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BroDeal said:
Not real Americans. Real Americans all think alike. The rest need to leave. They can go back to Ireland.
Good to see the vast majority here are real Americans.

The most recent surveys included a CNN/ORC International poll released last week that indicated 86% of the public supported some form of background checks that are not currently required by law for gun sales, and an ABC News/Washington Post survey released Tuesday which indicated that 86% of Americans said they favored background checks for gun sales on the internet and at gun shows.

The two new polls were also in-line with past surveys by indicating no partisan divide on the question, with the vast majority of Democrats, independents, and even Republicans supporting increased background checks. The ABC/Washington Post survey also indicated that 86% of gun owning households supported the proposal.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/17/public-opinion-gets-trumped-in-gun-control-defeat/
 
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BroDeal said:
Shut up, Meg.
I don't mind the personal insults. Keep them coming if you wish.

I just don't think a serious discussion of this issue should be dragged down to your level.
 
BroDeal said:
I know what you're saying. It is all so confusing. When a paranoid religious loon of a conservative uses a bunch of deaths to try to take away the people's Constitutionally protected rights, that's bad; but when a paranoid touchy-feely bed wetting liberal uses a bunch of deaths to try to take away the people's Constitutionally protected rights, that's good. When you think about it then it is not that confusing at all. You just have to be on the right side.
Mr Hide your argumentation is so spurious that it doesn't even bear thinking about.
 
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rhubroma said:
Mr Hide your argumentation is so spurious that it doesn't even bear thinking about.
The left has never been very good at thinking about its own hypocrisy. Thanks for proving it once again.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Yeah, well actually I didn't see that on the poll.







But then sometimes I forget how ****ing smart you are.
You inevitably descend to insult because your arguments are so baseless.
 
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This thread is a lot more fun when 9 or 10 of you guys start voicing your opinions, because then there are 12 to 14 different viewpoints to consider. Not to mention enough typos to constitute a librarian's wet dream.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
This thread is a lot more fun when 9 or 10 of you guys start voicing your opinions, because then there are 12 to 14 different viewpoints to consider. Not to mention enough typos to constitute a librarian's wet dream.
I miss wet dreams.
 
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MarkvW said:
You inevitably descend to insult because your arguments are so baseless.
Oh, I didn't realize your sensibilities were so delicate.

You made an assertion which is typical liberal talking point.

You say wealth distribution is the biggest problem facing the country. Why doesn't the general public agree with you? Like, at all.

You clearly must know something the rest of the country does not.
 
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BillytheKid said:
Hitler a fascist, proclaiming socialism. USSR proclaiming communism (socialist extremism), became fascist. The USSR did cave under cold war pressure.
MarkvW said:
That's your article of faith. The USSR's centripedal pressures eventually caught up to it.
Surely you meant centripetal? Or was this somehow a play on words that is over my head?

I like Billy's shorthand (10 words or less) descriptions of the "National Socialist" govt under hitler and the Soviet in Russia.

But I concur that they didn't really "cave under cold war pressure" - they were a victim of their own government's culture and economics more than anything else. Folks in the US, at least, I won't speak to other countries, like to point out the Reagan contribution - but we really didn't do anything effective other than stand by and hold Gorbachev's hand as he tried to update the economics of the Soviet. Which did assist the collapse, but not so directly as most folks like to think.

Couple of good books, may have been mentioned:
The Rebellion Of Ronald Reagan; James Mann
The Russia Balance Sheet; Suzanne Massie

If I recall, Massie is usually considered pretty one-sided in favor of Reagan, but offers useful insight.
 
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Oh, and gents? Put a chill on the insults. You're making your points just fine without sinking to those levels.
 
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hiero2 said:
Surely you meant centripetal? Or was this somehow a play on words that is over my head?

I like Billy's shorthand (10 words or less) descriptions of the "National Socialist" govt under hitler and the Soviet in Russia.

But I concur that they didn't really "cave under cold war pressure" - they were a victim of their own government's culture and economics more than anything else. Folks in the US, at least, I won't speak to other countries, like to point out the Reagan contribution - but we really didn't do anything effective other than stand by and hold Gorbachev's hand as he tried to update the economics of the Soviet. Which did assist the collapse, but not so directly as most folks like to think.

Couple of good books, may have been mentioned:
The Rebellion Of Ronald Reagan; James Mann
The Russia Balance Sheet; Suzanne Massie

If I recall, Massie is usually considered pretty one-sided in favor of Reagan, but offers useful insight.
Thanks for the spelling correction! I've been carrying around that bad spelling mistake for years.
 
BroDeal said:
The left has never been very good at thinking about its own hypocrisy. Thanks for proving it once again.
What hypocrisy? I have no sympathy for guns and I don't need arguments pro left, just as I don't need bizarre spin doctors from the right, to confirm that. Though on that the right is entirely acritical. Hypocrisy as such, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter.

This is entirely your problem.
 
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rhubroma said:
What hypocrisy? I have no sympathy for guns and I don't need arguments pro left, just as I don't need bizarre spin doctors from the right, to confirm that. Though on that the right is entirely acritical. Hypocrisy as such, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter.

This is entirely your problem.
Not to sure where you live as there may be some misunderstanding as to Bro Deal's referral is to the U.S. left.

Consider though, that a gun is inanimate. It is really the action of those who aim and shoot others that at the cause. Guns in the U.S. are too many now to be reigned in, and that steams from a history and geography very different from the Europe they came from. It is not, as I have already posted, too long ago that many people still use them here to hunt for the very food they needed.

Given the vast number of guns here, you would think you would here shooting all the time. Seldom heard to my ears, seldom so. What's more remarkable is, that given the sheer amount of them, what little killing there is by them.

I think could provide a link given time (which I don't have today) to show some correlation to the rise in gun violence and violent entertainment which, I will argue, is more-and-more, effecting morals, hence the temptation for the rise in mass-murder killing sprees.
 
BillytheKid said:
Not to sure where you live as there may be some misunderstanding as to Bro Deal's referral is to the U.S. left.

Consider though, that a gun is inanimate. It is really the action of those who aim and shoot others that at the cause. Guns in the U.S. are too many now to be reigned in, and that steams from a history and geography very different from the Europe they came from. It is not, as I have already posted, too long ago that many people still use them here to hunt for the very food they needed.

Given the vast number of guns here, you would think you would here shooting all the time. Seldom heard to my ears, seldom so. What's more remarkable is, that given the sheer amount of them, what little killing there is by them.

I think could provide a link given time (which I don't have today) to show some correlation to the rise in gun violence and violent entertainment which, I will argue, is more-and-more, effecting morals, hence the temptation for the rise in mass-murder killing sprees.
We have been down this road before. The appalling commercialization of guns (once again the market causes the sleep of reason to breed monsters) in the US is positively uncivil and the results are plain to see. The Far West was in itself historically condemnable, it's perpetuation reprehensible within modern Western civilization.

In my discussions with Europeans from both the left and the right, the second amendment, the NRA, the sheer quantities of firearms in the private sphere, represents that part of American culture that is simply incomprehensible to them today; especially given the self-proclamed status of the US as the beacon of civility and democracy, etc., even if they happen to be aware of all the historical baggage that accompanies the phenomenon - which most are. That many, if not most Americans, don’t see it that way, only adds to their perplexity.
 
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rhubroma said:
In my discussions with Europeans from both the left and the right, the second amendment, the NRA, the sheer quantities of firearms in the private sphere, represents that part of American culture that is simply incomprehensible to them today; especially given the self-proclamed status of the US as the beacon of civility and democracy, etc., even if they happen to be aware of all the historical baggage that accompanies the phenomenon - which most are. That many, if not most Americans, don’t see it that way, only adds to their perplexity.
This is entirely my experience with Europeans too. But as we hear time and again, real Merikans don't give a flying f what anyone else thinks about the US obsession with guns.
 
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rhubroma said:
We have been down this road before. The appalling commercialization of guns (once again the market causes the sleep of reason to breed monsters) in the US is positively uncivil and the results are plain to see. The Far West was in itself historically condemnable, it's perpetuation reprehensible within modern Western civilization.

In my discussions with Europeans from both the left and the right, the second amendment, the NRA, the sheer quantities of firearms in the private sphere, represents that part of American culture that is simply incomprehensible to them today; especially given the self-proclamed status of the US as the beacon of civility and democracy, etc., even if they happen to be aware of all the historical baggage that accompanies the phenomenon - which most are. That many, if not most Americans, don’t see it that way, only adds to their perplexity.
Not to worry. We are becoming more like Europe every day. Politically and emotionally. As we descend into a Western European model we are getting all the despair that goes along with it.

AMERICANS 'SNAPPING' BY THE MILLIONS

Terrorism. Chaos. Fear of the future. In the age of Obama, America is undergoing a “fundamental transformation” – that much everyone knows.

But what few seem to realize about this transformation is that the sheer stress of living in today’s America is driving tens of millions to the point of illness, depression and self-destruction. Consider the following trends:

Suicide has surpassed car crashes as the leading cause of injury death for Americans. Even more disturbing, in the world’s greatest military, more U.S. soldiers died last year by suicide than in combat;

Fully one-third of the nation’s employees suffer chronic debilitating stress, and more than half of all “millennials” (18 to 33 year olds) experience a level of stress that keeps them awake at night, including large numbers diagnosed with depression or anxiety disorder.

Shocking new research from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that one in five of all high-school-aged children in the United States has been diagnosed with ADHD, and likewise a large new study of New York City residents shows, sadly, that one in five preteens – children aged six to 12 – have been medically diagnosed with either ADHD, anxiety, depression or bipolar disorder;

Incredibly, 11 percent of all Americans aged 12 and older are currently taking SSRI antidepressants – those highly controversial, mood-altering psychiatric drugs with the FDA’s “suicidality” warning label and alarming correlation with school shooters. Women are especially prone to depression, with a stunning 23 percent of all American women in their 40s and 50s – almost one in four – now taking antidepressants, according to a major study by the CDC;


Add to that the tens of millions of users of all other types of psychiatric drugs, including (just to pick one) the 6.4 million American children between 4 and 17 diagnosed with ADHD and prescribed Ritalin or similar psycho-stimulants. Throw in the 28 percent of American adults with a drinking problem, that’s more than 60 million, plus the 22 million using illegal drugs like marijuana, cocaine, heroin, hallucinogens and inhalants, and pretty soon a picture emerges of a nation of drug-takers, with hundreds of millions dependent on one toxic substance or another – legal or illegal – to “help” them deal with the stresses and problems of life.

By the way, things are no better over the pond – and may be worse, according to one major study that concluded almost 40 percent of Europeans are plagued by mental illness.

There was a time when Amerikans were not too worried about what Europeans thought of us. But now that we are as crazy as Europe it's all anyone can talk about.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/americans-snapping-by-the-millions/
 
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gooner said:
There's something seriously wrong when you approve of Texas's gun laws.

I hope we get the Second Amendment over here. Britain might still invade us again tomorrow and we need armed citizens to stand up.

Give me a break.

Talk about a stone age backward constitutional amendment.
Keep on banging on it and it will get you where exactly? You can feel free to not give us any opinions on our Freedom over here ok?

The USA and Ireland may have some similarities and many Irish blooded folks found their way across the pond to relive themselves of the wonderful government on that other Island that was ruling over you. So the choice is yours stay in Ireland and enjoy it or come over to america and get your free guns.... either way have fun. :cool:
 
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gooner said:
So I take it you need your gun because you're very worried about Britain invading again.
Not so worried about Britain anymore. They are not putting Taxation without representation on us. ;)
 
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