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and still the impeachment circus finds nothing on Trump, nothing at all

maybe it will serve to drain the swamp
And still Republicans claim it's all hearsay.

Maybe it will serve to allow Mulvaney, Bolton, Pompeo, Perry to testify.

Nah. Their refusal to do so is sheer coincidence, of course, it couldn't be because they could corroborate everything more than half a dozen people have already said.

"I want nothing."

Trump very carefully reading from a prepared card about suitable for a 6th grader, denying any quid pro quo AFTER the whistle blower report came out. The timing, of course, is sheer coincidence, as was the release of the Ukrainian aid.

The Republican argument: it's all hearsay from a number of people who just happen to agree, by sheer coincidence, on all the relevant details, as well as a bunch of other statistically highly improbable coincidences.

A very reasonable argument for a party that doesn't believe in statistics, anyway.
 
And still Republicans claim it's all hearsay.

Maybe it will serve to allow Mulvaney, Bolton, Pompeo, Perry to testify.

Nah. Their refusal to do so is sheer coincidence, of course, it couldn't be because they could corroborate everything more than half a dozen people have already said.

"I want nothing."

Trump very carefully reading from a prepared card about suitable for a 6th grader, denying any quid pro quo AFTER the whistle blower report came out. The timing, of course, is sheer coincidence, as was the release of the Ukrainian aid.

The Republican argument: it's all hearsay from a number of people who just happen to agree, by sheer coincidence, on all the relevant details, as well as a bunch of other statistically highly improbable coincidences.

A very reasonable argument for a party that doesn't believe in statistics, anyway.
You seem to be under the impression I give an F about the establishment swamp Republicans
 
You seem to be under the impression I give an F about the establishment swamp Republicans
You seem to give that impression. You quote Scal ise, and throughout have been rebutting the evidence against Trump with exactly the same talking points the swamp Rs make. In fact, all the Republicans have in support of Trump is the claim that all the testimony is hearsay, and that's basically what you're saying.
 
And still Republicans claim it's all hearsay.

Maybe it will serve to allow Mulvaney, Bolton, Pompeo, Perry to testify.

Nah. Their refusal to do so is sheer coincidence, of course, it couldn't be because they could corroborate everything more than half a dozen people have already said.

"I want nothing."

Trump very carefully reading from a prepared card about suitable for a 6th grader, denying any quid pro quo AFTER the whistle blower report came out. The timing, of course, is sheer coincidence, as was the release of the Ukrainian aid.

The Republican argument: it's all hearsay from a number of people who just happen to agree, by sheer coincidence, on all the relevant details, as well as a bunch of other statistically highly improbable coincidences.

A very reasonable argument for a party that doesn't believe in statistics, anyway.
Remember back that one time when Eric Holder was held in contempt?
Nah. His refusal was sheer coincidence.

"On June 28, 2012, Holder became the first U.S. Attorney General in history to be held in both criminal and civil contempt. He was held, by a bipartisan vote, in contempt by the House of Representatives in a 255–67 vote, with 17 Democrats voting for the measure, 2 Republicans voting against the measure."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/09/fast-and-furious-documents-holder-1313120

This is all a game. Don't be surprised or disgusted when this goes to the Senate. The shoe on the other foot test is about to come back and blast the derangement crowed in the face.
 
If you are hearing voices from the TV telling you to do things... well... that would explain a lot.

ETA. It looks like Sondland is going to be the next person exiled to Never Trump-land.
ETA2.

It is hard to take a person seriously that says that they are not wedded to political parties when they write things like these.
Hey you might want to look at a few other posters on here that are most likely hearing voices. From the looks of their posts they are. Its either that or they are on the government provided healthcare disaster you yanks call the Veterans Hospital.
 
You seem to give that impression. You quote Scal ise, and throughout have been rebutting the evidence against Trump with exactly the same talking points the swamp Rs make. In fact, all the Republicans have in support of Trump is the claim that all the testimony is hearsay, and that's basically what you're saying.
that's because there's been no evidence forthcoming to suggest otherwise

actually calling it hearsay is giving it too much credit... fourth hand accounts from the unknown sources and the NYT isn't evidence of anything at all
 
and still the impeachment circus finds nothing on Trump, nothing at all

maybe it will serve to drain the swamp
Hmm

-Obstruction of justice/congress..even Barr agrees with this. AND piece of paper says cannot indict a sitting POTUS..Impeach, yes, but not indict.
-witness tampering..if you(donnie) are the subject and you threaten a witness=witness tampering
-attempted bribery-asked and answered
-perjury-

BTW-'Inquiry'...lets hear/see the entire transcript of the telephone call. Not redacted, altered.
Lets see the sealed Mueller testimony including trump's written answers.

The swamp ala your boy is doing quite well...
actually calling it hearsay is giving it too much credit... fourth hand accounts from the unknown sources and the NYT isn't evidence of anything at all
You aren't paying attention!! Spewing GOP/jordan talking points makes you look as ignorant as they are.
 
that's because there's been no evidence forthcoming to suggest otherwise

actually calling it hearsay is giving it too much credit... fourth hand accounts from the unknown sources and the NYT isn't evidence of anything at all
4th hand?
Holmes described his recollection of the July 26 conversation, which he overheard while at a lunch with Sondland at a restaurant in Kyiv, as “clear.” He added that his colleagues at the table also knew that Sondland was speaking with Trump.

“Even though I did not take notes of these statements, I have a clear recollection that these statements were made,” Holmes said.

Immediately after the phone call, Holmes said that Sondland told him that Trump did not “give a s--- about Ukraine” and only cares about “‘big stuff’ that benefits the President." Holmes said Sondland specifically named the “Biden investigation” sought by Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.
 
Another update;

Update 2: Dobinsky, the MP, says there is a "signed suspicion" at 1:19 in the video below. This has been described in Ukrainian media as an investigative step which documents allegations against an individual or individuals, similar to a criminal referral. While Donibsky says during the press conference that "Zlochevsky was charged," we have updated our headline and report accordingly.


“Today we met with you to hold a conference, to release data that, firstly, is hidden by the Prosecutor General’s Office, because among these data is a signed suspicion to Nikolai Zlochevsky, who is a co-owner of Burisma ...

... and this suspicion also mentions Khatrara Biden, the son of ex-vice president Joe Biden ...

.. and this suspicion refers to the fact that Mr. Biden received Ukraine money laundered by Mr. Zlochevsky and laundered money from the Yanukovych family ...

... I would like to draw attention to why {in fact} it is so important this new suspicion, which was written out to Mr. Zlochevsky and which passed by the attention of the press ...

... On November 14th this suspicion was written out {and you see it on the slide}. Important document why? This document has one important detail ...

... according to the suspicion of Zlochevsky from the Attorney General's Office, Biden and partners received their $ 16.5 million for services under Burisma ...

.. but what is the origin of the funds {in fact}, what was this done for? This was done and rewarded by the son of Vice President Joe Biden for his services of criminally laundered money ...

...Biden received the money, the source of which is not successful activity, not consultation, this is the money of Ukrainian citizens stolen. They were obtained by criminal means. So says the Prosecutor General ...

.. Kramatorsky court Alexander Triboysha dealt with this topic ...
 
uh-oh..one of donnie's boys in trouble..
Netanyahu Indicted on Corruption Charges, Throwing His Future Into Doubt
The first prosecution of a sitting Israeli premier deepens the political paralysis in a country that has had two inconclusive elections this year, and may be headed to a third vote.
donnie is next....
 
Another day another record on the DOW.

It's becoming increasingly obvious why the Dems in the House will not simply wait for November 3, 2020 to let the people decide.

Meanwhile Kash Patel sues Politico and Natasha Bertrand for libel asking for $25 Million. Articles penned by Bertrand on October 23 and October 30 and appeared in Politico. Two weeks to turn around a $25 Million libel suit. Patel isn't messing around.
About that lawsuit....
Patel --> Nunes --> Parnas --> Firtash. Not a good look.

View: https://twitter.com/karoun/status/1197543697027674113
 
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Agreed.

SAN FRANCISCO -- The California Supreme Court has rejected a state law that would have required President Donald Trump to disclose his tax returns to appear on the state's primary ballot.

Justices said Thursday the law requiring candidates for president and governor to disclose financial information was unconstitutional.
 
More trouble for Hunter Biden.

An investment firm linked to Hunter Biden received over $130 million in federal bailout loans while his father Joe Biden was vice president and routed profits through a subsidiary in the Cayman Islands, according to federal banking and corporate records reviewed by the Washington Examiner.

Financial experts said the offshore corporate structure could have been used to shield earnings from U.S. taxes.


Rosemont Capital, an investment firm at the center of Hunter Biden’s much-scrutinized financial network, was one of the companies approved to participate in the 2009 federal loan program known as the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, or TALF.
Under the program, the U.S. Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve Bank issued billions of dollars in highly favorable loans to select investors who agreed to buy bonds that banks were struggling to offload, including bundled college and auto loans.
According to federal records, 177 firms participated in TALF, many of them well connected in Washington or on Wall Street. For investors, there was little risk and a high chance of reward. The Federal Reserve funded as much as 90% of the investments. If the bonds were profitable, the borrowers benefited. If not, the department agreed to take over the depreciated assets with no repercussions for the borrowers.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/hunter-biden-linked-company-received-130m-in-special-federal-loans-while-joe-biden-was-vp
 
Corporate welfare and the rich abusing tax loopholes. You are soooo close to getting it! Now do Trump's Opportunity zones.

I also enjoyed seeing Bernie Sanders quoted so favorably in a WashEx piece.

I will assume you know something about the TALF program and its' intended purpose.

I will also assume you understand what a non-recourse loan means.

Only 177 firms participated and there were almost no rules until sometime in 2010. There was so much corruption with lending practice within this "program" that it was stopped even before all the money was stolen, err lent.

There's a great argument here why the Government should stay in it's lane. I do not remember the total amount of money that was put on the table by Treasury (w/o Congressional appropriation) bet it was well over $100 Billion. Our Government does not operate well in this role.
 
EDIT: It does not appear an indictment was issued for Zlochevsky. That part of the story looks to have been leaked and not officially released.


Zerohedge is one of the better financial sites out there. I do not have a feel for the other than financial reporting there but I can imagine there is the ability to translate the presser.

Apparently the presser is (reportedly) stating Zlochevsky has been indicted.

View: https://youtu.be/txohpK6WV9I


Schiff will not call Biden because he will implicate Papa and blow Schiff's case to pieces. I don not believe Hunter is going to escape this now. He's going to be compelled to talk now. This thing is going forward in Ukraine and there's quite a bit of interest here thanks to Schiff and his unintended consequences.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-burisma/ukraine-widens-probe-against-burisma-founder-to-embezzlement-of-state-funds-idUSKBN1XU2N7

KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine has widened its investigation into the founder of energy company Burisma to include suspicion of embezzling state funds, Prosecutor General Ruslan Ryaboshapka said on Wednesday.

After he took office in late August, Ryaboshapka launched a wide-ranging audit of criminal cases to see whether they had been conducted properly. Thirteen of them relate to Burisma founder Mykola Zlochevsky, Ryaboshapka told reporters at a briefing on Wednesday.

Ryaboshapka’s predecessors oversaw a series of investigations into Zlochevsky, a multimillionaire former minister of ecology and natural resources. The allegations concern tax violations, money-laundering and licences given to Burisma during the period where Zlochevsky was a minister.

Ryaboshapka said Zlochevsky was now suspected of the “theft of government funds on an especially large scale,” but did not provide evidence or details.
 
You did notice the very last seven words..."but did not provide evidence or details."
Much different than what's happening in Trumpbog. The gators are snapping at his fallen arches and the magic encantation "Never Trumpers!" is only soothing the fellow trolls and denizens of his swampy world.

By the way...the DOW was down and twitching after months of 1,000 point ups/downs. If it corrects 4,000 pts and you don't care; does it actually happen in your world?
 
You did notice the very last seven words..."but did not provide evidence or details."
Much different than what's happening in Trumpbog. The gators are snapping at his fallen arches and the magic encantation "Never Trumpers!" is only soothing the fellow trolls and denizens of his swampy world.

By the way...the DOW was down and twitching after months of 1,000 point ups/downs. If it corrects 4,000 pts and you don't care; does it actually happen in your world?
Is that what's done when an investigation starts?

Who, Schiff? Bet it all. Bet it all.

It is pretty difficult for the DOW to set record highs every single day. Eventually investors will take profits. A 15% correction is significant whenever it happens.

When the DOW blows by 30,000 it will be because the Obama policies are driving it - in your world.

Did you happen to see this testimony today?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/fiona-hill-says-that-she-heard-putin-describe-american-fracking-as-a-great-threat-to-russia

Former National Security Council official and Russia expert Fiona Hill on Thursday testified that she heard Russian President Vladimir Putin at a 2011 conference describe American fracking as a "great threat" to Russia, a position he has emphasized ever since.
The recollection came out at a point in the impeachment hearing when Rep. Mike Conaway of Texas was asking Hill about Putin's propaganda efforts in the United States, at the center of which is the television channel RT, which pushes anti-fracking messaging. Hill agreed that Russia saw the growth of U.S. fracking as a threat given that it undermines Russia's efforts to dominate the energy sector.
“In November 2011, I actually sat next to Vladimir Putin, at a conference, in which he made precisely that point," she said. "It was the first time that he had actually done so to a group of American journalists and experts that were brought to something called the Valdai Discussion Club. So he started in 2011 making it very clear that he saw American fracking as a great threat to Russian interests. We were all struck by how much he stressed this issue. And since 2011, and since that particular juncture, Putin has made a big deal of this.”


Obama could have made energy independence a cornerstone too. He didn't. Neither would have Hillary.
 
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