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There aren’t many people on this planet dumber than Al Gore.. but Krugman is one of them.

This is the best evidence I have seen so far to bolster a skeptics position. If Krugman believes it then it’s not happening.
The bolded speaks more about the inherent weakness of the skeptics' position, doesn't it? I mean...not great evidence to base a scientific view on. Hyperbole aside, the article linked has a lot of good information. Much of it deeply troubling. Based on his recent words even Trump will admit climate change during the campaign.

Looking good for Biden. His poll numbers seem to be strengthening. There is a chance this is over on Super Tuesday. View: https://twitter.com/MULawPoll/status/1217516390439059459
 
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I would love to see this be the sneaky issue that mobilizes voters this year. Especially in places like Florida and especially with younger voters. Look at the trajectory of the increase in alarmed people since 2014.

View: https://twitter.com/ecotone2/status/1217830287817744391
alarmed with no direction?

what exactly will happen to the planet if the usa / west Europe stops all carbon emissions today?

the need for the countries who are polluting the most to be alarmed is where the focus should start.
 
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alarmed with no direction?

what exactly will happen to the planet if the usa / west Europe stops all carbon emissions today?

the need for the countries who are polluting the most to be alarmed is where the focus should start.
Why entertain hypotheticals that have no possibility of happening? If there is no global buy-in, then nothing will happen.

Per capita, the US is one of the biggest carbon polluters. And one of the biggest sources of climate denialism.
 
Why entertain hypotheticals that have no possibility of happening? If there is no global buy-in, then nothing will happen.

Per capita, the US is one of the biggest carbon polluters. And one of the biggest sources of climate denialism.
The solution here, of course, is to strive for a population the size of China’s. Then, per capita, we’d be awesome.
 
alarmed with no direction?
Exactly. Some people like to live that way.


what exactly will happen to the planet if the usa / west Europe stops all carbon emissions today?
Nothing. Humanity would cease to exist in those regions, but nothing will happen to the planet.

the need for the countries who are polluting the most to be alarmed is where the focus should start.
That is just so unfair.

Climate change runs parallel to socialism. The focus is on tearing the top down, not building the bottom up.
 
Looking good for Biden. His poll numbers seem to be strengthening. There is a chance this is over on Super Tuesday.
Quick question: Is this a good thing in your opinion? And how much faith are you placing in polls?

I ask because I truly find it hard to believe Democrats can’t see what I see when watching Biden try and formulate a sentence.
 
Quick question: Is this a good thing in your opinion? And how much faith are you placing in polls?

I ask because I truly find it hard to believe Democrats can’t see what I see when watching Biden try and formulate a sentence.
No. Biden seems horribly suited to be running a country like the USA. Age is just a number, but Biden seems like his mind is not what it was. Nor was I a fan when he had his full faculties. Marquette is the gold standard for WI polling. It shows that people prefer Biden to the other democrats in a general election. Other state polls show the same. That is his main selling point. Would that change during a drawn out campaign. Maybe, but he seems to be made of Teflon and Trump is not the best person to be prosecuting that case. All the recent polling in fla and sc looks really good for Biden. If he is going to win, better to wrap it up early.
 
Why entertain hypotheticals that have no possibility of happening? If there is no global buy-in, then nothing will happen.

Per capita, the US is one of the biggest carbon polluters. And one of the biggest sources of climate denialism.
the world if serious should demand that the largest polluters have a plan that will clean up their act now. so far none of the past climate agreements put any type of milestones on those countries. it has been for show.

not sure what parts of the world you have traveled but the pollution is obviously out of control in parts of the planet, i don't find it that way living here in the usa.
 
the world if serious should demand that the largest polluters have a plan that will clean up their act now. so far none of the past climate agreements put any type of milestones on those countries. it has been for show.

not sure what parts of the world you have traveled but the pollution is obviously out of control in parts of the planet, i don't find it that way living here in the usa.
It is true that the world hasn't gotten serious enough about climate change. But a big hurdle is the USA not even willing to sign onto the toothless agreements that have been put forth. Maybe Australia will be the wake-up call.

I guess you have not been around the Cuyahoga when it has been on fire. Or in Florida when red tide has struck. Or in the gulf coast after deepwater horizon. Or near a fracking site where your ground water has been contaminated. Or near the 1303 superfund sites around the country.
 
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It is true that the world hasn't gotten serious enough about climate change. But a big hurdle is the USA not even willing to sign onto the toothless agreements that have been put forth. Maybe Australia will be the wake-up call.

I guess you have not been around the Cuyahoga when it has been on fire. Or in Florida when red tide has struck. Or in the gulf coast after deepwater horizon. Or near a fracking site where your ground water has been contaminated. Or near the 1303 superfund sites around the country.

Although not old enough to actually remember it, I grew up an hour 45 minutes to 2 hour drive from Cleveland and know the story about the Cuyahoga burning on more than one occasion. Not something that should ever happen, but it appears we're headed back to that.


Actually came here to complain about how horrible our education system is and that we really need to figure out how to truly fix it. Our education system is so far behind Europe/Canada/etc that it's really sad.
 
Although not old enough to actually remember it, I grew up an hour 45 minutes to 2 hour drive from Cleveland and know the story about the Cuyahoga burning on more than one occasion. Not something that should ever happen, but it appears we're headed back to that.


Actually came here to complain about how horrible our education system is and that we really need to figure out how to truly fix it. Our education system is so far behind Europe/Canada/etc that it's really sad.
what an over reaction and reaching statement.
 
Yeah, you're right. It's all fine

the discussion was about the usa and that it was more like the 70's or 80's - i made a note that the largest polluters around the world are not doing anything to clean up or reduce. your article points right to that and the headline picture was from one of those countries.
 
And yet despite that you maintain that the US is now more pristine?
not pristine at all, not saying that. it seems that the usa has gone in the clean up direction over the past 30 years. maybe you don't believe that but from what i deal with day to day it is evident.

but i don't posses a phd so maybe im not qualified to have an opinion.
 
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