Jackoff .Trump made any decision because of his deep regret of American WWll troops you should cap the bottle or smoke the stuff w seeds.
if you truly think that Trump has ever pondered anything Armenian..approach the nearest policemen, ask for a ride they will know where to take you trust me.
Our situation is complicated I get that, but Forrest Trump saying that wrongs make rights..is wrong.
If you need a staring point.. Look at an official letter Trump sent to the Turkish President..they had to call Ashton Kutcher and the White House to see if it was a prank.
interesting word usage. "Donald.Jackoff .Trump"
 
To be fair the "democrat's" now are more like communist. Socialist loon's to be more correct.

Anyone have a link to the investigation into the former VP and his son with respect to the money he has made off the ukraine and Communist china? I keep listening to media reports that the accusations are pure conspiracy and that they were cleared of any wrong doing.

Just noted that the VP's son was discharged from the US NAVY for cocaine. What a sad shame he must be for the family. Hunter is probably glad he does not work in a company that requires a drug screening prior to employment or even random drug testing.
Half of DC politicians would test positive for some controlled substance at some point in their life. Possibly all. '
Stay tuned to the drama about Trump vs. Biden...it's getting sticky as people are testifying to save themselves.
 
Half of DC politicians would test positive for some controlled substance at some point in their life. Possibly all. '
Stay tuned to the drama about Trump vs. Biden...it's getting sticky as people are testifying to save themselves.
I agree with you that Biden is going to go down. No way he can stay involved with his dementia and then his corruption scandal.
 
Jun 2, 2016
87
9
2,695
...and please tell me your opinion on Brexit
What exactly do you want to know?
A lot could be said, but you'll have to precise which point you're interested in ;)

Anyways, lucky for me I'm not a Brit. My opinion is then of no importance regarding which outcome I would prefer.
It's a British decision, they should deal with it.
I may think it's a stupid decision, but it's theirs. They are sovereign, so if they want to keep being stupid, they can: it's their right. All that matters is it is their decision and they should deal (in the way they decide) with the mess they created.
 
Both are completely irrelevant here.
I wrote about being a democrat (small d) as in someone who values democracy. Stone may be a Democrat, it doesn't make him a democrat (which he is not, cf. his implicit message in his documentary)
Stone is most likely a Me2 waiting to happen. Having said that, he is obviously a communist.
 
Half of DC politicians would test positive for some controlled substance at some point in their life. Possibly all. '
Stay tuned to the drama about Trump vs. Biden...it's getting sticky as people are testifying to save themselves.
Hey check this out. Modified to fit the conversation. See how simple minded your argument in the other thread turns out to be?

Current history aside you're welcome to the generalized opinion.
When I reference the opinions or confirmations from politicians that I know, I have a real sense of their honesty. There are politicians that went an entire career without doping and there are current politicians that are clean. I'm going to "suggest" that they aren't suspicious until someone like you puts in the research to prove otherwise. Not sure
 

ASK THE COMMUNITY

TRENDING THREADS