You would think by now people would stop taking what Lawrence O'Donnell says as anything but fiction. He has been caught making up stuff " breaking news" and had to apologize for it.
I did not say the two video's you posted were made up. I said he has been caught making stuff up, and I don't get into a habit of believing a journo who lies.Which bit of that was "made up", or are you just going for the standard smear?
Not an O'Donnell fan myself, but...It is not really a hard concept. Do you want to believe the reporter when he makes a statement of fact? Yes or No? If that reporter has been known to make up facts, as in this example O'Donnell has, then I don't believe a word he says. I certainly would not go around touting his opinions as some great ground breaking example.
I'm trying to come up with an example. I read lots of things from different sources.Not an O'Donnell fan myself, but...
I'm curious if you use the same standards for your own media consumption. If a media outlet or reporter has ever been known to lie or make things up, should we assume you never use that media source again?
It would be a good policy. We'd all be better if we all followed it.
I'm guessing given your posts here, that you're a tad less critical of certain other media sources. Just a tad.
Those are entirely reasonable sources. The question though, was whether you apply the "O'Donnell lied" (quotes mine) standard to all the media you consume. Listing some factual and relatively centrist sites doesn't answer that question.
Yet you support a president who has lied about 22,000 times...so far.I did not say the two video's you posted were made up. I said he has been caught making stuff up, and I don't get into a habit of believing a journo who lies.
Are you going to say he has not had to apologize for making up news? Or are you trying to support a liar?
More to come..We know Trump had spoken with Erdogan before this decision, so maybe Trump does this in return for Erdogan not releasing what he has on MBS. This will then leave Turkey free to attack the Kurds, while the Russians hem them in from the south.
You are demonstrating your ignorance when you mention 'socialism' when describing the DEM candidates.
Comparing the hypocrisy from both sides of current politics is an example of both main party's having it wrong.Those are entirely reasonable sources. The question though, was whether you apply the "O'Donnell lied" (quotes mine) standard to all the media you consume. Listing some factual and relatively centrist sites doesn't answer that question.
The New York Times for example, has had some issues with writers who make things up, but the "Factual" rating from that site is still (rightly) HIGH.
Fair and correct to be critical of media lies. Hard to imagine how one could be a fan of Trump with this sort of philosophy, however. Either one objects to lies or one excuses them. Can't be a Trump fan and complain about some left-wing pundit making something up at some point in the past. Trump literally wouldn't last 5 minutes by that standard. The right has, IMO, utterly abdicated any moral standing on this issue.
Not an argument a Trumpist can make with any credibility. Would it be fair to say your'e a fan of the President? Seems like you're touting him quite a bit on here.
The last thing I'm doing is comparing the hypocrisy of both sides. I'm pointing out the false equivalency you're creating by supporting a pathological liar in Trump and simultaneously calling out one journalist for a lie, and challenging someone else for listening to anything that person says.Comparing the hypocrisy from both sides of current politics is an example of both main party's having it wrong.
Saying that both sides lie is pointing out the obvious.
Yet everyone eventually choose a side.
The New York Times gets it correct sometimes.
You clearly get your information from a pretty patterned and paced source although you claim a broader base. Fox News and other previously supportive of Trump have called him out repeatedly and most recently for the Syria BS. Trump's now declaring his "sanctions" on Turkey lifted and the "cease fire" as permanent. He creates the situation, the lie and constantly repeats it until his base echo the line. Right now I'm sitting across from a co-worker that was a Green Beret and performed diplomatic level chores in Afghanistan, Iraq and other areas. He is absolutely livid that the investment of lives mopping up from the Iraq war are being lied away by a singularly/simple minded president (note the small letters). He is very aware of the strategic elements that Ukraine, Turkey and Syria represent and shares the opinion that Trump is seeking the long term payoff from Putin. That, or Putin has convinced him he will end his days if he doesn't continue wrecking US global partnerships. This morass is deeply interrelated in his mind. He voted for Trump and apologizes for it now.For some reason I can't reply to your post as it will not give me the option.
Point being whenever I see O'D or anything MSNBC I refuse to believe and in most instances I do not bother reading or watching.
With Trump who is not a journalist you say he lies, in fact many say he lies. I can point to any other politician who lies. Prob or most likely someone you support.
Trump will get reelected due to the lack of thought and vision from democrats. I could never vote for any of the current candidates for president on the Dem ticket. But since I do not have the right to vote in the USA it does not matter. I guess I could always just vote illegally.
As it stands at the moment; you can't be sure what the House of Reps will do. The Dems would want to get it right or not press it to the Senate. The GOP membership is desperate to move it along so they can kill it in the Senate and save their narrative about the Dem's socialism and whatever else is on their agenda.Trump will get re elected.
The lower house will send impeachment to the upper house. The upper house will either not go forward or will not convict.
Currently the closed door depositions do nothing except cause suspicion onto the process.
Have any other presidents lied? How about under oath? I can think of one of them right now.
This is a tired old argument that conflates breaking promises with lying. With saying that something will happen that doesn't happen with denying something that has already happened.With Trump who is not a journalist you say he lies, in fact many say he lies. I can point to any other politician who lies. Prob or most likely someone you support.