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Ah trickle down economics yeh thats worked well, thats why wages have stagnated for the lower percentiles and inequality is at record levels honestly what is with you lot dont you look at facts? People who buy things create jobs not rentiers and Romneys asset stripping was shocking.

Yeh yeh government screw up like they did with erm say the moon landings, computers, penicillin while the private sector gave us Enron. You really should stop watching Fox. Next you will be telling us the teaparty are a grassroots movement and not a Koch & tobacco industry funded astroturf scam. Not all government is bad and not all private sector is good.
Ah trickle down economics yeh thats worked well, thats why wages have stagnated for the lower percentiles and inequality is at record levels honestly what is with you lot dont you look at facts? People who buy things create jobs not rentiers and Romneys asset stripping was shocking.
WTF? Romney is going to raze his La Jolla seaside home and build one 3 times larger. Have any idea how much he's stimulating the economy with that move?

The Romney's are seeking approval to expand the 3,009-square-foot home into an 8,105-square foot residence, a project estimated to cost about $12 million.
Rich people don't buy ****? Really? You wouldn't be able to spot facts if you were pissing on them.

Yeh yeh government screw up like they did with erm say the moon landings, computers, penicillin while the private sector gave us Enron.
What are you typing on, that government issued iPhone?:rolleyes:

Not all government is bad and not all private sector is good
Words to live by right there.
 
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Speaking of ineffectual - our wonderful health care system.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/price-for-a-new-hip-many-hospitals-are-stumped/?hp

Yep. Our "system" is not about health care, it's about profit.
Yep, all those f'ing greedy doctors ought to work for free. And just so you know, some doctors, like lawyers, are better than others, which could be a huge difference in the new hip. Different device makers, different products all at different price points...different patients present differently, not that you give a wit about any relevant fact. A hip is a hip is a hip. Let's standardize.

BTW Velo, you donate all your working hours, right?
 
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And please consider this exhibit "A' on how to disingenuously argue a point.

OMG, if we can help just 1 child it's worth whatever the cost, or some such BS.

Question: The bill was for $330 million annually. Why not just round up the funding to $400 million... I mean it's for the kids, right?
 
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You can control the guns. Background checks, gun registries, ban on certain types of weapons (which we do already for any number of weapons) and magazines, etc. We know what is effectual, it's just that people like you refuse to accept it.

And I don't know if you've noticed, but the law-abiding overwhelmingly support stricter gun control.
And they may. I do. Background checks ought to be vigorous. In fact, those who lie on background checks ought to have the book thrown at them. Are we? No. Why? Biden says "we don't have time." But more laws we don't enforce ought to fix the problem.

Your government at it's very finest.

 
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And please consider this exhibit "A' on how to disingenuously argue a point.

OMG, if we can help just 1 child it's worth whatever the cost, or some such BS.

Question: The bill was for $330 million annually. Why not just round up the funding to $400 million... I mean it's for the kids, right?
What i am sorry was i being disingenous by pointing out the heritage foundation who argue for tax cuts for the rich want to do that by cutting kids hospitals... the poor old rich eh. Dammit i am going to have to change my banner too more
fioe gras... doesnt quite have the ring of more gruel does it?
 
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WTF? Romney is going to raze his La Jolla seaside home and build one 3 times larger. Have any idea how much he's stimulating the economy with that move?



Rich people don't buy ****? Really? You wouldn't be able to spot facts if you were pissing on them.



What are you typing on, that government issued iPhone?:rolleyes:



Words to live by right there.
Its like taking candy from a baby but oh well

2000 shoppers a day in a walmart for instance... say average spend 200 dollars so say 400000 dollars thats per day say over 6 months the length of time it took to build Romneys new place (ignoring the jobs he sent overseas of course) so maybe half a dozen builders so maybe 500000 dollars... erm not even 2 days at wallmart takings.... so who created more jobs the wallmart shoppers or Romney?
 
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What i am sorry was i being disingenous by pointing out the heritage foundation who argue for tax cuts for the rich want to do that by cutting kids hospitals... the poor old rich eh. Dammit i am going to have to change my banner too more
fioe gras... doesnt quite have the ring of more gruel does it?
cutting kids hospitals
Where in the article posted did the appropriation squabble have anything to do with this? It didn't. Perhaps understand what you read before you post. Saves everybody time.
 
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Its like taking candy from a baby but oh well

2000 shoppers a day in a walmart for instance... say average spend 200 dollars so say 400000 dollars thats per day say over 6 months the length of time it took to build Romneys new place (ignoring the jobs he sent overseas of course) so maybe half a dozen builders so maybe 500000 dollars... erm not even 2 days at wallmart takings.... so who created more jobs the wallmart shoppers or Romney?
So what we need in this economy are a bunch more WalMart stores... except I thought Wal Mart jobs weren't worth having? You really should to get your talking points straight.

One individual, spending $12,000,000 to demo and build a new house... I wonder how many board feet of lumber that project will use? Copper for the plumbing, all the concrete products, the framers, roofers, plumbers, painters, cabinet makers, installers, flooring dudes, subs, general contractors, their employees, appliance makers, furniture makers, their parts and material suppliers, shippers, retailers, etc., etc., etc.

I'll bet the SoCal contractor(s) and everybody they do business with (that get that job) will be pretty damned happy Mitt didn't just keep his $12,000,000 in the Caymans.

You truly have no concept. I mentioned before you'll have to bring your "A" game to this debate or you aren't going to have anybody here to argue with. Get with the program. Last warning.
 
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And they may. I do. Background checks ought to be vigorous. In fact, those who lie on background checks ought to have the book thrown at them. Are we? No. Why? Biden says "we don't have time." But more laws we don't enforce ought to fix the problem.

Your government at it's very finest.

Keep in mind these are the same people who support "sanctuary cities" then complain about crime--oops, my bad, it's not crime, it's gun violence. You cannot talk about crime because that might bring up the obvious connection between crime and violence instead of putting the blame on inanimate objects.
 
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I sure hope Obama hurries up with the next round of stimulus. We need some block grants PDQ. A bunch of other States are ganging up on us.:mad:

Indeed, in the last five years Texas has gained 400,000 new jobs while California has lost 640,000. The Lone Star State’s rate of job growth was 33 percent higher than California’s last year, even as the Golden State finally pulled out of the recession.

Joseph Vranich, a California business-relocation expert, agrees that California has a systemic job-creation problem and says it needs to worry about more than just Texas. He says that 15 states are sending delegations to California and seeking to convince firms to relocate or, if they stay in California, to expand their operations out of state. Wealthy individuals such as golfer Phil Mickelson are openly talking about following Tiger Woods and moving to low-tax states such as Florida. EBay, Facebook, and Visa, among others, have recently made major expansions in Texas. “That kind of talk will only intensify now that top earners in California face a 13.3 percent income-tax hit on earnings over $1 million,” says Jon Fleischman, editor of the political blog FlashReport.com. “That’s not only the highest rate in the U.S. It’s the highest rate any state has had since World War II.”
Good thing we have a super majority of Liberals in the State govt. Maybe the $120 billion high speed train will get us on the right track.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/340276/texas-trumps-governor-moonbeam-john-fund
 
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So what we need in this economy are a bunch more WalMart stores... except I thought Wal Mart jobs weren't worth having? You really should to get your talking points straight.

One individual, spending $12,000,000 to demo and build a new house... I wonder how many board feet of lumber that project will use? Copper for the plumbing, all the concrete products, the framers, roofers, plumbers, painters, cabinet makers, installers, flooring dudes, subs, general contractors, their employees, appliance makers, furniture makers, their parts and material suppliers, shippers, retailers, etc., etc., etc.

I'll bet the SoCal contractor(s) and everybody they do business with (that get that job) will be pretty damned happy Mitt didn't just keep his $12,000,000 in the Caymans.

You truly have no concept. I mentioned before you'll have to bring your "A" game to this debate or you aren't going to have anybody here to argue with. Get with the program. Last warning.
Wallmart stores are magicked into existance and not built?
I was using Wallmart as an example but choose any store/business you like.

You are making some weird appeal to Says law that supply = demand.
 
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Wallmart stores are magicked into existance and not built?
I was using Wallmart as an example but choose any store/business you like.

You are making some weird appeal to Says law that supply = demand.
Sure. I'm satisfied that private wealth is helping create more private wealth. You might call it redistribution.
 
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Don't look now, looks like Velo wrote Barry's SOTU speech.

President Obama will use his State of the Union speech Tuesday to turn public opinion against automatic spending cuts and argue that some of the money to replace the cuts should instead come from higher taxes.
So, let me get this straight. Barry wants to tax, then spend? Hmmmm. How original.

#Obamaquester. Be careful what you wish for.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/282427-obama-to-make-case-against-spending-cuts
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Don't look now, looks like Velo wrote Barry's SOTU speech.



So, let me get this straight. Barry wants to tax, then spend? Hmmmm. How original.

#Obamaquester. Be careful what you wish for.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/282427-obama-to-make-case-against-spending-cuts
the president will strike a similar tone as he has in recent days in calling for a “balanced” package of spending cuts and tax hikes to replace the sequester.
See, that's a grown-up approach. Then there's the conservative R approach:

btw, what's up with "Barry"? Is Barack just not real-American sounding enough for you? Too African? Too black?
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Yep, all those f'ing greedy doctors ought to work for free. And just so you know, some doctors, like lawyers, are better than others, which could be a huge difference in the new hip. Different device makers, different products all at different price points...different patients present differently, not that you give a wit about any relevant fact. A hip is a hip is a hip. Let's standardize.
Zip. Right over your head, as usual. Hint: it's a systemic problem dude. That was the entire point of the article.
 
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VeloCity said:
See, that's a grown-up approach. Then there's the conservative R approach:



btw, what's up with "Barry"? Is Barack just not real-American sounding enough for you? Too African? Too black?
You would love nothing more than an explaination based in some deep rooted racism. Pathetic, but forgivable. Rules for radicals, eh? You don't even recognize your Alinskyisms anymore do you?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/03/22/when-barry-became-barack.html

I figured if his Mom and Grandparents called him Barry then it's good enough for me.

Unless his Mom was racist.... She was the wrong color after all.:rolleyes:
 
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And they may. I do. Background checks ought to be vigorous. In fact, those who lie on background checks ought to have the book thrown at them. Are we? No. Why? Biden says "we don't have time." But more laws we don't enforce ought to fix the problem.

Your government at it's very finest.
How 'bout we focus on prevention before the fact rather than punishment after the fact?

btw I noticed that you guys never did actually explain this:



Here's my hypothesis: we have a much higher rate of gun-related homicides because we have a ****load more guns than anyone else. What's yours?
 
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Zip. Right over your head, as usual. Hint: it's a systemic problem dude. That was the entire point of the article.
Do you know anything about the organization you quoted the talking head from? Any idea what they are about?

You post something as stupid as that and you'll get a stupid response. Fair enough?

Hopefully you will never need any major medical procedure in your lifetime. But if you ever do the last thing on your mind will be taking the low bid. Now, the pay panel, on the other hand....
 
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You would love nothing more than an explaination based in some deep rooted racism. Pathetic, but forgivable. Rules for radicals, eh? You don't even recognize your Alinskyisms anymore do you?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/03/22/when-barry-became-barack.html

I figured if his Mom and Grandparents called him Barry then it's good enough for me.

Unless his Mom was racist.... She was the wrong color after all.:rolleyes:
But you're not his mom or grandparents. And clearly as that article shows he prefers Barack. Everyone else calls him Barack, except conservatives, who call him Barry, his childhood name - his "boy" name, eh?

Personally I don't think you are racist and that you're probably just parroting other conservatives but you might want to consider why people on the right started calling him Barry in the first place. Let's just say that it was never intended as an endearing nickname like Ronnie. The birther/Kenyan group claim that his real name is "Barry Soetoro". Maybe that'll give you a clue where "Barry" derives from and why they like to call him Barry.
 
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How 'bout we focus on prevention before the fact rather than punishment after the fact?

btw I noticed that you guys never did actually explain this:



Here's my hypothesis: we have a much higher rate of gun-related homicides because we have a ****load more guns than anyone else. What's yours?
Why did they exclude Mexico?

So, let me see if I understand you...

If we were to reduce the number of gun homicides from 3.0+ per 100k to 1 per 100k you would STFU? Did you know that gun homicide makes up a litlle over half of all homicides? 1) You are only addressing half of the issue and 2) You are not addressing the root of the problem. Why?

And for grins, with what you propose, where will the gun homicide numbers wind up?
 
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But you're not his mom or grandparents. And clearly as that article shows he prefers Barack. Everyone else calls him Barack, except conservatives, who call him Barry, his childhood name - his "boy" name, eh?

Personally I don't think you are racist and that you're probably just parroting other conservatives but you might want to consider why people on the right started calling him Barry in the first place. Let's just say that it was never intended as an endearing nickname like Ronnie. The birther/Kenyan group claim that his real name is "Barry Soetoro". Maybe that'll give you a clue where "Barry" derives from and why they like to call him Barry.
Ok. Since your sensitivities have been assaulted I will stop calling Him "Barry".

For someone who doesn't think me to be racist you sure mention it frequently. "boy", above? Can you get past that, maybe?

Continue if you must but it's really a false narrative and completely unnecessary.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Ok. Since your sensitivities have been assaulted I will stop calling Him "Barry".

For someone who doesn't think me to be racist you sure mention it frequently. "boy", above? Can you get past that, maybe?

Continue if you must but it's really a false narrative and completely unnecessary.
Nothing to do with my sensitivities, you can use Barry all you want. I was just wondering if you were aware of the fact that Barry is used by the racist right as a derogatory term based on his "Kenyan" name. (If you don't believe me, read the comments on The Hill or Free Republic sometime.) I don't think you knew that, which is fine, and I don't think you were using it in that sense. "Boy" was a hint, it wasn't directed at you per se.

But in that vein:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/12/what-president-obama-should-and-shouldnt-say-in-the-state-of-the-union/

Seven in 10 people in the survey said they would support a path to citizenship, including 60 percent of Republicans. But when the same question was asked of a separate sample of respondents, this time with Obama’s name attached to it, support dropped to 59 percent overall and just 39 percent among Republicans. On a path to citizenship, Republicans don’t mind the idea in theory but loathe it when attached to Obama. Independents are slightly less likely to support a path to citizenship if it is cast as Obama’s proposal, while Democrats favor it in basically the same numbers with or without the president’s name being mentioned.
Not surprising - Rs are all for it until it's linked to Obama, then they're against it. In other words, they hate Obama, and just Obama, not his policy. And there's no doubt in my mind that much of that has to do with racism - even today, a majority of Republicans refuse to believe that he is American.
 
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Why did they exclude Mexico?

So, let me see if I understand you...

If we were to reduce the number of gun homicides from 3.0+ per 100k to 1 per 100k you would STFU? Did you know that gun homicide makes up a litlle over half of all homicides? 1) You are only addressing half of the issue and 2) You are not addressing the root of the problem. Why?

And for grins, with what you propose, where will the gun homicide numbers wind up?
Chill, I'm just asking a question: if it's not guns, what's driving it? Why do we have - by far - the highest rate of gun-related homicides? My theory is that we have a much higher rate of gun-related homicides because we have a ****load more guns than everyone else. What's yours?
 
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