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I'm not a Hilary Clinton fan (I'd never support her in any Democratic primary), but she did do a good job as Secretary of State.
 
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It is one thing to use connections and another to ride into office on the back of your husband and his connections, especially when your husband convinced the candidate who was a shoo-in for the job to step aside to make way for his wife. In the ultimate irony, the candidate who stepped aside was a woman. Hillary's career is a long history of using her husband to get her choice jobs, from the Rose law firm to a Senatorship.

Palin's intellect may never rise above the level of a ditz but she did not get to where she is because of who she married.

Just sayin' her use of Bill is pretty funny considering she fashions herself as a leader of the women's movement. With leaders like this who needs Republicans stuck inthe 50s.
OK you crackers have got to get your stories straight. While socalscotty is telling us that Hillary has run the show forever you are claiming that she has been riding on Billy's coat tails for the approximate same length of time. Can't have it both ways boys, why don't you get together and let us know which crackhead scheme you guys are pushing this week.
 
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OK you crackers have got to get your stories straight. While socalscotty is telling us that Hillary has run the show forever you are claiming that she has been riding on Billy's coat tails for the approximate same length of time. Can't have it both ways boys, why don't you get together and let us know which crackhead scheme you guys are pushing this week.
Looks like I touched a nerve. Don't worry. You can uplift women by telling them to base their careers on handouts from their husbands. It does not sound quite as inspiring as telling them to make it on their own, but you can point to your kindred spirit, Hillary Clinton, to show them what is possible if they marry the right man and ignore serial adultry and sexual harassment of underlings.
 
BroDeal said:
Looks like I touched a nerve. Don't worry. You can uplift women by telling them to base their careers on handouts from their husbands. It does not sound quite as inspiring as telling them to make it on their own, but you can point to your kindred spirit, Hillary Clinton, to show them what is possible if they marry the right man and ignore serial adultry and sexual harassment of underlings.
Your moral righteousness is showing there Jethro.
 
BroDeal said:
Sorry to be so gauche as to mention the common man. I know it pains you and your hermitage of pseudo-intellectuals, who spend their time discussing how the average person should live, to be confronted with base reality. Try switching on the TV once and a while. Watch a popular movie. Interact with a member of the bourgeoisie. Try something to prevent yourself from being smothered by your own smugness.
This is pure projection. I'm sorry you suffer from class (and other) inferiority, but that's not my problem
 
Way to go, America! Can't even make the top 20 in the Democracy Index:

The Democracy Index analyzes 165 independent countries and two territories to show the status of regional and worldwide democracy. The index uses five criteria: electoral process and pluralism; civil liberties; the functioning of government; political participation; and political culture. Each nation is categorized across gradient levels of regimes: full democracies, flawed democracies, hybrid regimes, and authoritarian regimes.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, the most democratic countries are found in Scandinavia, with Norway, Sweden, Iceland, and Denmark occupying the first four spots on the list, and New Zealand rounding out the top five…

The U.S…ranks 21st on the list, behind such democratic bastions as Uruguay, Mauritius, and South Korea. The lowest scores Washington received were in the categories of political participation and functioning of government.
Yes, when less than half the eligible voters vote for President (and who knows how low the % is for other offices), it becomes harder to call the system a democracy. And we all know how well the government is functioning these days.
 
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Way to go, America! Can't even make the top 20 in the Democracy Index:



Yes, when less than half the eligible voters vote for President (and who knows how low the % is for other offices), it becomes harder to call the system a democracy. And we all know how well the government is functioning these days.
We could learn a lot from those Scandinavian countries; they've clearly found a formula that works. We won't, but we could.
 
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Exactly what you guys said about Obama. He had no chance against Hillary. He had no experience. He had no money. He was a light weight with a good speech. She had the entire Democratic machine behind her, all the power brokers, the big dollar sponsors, the endorsements, and yet she could not beat an upstart. Her own party rejected her.
BS. Hillary got the higher popular vote (48%-47%) in the 2008 D primaries but Obama won because he focused solely on the delegate math and not the pv. In other words, more D primary voters chose Hillary over Obama. Hardly rejected by your own party. She did not have the entire D machine - when Dodd and Edwards and Richardson dropped their candidacy they endorsed Obama. She did not have the big dollar sponsors - her campaign raised $107 million to Obama's $102 million. Obama won in the same way Bush beat Gore - he was the underdog who lost the popular vote but won via "technicality". But more Ds chose Hillary over Obama.

Look, if you think Hillary was/is "rejected" by her party, fine, that's your opinion, but reality says otherwise.

Hillary Clinton is the Palin of her party. She turns people off but her devote followers cannot come to grips with that fact.
Look dude, I get that you don't like Hillary, but even you must see that that just might be the dumbest thing that's ever been posted in this thread, and that's saying something.
 
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Exactly what you guys said about Obama. He had no chance against Hillary. He had no experience. He had no money. He was a light weight with a good speech. She had the entire Democratic machine behind her, all the power brokers, the big dollar sponsors, the endorsements, and yet she could not beat an upstart. Her own party rejected her.
'Cept Hillary did beat Obama. Obama, like Bush, won via "technicality", because he focused on the delegate count, but more D primary voters chose Hillary over Obama - Hillary very badly misjudged the delegate count and very badly underestimated the appeal of Obama, that is true, but she still won the popular vote. Hardly rejection by your own party when more of them want you to be the D nominee than the other guy.

As for the rest, complete bs - no question she was the frontrunner going in and Obama very much the underdog, but Hillary did not have the "entire D machine" behind her, or "all the power brokers", or any real advantage in funding, or any of the big endorsements - all of the other Ds candidates who dropped out (off the top of my head, Dodd, Biden, Richardson, might be one or two others) endorsed Obama, and Hillary's campaign raised $107m to Obama's $102m. And Obama was polling in second right from the beginning of the primaries - everyone knew from the beginning that Obama would be her strongest challenger, from the start it was a two-horse race. It's all just revisionist history to fit your stereotype.

Hillary Clinton is the Palin of her party. She turns people off but her devote followers cannot come to grips with that fact.
Surely even you must see how dumb that is. Among Ds in NY state - ie her constituency - Hillary's favorability is over 90% and that's after being in the political spotlight for decades. Palin was a flash in the pan who's already fallen off the national radar.
 
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Way to go, America! Can't even make the top 20 in the Democracy Index:



Yes, when less than half the eligible voters vote for President (and who knows how low the % is for other offices), it becomes harder to call the system a democracy. And we all know how well the government is functioning these days.
Look on the bright side: Mobilize that 20% and you can change the world.
 
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'Cept Hillary did beat Obama. Obama, like Bush, won via "technicality", because he focused on the delegate count, but more D primary voters chose Hillary over Obama - Hillary very badly misjudged the delegate count and very badly underestimated the appeal of Obama, that is true, but she still won the popular vote. Hardly rejection by your own party when more of them want you to be the D nominee than the other guy.

As for the rest, complete bs - no question she was the frontrunner going in and Obama very much the underdog, but Hillary did not have the "entire D machine" behind her, or "all the power brokers", or any real advantage in funding, or any of the big endorsements - all of the other Ds candidates who dropped out (off the top of my head, Dodd, Biden, Richardson, might be one or two others) endorsed Obama, and Hillary's campaign raised $107m to Obama's $102m. And Obama was polling in second right from the beginning of the primaries - everyone knew from the beginning that Obama would be her strongest challenger, from the start it was a two-horse race. It's all just revisionist history to fit your stereotype.

Surely even you must see how dumb that is. Among Ds in NY state - ie her constituency - Hillary's favorability is over 90% and that's after being in the political spotlight for decades. Palin was a flash in the pan who's already fallen off the national radar.
Bro is just waving his junk in the air to see who pays attention. :rolleyes:
 
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Even The Onion couldn't top this.

http://www.tennessean.com/viewart/20130325/NEWS02/303250057/TN-lawmakers-confuse-mop-sink-Muslim-foot-washing-sink

Building managers and legislative staffers have sought to reassure some concerned Tennessee lawmakers that recent renovations at the state Capitol did not install special facilities for Muslims to wash their feet before praying.

“I confirmed with the facility administrator for the State Capitol Complex that the floor-level sink installed in the men’s restroom outside the House Chamber is for housekeeping use,” Legislative Administration Director Connie Ridley wrote in an email. “It is, in layman’s terms, a mop sink.”"
I suppose when you fervently believe that Obama is about to unleash Sharia law throughout the country then you might also suspect that a utility sink is really a Muslim footbath.
 
VeloCity said:
'Cept Hillary did beat Obama. Obama, like Bush, won via "technicality", because he focused on the delegate count, but more D primary voters chose Hillary over Obama - Hillary very badly misjudged the delegate count and very badly underestimated the appeal of Obama, that is true, but she still won the popular vote. Hardly rejection by your own party when more of them want you to be the D nominee than the other guy.

As for the rest, complete bs - no question she was the frontrunner going in and Obama very much the underdog, but Hillary did not have the "entire D machine" behind her, or "all the power brokers", or any real advantage in funding, or any of the big endorsements - all of the other Ds candidates who dropped out (off the top of my head, Dodd, Biden, Richardson, might be one or two others) endorsed Obama, and Hillary's campaign raised $107m to Obama's $102m. And Obama was polling in second right from the beginning of the primaries - everyone knew from the beginning that Obama would be her strongest challenger, from the start it was a two-horse race. It's all just revisionist history to fit your stereotype.
Hillary didn't misjudge the delegate count, the delegate system was just set against her as Obama voting areas gave out more.delegates than Clinton ones like in Texas where Hillary got way more votes but messiah got more delegates.
 
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Way to go, America! Can't even make the top 20 in the Democracy Index:


Yes, when less than half the eligible voters vote for President (and who knows how low the % is for other offices), it becomes harder to call the system a democracy. And we all know how well the government is functioning these days.
Voter apathy isn't necessarily such a bad thing as elections producing a high turnout are often a sign of crisis.
 
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The Hitch said:
Hillary didn't misjudge the delegate count, the delegate system was just set against her as Obama voting areas gave out more.delegates than Clinton ones like in Texas where Hillary got way more votes but messiah got more delegates.
But she failed to contest many of those areas because of poor organization and overconfidence in an early knockout. She was also broke by that time and outspent by Obama by 4-1 in states after Super Tuesday - Obama won what, like 11 in a row after that or something? Their strategy was the early knockout blow and they were totally unprepared for a dragged-out battle.
 
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VeloCity said:
But she failed to contest many of those areas because of poor organization and overconfidence in an early knockout. She was also broke by that time and outspent by Obama by 4-1 in states after Super Tuesday - Obama won what, like 11 in a row after that or something? Their strategy was the early knockout blow and they were totally unprepared for a dragged-out battle.
None of this the Clinton campaign could have done anything about. This was the period where people were fainting at Obama rallies from the emotion of seeing him in the flesh. So there was no way of stopping the money he was getting.

also because the iowa caucus which was an Obama leaning election, came first Hillary was always going to be on the back foot. The campaign knew it because they considered withdrawing from iowa but decided that Obama would have gotten the boost anyway from beating edwards and from being a African American with a shot at the white house, so they decided to play it out.

also there was nothing they could do about the fact that their big presupertuesday momentum builder- Michigan- a heavy Hillary state, was declared null.

In hindsight the only thing they could have done was pull out of Iowa and tell the organization to canvass for Edwards. But that would have been a massive risk too. That or if they had found out about Edwards affair earlier.
 
And I thought conservatives wanted to simplify our tax system:

Imagine filing your income taxes in five minutes — and for free. You'd open up a pre-filled return, see what the government thinks you owe, make any needed changes and be done. The miserable annual IRS shuffle, gone.

It's already a reality in Denmark, Sweden and Spain. The government-prepared return would estimate your taxes using information your employer and bank already send it. Advocates say tens of millions of taxpayers could use such a system each year, saving them a collective $2 billion and 225 million hours in prep costs and time, according to one estimate.

The idea, known as "return-free filing," would be a voluntary alternative to hiring a tax preparer or using commercial tax software. The concept has been around for decades and has been endorsed by both President Ronald Reagan and a campaigning President Obama.

"This is not some pie-in-the-sky that's never been done before," said William Gale, co-director of the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. "It's doable, feasible, implementable, and at a relatively low cost."

So why hasn't it become a reality?

Well, for one thing, it doesn't help that it's been opposed for years by the company behind the most popular consumer tax software — Intuit, maker of TurboTax. Conservative tax activist Grover Norquist and an influential computer industry group also have fought return-free filing.
But this is my favorite part:

In 2005, Norquist testified before the President's Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform arguing against return-free filing. The next year, Norquist and others wrote in a letter to President Bush that getting an official-looking "bill" from the IRS could be "extremely intimidating, particularly for seniors, low-income and non-English speaking citizens."
Of course, because conservatives are well-known for caring so much about seniors, the poor, and people who don’t speak English. This is their natural constituency.

Another criticism:

James Maule, a professor at Villanova University School of Law, said the average taxpayer probably wouldn't scrutinize a pre-filled return for accuracy or potential credits. "Some people might get this thing that says this is your tax bill and just pay it, like with property tax bills," said Maule.
Again, this is consistent with conservative opposition to anything that might take advantage of the ignorance of the population—like voter ID requirements, maybe?
 
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And I thought conservatives wanted to simplify our tax system:



But this is my favorite part:



Of course, because conservatives are well-known for caring so much about seniors, the poor, and people who don’t speak English. This is their natural constituency.

Another criticism:



Again, this is consistent with conservative opposition to anything that might take advantage of the ignorance of the population—like voter ID requirements, maybe?
Talking points all, but some truth to it. No party is of one idea, however.

The real point is that both parties have long had their share of this stuff. I am in favor of a national sales tax or "the consumption tax." Return the moderates! And get to work. Vote in the "I" box.
 
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'bout right.

With sequestration spending cuts forcing the FAA to order the closure of air traffic control towers at smaller airports throughout the country, House Republicans are complaining. After years of doing nothing but talk about the need to cut spending, Republicans have finally started to get what they want—and it turns out they don't like it. But instead of doing the obvious thing, which would be to change their position on austerity, they're simply issuing press releases and statements about how they don't like the cuts that are taking place in their own back yard.

The problem is that their solution—to make the cuts in somebody else's back yard—isn't really a solution. It's just political spin. There is no magic wand to make spending cuts be painless and for Republicans to pretend otherwise is transparently dishonest and defies common sense.
 
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Single-payer is still the way to go, but 3 years on, the ACA is at least proving to be an improvement on the ridiculous "system" we have.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/opinion/sunday/report-card-on-health-care-reform.html?_r=0

Republican leaders in Congress regularly denounce the 2010 Affordable Care Act and vow to block money to carry it out or even to repeal it. Those political attacks ignore the considerable benefits delivered to millions of people since the law’s enactment three years ago Saturday. The main elements of the law do not kick in until Jan. 1, 2014, when many millions of uninsured people will gain coverage. Yet it has already thrown a lifeline to people at high risk of losing insurance or being uninsured, including young adults and people with chronic health problems, and it has made a start toward reforming the costly, dysfunctional American health care system.
 
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Even The Onion couldn't top this.

http://www.tennessean.com/viewart/20130325/NEWS02/303250057/TN-lawmakers-confuse-mop-sink-Muslim-foot-washing-sink

I suppose when you fervently believe that Obama is about to unleash Sharia law throughout the country then you might also suspect that a utility sink is really a Muslim footbath.
Problem being that the sink basin one could be used to seeing does not look like the one installed in the building.

Like if someone told me it was a mop sink I would have a image in my mind that it looked like a deep sink and usually is about waist high, not a sink basin on the floor.
 
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