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Scott SoCal said:
Depends on how different your "view" is, n'est-ce pas?



Oh I get it.

Entrepreneurial capitalistic work-based risk-taking is so last century.

We need economy control.... er, I guess we already have that though, don't we?
No' you're right that Extrapenile thing that you are all for has worked out so well in the past 50 years of this country's development.
 
rhubroma said:
Ok but the chances of any type of fortuitous amelioration seem remote, although I'd welcome anything to the contrary.
No time soon. A corrective to Scott's position would be, "The American dream, as was propagated will be extinct." A space of pure fantasy subject to selective interpretation; which is why he and Velo are deadlocked in the mud match.

But it seems also to be the passing of a particular modernist episode which is not restricted to the states.
 
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patricknd said:
Here's the scary part:

"I think they put their best effort forward and it was their belief and information that these were the correct people."


That was their best?
Look, Bush gutted the ATF. What do you expect?
 
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Hugh Januss said:
No' you're right that Extrapenile thing that you are all for has worked out so well in the past 50 years of this country's development.
My only mistake with the extrapenile thing was not using renewable resources. I could have been swimming in freshly printed money.
 
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aphronesis said:
Here's a little twist for those still holding fast in the gun debate.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/29/will-nypd-scanners-create-a-market-for-d

The NYPD has finally announced that it will be putting naked body terahertz scanners on NYC streets and scanning people without their knowledge or consent.

http://www.nycga.net/events/protest-nypd-putting-body-scanners-on-nyc-streets/

Another fantastic reason not to go to NYC. There was a time that the left used to freak out over stuff like this.... Patriot act, etc.
 
Scott SoCal said:
Another fantastic reason not to go to NYC. There was a time that the left used to freak out over stuff like this.... Patriot act, etc.
Well, if you clicked the second link, you'd see that Occupy are actually protesting it.

Not that that will likely amount to spit.

That said, the fusion of the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and the NYPD has most definitely defanged any sort of politically mobile left in the city.

A few years back the police knocked down a friend's door (he had an outstanding warrant for failing to pay a fine after a demonstration) when his girlfriend refused to let them in without a search warrant (apartment is in her name). They cuffed her and charged with with felony assault and obstruction of federal agents. Ironically, the neighbors had called the police because some construction workers in the basement had left a city water main open and rats started making their way in, which caused her to start screaming when she saw them in the morning.

Although they booked the guy, the fine had expired and the judge cut him loose that night. The woman had to go to court some half-dozen times with a specialist attorney whose practice is rights violations before one of the dozen or more cops who had been on the scene admitted that the Captain had been cooking the charges and a judge threw it out.


2nd amendment, how about that 4th?
 
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AndyMMT said:

Lessee, Bartlett was thrown under the bus... that is true. But he was wrong about Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Laffer, Keynes and to say Obama is barely liberal is laughably wrong. Inaugural address 2013 anyone?

Safe to say Bartlett has been wrong early and often and he sounds like he's just screaming to be relevant. Best of luck with that, Bruce.


A little of the other side;

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2012/08/06/federal-spending-killing-the-economy-with-government-stimulus/
 
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aphronesis said:
Well, if you clicked the second link, you'd see that Occupy are actually protesting it.

Not that that will likely amount to spit.

That said, the fusion of the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and the NYPD has most definitely defanged any sort of politically mobile left in the city.

A few years back the police knocked down a friend's door (he had an outstanding warrant for failing to pay a fine after a demonstration) when his girlfriend refused to let them in without a search warrant (apartment is in her name). They cuffed her and charged with with felony assault and obstruction of federal agents. Ironically, the neighbors had called the police because some construction workers in the basement had left a city water main open and rats started making their way in, which caused her to start screaming when she saw them in the morning.

Although they booked the guy, the fine had expired and the judge cut him loose that night. The woman had to go to court some half-dozen times with a specialist attorney whose practice is rights violations before one of the dozen or more cops who had been on the scene admitted that the Captain had been cooking the charges and a judge threw it out.


2nd amendment, how about that 4th?
Well, the bill of rights need to be updated. There are no absolutes, just ask Velo.

What was unalienable 300 years ago is anything but today.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Lessee, Bartlett was thrown under the bus... that is true. But he was wrong about Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Laffer, Keynes and to say Obama is barely liberal is laughably wrong. Inaugural address 2013 anyone?

Safe to say Bartlett has been wrong early and often and he sounds like he's just screaming to be relevant. Best of luck with that, Bruce.


A little of the other side;

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2012/08/06/federal-spending-killing-the-economy-with-government-stimulus/
And there we have it as you prove his point living in a bubble that nothing is wrong, demographics against the GOP and you move further right. If you hadnt noticed not 1 banker has been prosecuted, want to explain to me if Obama is "liberal" how that he is happy to bail the banks out but not homeowners but GWB was?


As for the totally economic garbage and propaganda (yes propaganda) from the cato institute (hmmm wonder who bank rolls them eh...give you a clue starts with K and ends in H) so many things wrong with it, it doesnt understand national debt, it confuses a currency issuers with currency users (that is Portugal with the Euro) Then uses examples like Germany who are apparently growing...seen the latest GDP figures? uses the Baltic states...have you seen how hard they crashed and of course it overlooks the fact that Latvia 10% of its population emigrated.

Now a note on GDP, government spending is part of GDP so if you cut government spending by definition growth will go down its simple maths
GDP = C + I + G + (X – M)
Where C = consumption, I = investment, G = government spending, X = exports & M = imports

It says and i quote "Only productive private investment will spark economic revival." Really and how is that going to happen, Companies are sitting on record cash piles but not investing... couldnt possibly have anything to do with demand could it? why on earth would a company invest when noone is buying?
Honestly my 5 year old boy knows more about economics than Bandow.

You want to throw yourself off a cliff like a lemming go right ahead but the problem is you take everyone with you.
 
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AndyMMT said:
And there we have it as you prove his point living in a bubble .......snip....
You want to throw yourself off a cliff like a lemming go right ahead but the problem is you take everyone with you.
Andy, I see you are new here so just a friendly FYI.

You are wasting your time arguing with Scotty, the wingnut talking point demagoguing racist trollbot. Please do not waste your time arguing reality with scotty....velocity, aphonesis, etal are wasting enough time on him to take care of your quota.
 
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ChrisE said:
Andy, I see you are new here so just a friendly FYI.

You are wasting your time arguing with Scotty, the wingnut talking point demagoguing racist trollbot. Please do not waste your time arguing reality with scotty....velocity, aphonesis, etal are wasting enough time on him to take care of your quota.
Ah sokay I maybe newly registered but I am a long time reader (although usually pro road racing) so do know the score. If it wasnt for the money/banking /economics thread and questions there might still have just lurked. Im very used to arguing with these types (for fun now and again go to a tea party supporting site to point out their lunacy) I dont bother debating at the Guardian much more often find me at the Daily Telegraph fighting it out with that lot. :D
 
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AndyMMT said:
And there we have it as you prove his point living in a bubble that nothing is wrong, demographics against the GOP and you move further right. If you hadnt noticed not 1 banker has been prosecuted, want to explain to me if Obama is "liberal" how that he is happy to bail the banks out but not homeowners but GWB was?


As for the totally economic garbage and propaganda (yes propaganda) from the cato institute (hmmm wonder who bank rolls them eh...give you a clue starts with K and ends in H) so many things wrong with it, it doesnt understand national debt, it confuses a currency issuers with currency users (that is Portugal with the Euro) Then uses examples like Germany who are apparently growing...seen the latest GDP figures? uses the Baltic states...have you seen how hard they crashed and of course it overlooks the fact that Latvia 10% of its population emigrated.

Now a note on GDP, government spending is part of GDP so if you cut government spending by definition growth will go down its simple maths
GDP = C + I + G + (X – M)
Where C = consumption, I = investment, G = government spending, X = exports & M = imports

It says and i quote "Only productive private investment will spark economic revival." Really and how is that going to happen, Companies are sitting on record cash piles but not investing... couldnt possibly have anything to do with demand could it? why on earth would a company invest when noone is buying?
Honestly my 5 year old boy knows more about economics than Bandow.

You want to throw yourself off a cliff like a lemming go right ahead but the problem is you take everyone with you.
And there we have it as you prove his point living in a bubble that nothing is wrong,
Living in a bubble is an interesting term. Your side is in control. Our system is FUBAR. Bubble? Your bubble is catastrophe, slick.

not 1 banker has been prosecuted
Who is runnin' the DOJ nowadays? Mozilo was what.... Chump change? If you are gonna run your mouth here you better bring it. Okay with you?

Obama is "liberal" how that he is happy to bail the banks out but not homeowners but GWB was?
Please. Bush was corrupt as is Obama. If you tell me this surprises you it will be the last time I respond to you.

As for the totally economic garbage and propaganda (yes propaganda) from the cato institute (hmmm wonder who bank rolls them eh...give you a clue starts with K and ends in H)
Okay. If you wish to be taken seriously this is not the way to get to your happy place. Cato is fine as a source as is Dailykos. We ok with that?

It says and i quote "Only productive private investment will spark economic revival." Really and how is that going to happen, Companies are sitting on record cash piles but not investing... couldnt possibly have anything to do with demand could it?
Have you no concept of what public 'investment' is? Tell me, pretty please, what is the source of public investment? Hmmmmmm, I can't begin to imagine why companies are sitting on tons of money... Unwilling to risk it? Why on earth to you suppose that might be? Ever run a business? Didn't think so.

Honestly my 5 year old boy knows more about economics
Than you do.
 
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Living in a bubble is an interesting term. Your side is in control. Our system is FUBAR. Bubble? Your bubble is catastrophe, slick.
Football game must be over, back to red team vs. blue team.:rolleyes:
 
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